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Tue Jul-08-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #9 |
| 12. And maybe the could be the problematic thinking right there... |
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Associating those folk people as the political left. Wasn't the political left so much more than some musical movement? You think Dylan, an artist, wanted to be confined in a political box (which demeans his art and existence as nothing but a dogmatic expression of political thought)? You notice how Dylan only played at a single "political" event in his entire career, which was not announced and done in as little political manner as possible (an event regarding civil rights)?
I honestly didn't think that man wanted a damn thing to do with politics. He says he wrote songs because they needed to be sung. There were words, ideas, and images in his head (like a big painting), and he just got them out there for the world (Like Visions of Johanna, for example, which is a verbal masterpiece, similar to a painting that evokes emotion without grounds). I'm finally in his corner regarding this. I honestly don't think he was trying to change the world...he was merely expressing these songs he had inside him. And something else Ive finally come to realize...not all his songs mean something or tell any kind of coherent story. They are words, ideas and concepts arranged from his mental palette just as a painter arranges their colors on a canvass.
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| -Bob Dylan broke from the old left wing because they got too stifling. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 03:48 PM |
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I remember people having a shit fit early on when he had the nerve to use |
tularetom |
Jul-08-08 03:52 PM |
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What any of that has to do with the "far left," however, remains a mystery |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 03:55 PM |
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I can see how you'd miss it.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 03:57 PM |
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I did read your post |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:23 PM |
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Since you say it's tenuous that makes it so? |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:25 PM |
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I agree. Dylan was never a real leftie, and his views have not changed much. |
speedoo |
Jul-08-08 04:32 PM |
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I remember... 1968 |
World Citizen |
Jul-08-08 03:59 PM |
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Paradigm shifts upset people. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:01 PM |
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perhaps because... |
World Citizen |
Jul-08-08 04:05 PM |
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.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:14 PM |
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That was 1965, not 68. Dylan didn't play any live shows, save for |
RandomKoolzip |
Jul-09-08 01:32 AM |
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Nothing to do with far left |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 03:54 PM |
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Well I guess left wing politics can get just as stale as |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 03:56 PM |
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Well, duh |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:22 PM |
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Not sure I understand all of what you wrote. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:24 PM |
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Folk was supposed to be about organic communities |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:46 PM |
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Could find it easier to agree with you.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:48 PM |
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it's about orthodoxy |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 04:35 PM |
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Hammer meet nail... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:36 PM |
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Irony |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 05:03 PM |
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No, not at all... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:07 PM |
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good post |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 05:17 PM |
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yer analysis is off imo |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:18 PM |
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exactly. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:24 PM |
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No, centrists aren't "fringe," |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 05:29 PM |
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Maybe if you're talking about people.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:33 PM |
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it is also |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:42 PM |
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Good point. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:44 PM |
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Thx . warm fuzzies |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:46 PM |
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Aww! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:50 PM |
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I'm talking about dogmatic groups. |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 06:35 PM |
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I certainly don't buy that people in the center are inherently more "open" |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 07:03 PM |
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The "center" is by definition... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:35 PM |
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of course it is, but it doesn't follow from that the people there are more open |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 08:56 PM |
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Words of wisdom! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 09:01 PM |
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But they are not |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:40 PM |
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No, but they are dogmatic, |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 06:35 PM |
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The center acts more out of practicality rather than ideology.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:29 PM |
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The center is not dogmatic about issues. |
LWolf |
Jul-08-08 07:43 PM |
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If that's what you think.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:57 PM |
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Except that power (and its abuse) and privilege (that is unwarranted) are only on the Right. |
The Stranger |
Jul-08-08 05:13 PM |
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your joking right? |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:28 PM |
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Wrong. Not joking. |
The Stranger |
Jul-08-08 09:37 PM |
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I want to respond to this.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 10:00 PM |
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Still sounds like yer joking |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 11:31 PM |
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"Yer" still wrong. Not joking. But "liberty," huh? |
The Stranger |
Jul-09-08 09:21 AM |
