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Tue Jul-08-08 04:22 PM
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| 15. because someone didn't like they style of Dylan's songs? |
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Far left does not always equal dogmatic.
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| -Bob Dylan broke from the old left wing because they got too stifling. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 03:48 PM |
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I remember people having a shit fit early on when he had the nerve to use |
tularetom |
Jul-08-08 03:52 PM |
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What any of that has to do with the "far left," however, remains a mystery |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 03:55 PM |
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I can see how you'd miss it.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 03:57 PM |
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I did read your post |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:23 PM |
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Since you say it's tenuous that makes it so? |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:25 PM |
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I agree. Dylan was never a real leftie, and his views have not changed much. |
speedoo |
Jul-08-08 04:32 PM |
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I remember... 1968 |
World Citizen |
Jul-08-08 03:59 PM |
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Paradigm shifts upset people. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:01 PM |
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perhaps because... |
World Citizen |
Jul-08-08 04:05 PM |
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.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:14 PM |
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That was 1965, not 68. Dylan didn't play any live shows, save for |
RandomKoolzip |
Jul-09-08 01:32 AM |
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Nothing to do with far left |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 03:54 PM |
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Well I guess left wing politics can get just as stale as |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 03:56 PM |
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Well, duh |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:22 PM |
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Not sure I understand all of what you wrote. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:24 PM |
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Folk was supposed to be about organic communities |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:46 PM |
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Could find it easier to agree with you.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:48 PM |
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it's about orthodoxy |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 04:35 PM |
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Hammer meet nail... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:36 PM |
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Irony |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 05:03 PM |
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No, not at all... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:07 PM |
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good post |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 05:17 PM |
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yer analysis is off imo |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:18 PM |
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exactly. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:24 PM |
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No, centrists aren't "fringe," |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 05:29 PM |
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Maybe if you're talking about people.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:33 PM |
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it is also |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:42 PM |
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Good point. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:44 PM |
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Thx . warm fuzzies |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:46 PM |
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Aww! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:50 PM |
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I'm talking about dogmatic groups. |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 06:35 PM |
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I certainly don't buy that people in the center are inherently more "open" |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 07:03 PM |
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The "center" is by definition... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:35 PM |
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of course it is, but it doesn't follow from that the people there are more open |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 08:56 PM |
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Words of wisdom! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 09:01 PM |
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But they are not |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:40 PM |
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No, but they are dogmatic, |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 06:35 PM |
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The center acts more out of practicality rather than ideology.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:29 PM |
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The center is not dogmatic about issues. |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 07:43 PM |
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If that's what you think.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:57 PM |
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Except that power (and its abuse) and privilege (that is unwarranted) are only on the Right. |
The Stranger |
Jul-08-08 05:13 PM |
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your joking right? |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:28 PM |
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Wrong. Not joking. |
The Stranger |
Jul-08-08 09:37 PM |
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I want to respond to this.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 10:00 PM |
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Still sounds like yer joking |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 11:31 PM |
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"Yer" still wrong. Not joking. But "liberty," huh? |
The Stranger |
Jul-09-08 09:21 AM |
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Considering that marxism has been a miserable failure |
aspergris |
Jul-09-08 11:43 AM |
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You're revealing a real ignorance when it comes to Marx. |
The Stranger |
Jul-10-08 09:07 AM |
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Bob Dylan broke from the folk elite crowd, not the left wing. |
Oregone |
Jul-08-08 04:00 PM |
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That's not what Pete Seeger and Singout! thought. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:02 PM |
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And maybe the could be the problematic thinking right there... |
Oregone |
Jul-08-08 04:15 PM |
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Pete Seeger was definitely part of the political left... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:20 PM |
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It had nothing to do with his lyrics |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:33 PM |
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The 3rd leg was content... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:43 PM |
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No... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-08-08 04:44 PM |
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I understand what you are trying to do but: Dylan is a musician, Obama is a politician |
Oregone |
Jul-08-08 04:36 PM |
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Paradigms and generational shifts.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:40 PM |
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"the left" ? perhaps the "old left", what about the |
G_j |
Jul-08-08 04:43 PM |
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Not sure what you're asking.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:46 PM |
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it seemed you were trying to show a link between the "left" of past and present |
G_j |
Jul-08-08 05:04 PM |
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It's not even about lefties.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:11 PM |
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because someone didn't like they style of Dylan's songs? |
Iris |
Jul-08-08 04:22 PM |
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It's not "style" |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:26 PM |
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Born Again |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 04:33 PM |
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Nothing rocks out more than.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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Slow Train Coming is an awesome record |
Romulox |
Jul-08-08 05:28 PM |
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Oh my god, I forgot about that line!!! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:34 PM |
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Walk Hard |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:44 PM |
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I saw footage of Dylan at Newport 1965 -- it WAS "tenth-rate drivel"... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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Did it make you feel like shouting, "Judas?" |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:41 PM |
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No, but if I'd been there, it would have made me feel like shouting... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-08-08 04:44 PM |
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oh, please. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:26 PM |
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Some in the Counterculture at that time were looking for a leader |
SidneyCarton |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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I sometimes think that the far opposite ends of the political spectrum bend toward each other. |
elocs |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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I agree.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:51 PM |
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"Ideology without practicality is useless." |
elocs |
Jul-08-08 05:03 PM |
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dylan was never political untill this election |
madrchsod |
Jul-08-08 04:50 PM |
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Any ideas on why he spoke out now? |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:52 PM |
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I have a few... |
speedoo |
Jul-08-08 05:33 PM |
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Umm - I don't know any of his songs except the everyone must get high one |
sleebarker |
Jul-08-08 05:06 PM |
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Um..you're really out of touch with what's being discussed here.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:09 PM |
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When did this board become dedicated to CONSTANT attacks on the Left??? |
Romulox |
Jul-08-08 05:23 PM |
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It's not about the left, it's about strict dogma. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:31 PM |
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Ever since DLC supporters increased in number |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Jul-08-08 09:37 PM |
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make assumptions much? |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 10:03 PM |
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Well, he's supporting Obama now. Who is hardly of the "old" or "new" left. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-08-08 05:24 PM |
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"Dylan's 1965 Newport performance provoked an outraged response from the folk music establishment. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 05:28 PM |
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Dylan was cool, but I still think Lou Reed defined Urban Poetry in Rock |
Taverner |
Jul-08-08 05:41 PM |
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Looouuuu! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:42 PM |
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Dylan made it possible for Reed to have a forum and a chance to take risks... |
mitchum |
Jul-08-08 09:57 PM |
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The story is a myth. The OP uses it to present another BS myth about "the left" |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 05:44 PM |
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I'm not "attacking the left" |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:48 PM |
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There are LOTS of dogmatic viewpoints here.... |
madfloridian |
Jul-08-08 05:54 PM |
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the story is mythological. so whatever you're trying to do based on |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:04 PM |
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Ok...got your point already. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 06:10 PM |
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the footage is online. they probably cut out all the booing, & cut in cheering. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:31 PM |
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pete seeger admitted he cried at Dylan's performance, but said he did |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 07:24 PM |
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If you want examples of Seeger and company.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:30 PM |
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You're the only one interpreting. Look at the footage. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 07:54 PM |
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dylan did an interview in sing out as late as '68. sing out printed |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 08:38 PM |
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Dylan was never a "protest singer"; he is an artist. |
David Zephyr |
Jul-08-08 05:49 PM |
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.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:51 PM |
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Exactly! |
KT2000 |
Jul-09-08 01:36 AM |
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"Hurricane" |
H2O Man |
Jul-08-08 05:51 PM |
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Hurricane is "hit-you-over-the-head" |
rucky |
Jul-08-08 06:28 PM |
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Dylan's electric set on video: yarrow asks the crowd "do you want to hear bobby do another song?" |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:46 PM |
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And you centrists are so open minded and easy going. |
stimbox |
Jul-08-08 07:32 PM |
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I find his early "protest music"to be obvious, strident, and cringe inducing... |
mitchum |
Jul-08-08 09:30 PM |
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.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 09:31 PM |
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Right on, except for the part about "inventing rock music." That's Ike Turner you're thinking of. |
RandomKoolzip |
Jul-09-08 01:35 AM |
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Ike Turner invented rockandroll... |
mitchum |
Jul-09-08 01:55 PM |
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What a pure example of blind dogmatism at work! |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-09-08 12:48 AM |
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... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 01:37 AM |
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Your response is no surprise. |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-09-08 02:47 AM |
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That was a serious rebuttal.. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:21 AM |
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I'm sure it was the very best you are capable of. Here's your sign: |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-10-08 12:11 AM |
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I think this OP misses the point entirely |
mdmc |
Jul-09-08 09:45 AM |
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So agree with me. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:20 AM |
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Well, I know Pete Seeger is over it and pretty much on board |
mdmc |
Jul-09-08 11:26 AM |
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Bob Dylan never joined the "old left", or anybody else, whatsoever. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:11 AM |
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Never said he "joined" anything. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:21 AM |
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He never "broke with" them either, he never gave a shit what they thought. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:50 AM |
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Am I going to have to get my Dylan books out? |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:53 AM |
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Yes, do. Inundate me with knowledge. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:56 AM |
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It's Halloween, and I've got my Bob Dylan mask on. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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Tell me what Dylan said or shutup. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:52 PM |
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I explained my point sufficiently |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:58 PM |
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That's all very well, you are welcome to your point, but it is not my point. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:02 PM |
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Well I guess that's right... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 11:03 PM |
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It's an old story, more to do with egos than left-right politics. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:09 PM |
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Right, orthodoxies... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 11:11 PM |
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Rigid. Simple minded. Inflexible. Conservative even. nt |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:13 PM |
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That can come from either side... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 11:16 PM |
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Do you remember "Do your own thing?" |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:29 PM |
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And Your Point Is ...? |
Crisco |
Jul-09-08 11:32 AM |
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Orthodoxy.. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
#125 |
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you're the one who is calling for "Orthodoxy" |
mix |
Jul-09-08 11:17 PM |
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he doesn't have one. the incident was fictional, & his vision of some |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-09-08 09:32 PM |
#126 |
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why not attack McCain & the Right |
mix |
Jul-09-08 11:05 PM |
#131 |
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Evidently, you know very little about Bob Dylan |
Joe Fields |
Jul-10-08 12:16 AM |
#139 |
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