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Considering that marxism has been a miserable failure |
aspergris |
Jul-09-08 11:43 AM |
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You're revealing a real ignorance when it comes to Marx. |
The Stranger |
Jul-10-08 09:07 AM |
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Bob Dylan broke from the folk elite crowd, not the left wing. |
Oregone |
Jul-08-08 04:00 PM |
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That's not what Pete Seeger and Singout! thought. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:02 PM |
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And maybe the could be the problematic thinking right there... |
Oregone |
Jul-08-08 04:15 PM |
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Pete Seeger was definitely part of the political left... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:20 PM |
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It had nothing to do with his lyrics |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-08-08 04:33 PM |
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The 3rd leg was content... |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:43 PM |
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No... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-08-08 04:44 PM |
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I understand what you are trying to do but: Dylan is a musician, Obama is a politician |
Oregone |
Jul-08-08 04:36 PM |
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Paradigms and generational shifts.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:40 PM |
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"the left" ? perhaps the "old left", what about the |
G_j |
Jul-08-08 04:43 PM |
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Not sure what you're asking.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:46 PM |
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it seemed you were trying to show a link between the "left" of past and present |
G_j |
Jul-08-08 05:04 PM |
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It's not even about lefties.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:11 PM |
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because someone didn't like they style of Dylan's songs? |
Iris |
Jul-08-08 04:22 PM |
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It's not "style" |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:26 PM |
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Born Again |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 04:33 PM |
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Nothing rocks out more than.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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Slow Train Coming is an awesome record |
Romulox |
Jul-08-08 05:28 PM |
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Oh my god, I forgot about that line!!! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:34 PM |
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Walk Hard |
aspergris |
Jul-08-08 05:44 PM |
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I saw footage of Dylan at Newport 1965 -- it WAS "tenth-rate drivel"... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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Did it make you feel like shouting, "Judas?" |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:41 PM |
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No, but if I'd been there, it would have made me feel like shouting... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-08-08 04:44 PM |
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oh, please. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:26 PM |
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Some in the Counterculture at that time were looking for a leader |
SidneyCarton |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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I sometimes think that the far opposite ends of the political spectrum bend toward each other. |
elocs |
Jul-08-08 04:37 PM |
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I agree.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:51 PM |
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"Ideology without practicality is useless." |
elocs |
Jul-08-08 05:03 PM |
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dylan was never political untill this election |
madrchsod |
Jul-08-08 04:50 PM |
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Any ideas on why he spoke out now? |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 04:52 PM |
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I have a few... |
speedoo |
Jul-08-08 05:33 PM |
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Umm - I don't know any of his songs except the everyone must get high one |
sleebarker |
Jul-08-08 05:06 PM |
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Um..you're really out of touch with what's being discussed here.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:09 PM |
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When did this board become dedicated to CONSTANT attacks on the Left??? |
Romulox |
Jul-08-08 05:23 PM |
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It's not about the left, it's about strict dogma. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:31 PM |
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Ever since DLC supporters increased in number |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Jul-08-08 09:37 PM |
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make assumptions much? |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 10:03 PM |
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Well, he's supporting Obama now. Who is hardly of the "old" or "new" left. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jul-08-08 05:24 PM |
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"Dylan's 1965 Newport performance provoked an outraged response from the folk music establishment. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 05:28 PM |
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Dylan was cool, but I still think Lou Reed defined Urban Poetry in Rock |
Taverner |
Jul-08-08 05:41 PM |
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Looouuuu! |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:42 PM |
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Dylan made it possible for Reed to have a forum and a chance to take risks... |
mitchum |
Jul-08-08 09:57 PM |
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The story is a myth. The OP uses it to present another BS myth about "the left" |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 05:44 PM |
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I'm not "attacking the left" |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:48 PM |
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There are LOTS of dogmatic viewpoints here.... |
madfloridian |
Jul-08-08 05:54 PM |
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the story is mythological. so whatever you're trying to do based on |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:04 PM |
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Ok...got your point already. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 06:10 PM |
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the footage is online. they probably cut out all the booing, & cut in cheering. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:31 PM |
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pete seeger admitted he cried at Dylan's performance, but said he did |
fishwax |
Jul-08-08 07:24 PM |
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If you want examples of Seeger and company.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 07:30 PM |
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You're the only one interpreting. Look at the footage. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 07:54 PM |
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dylan did an interview in sing out as late as '68. sing out printed |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 08:38 PM |
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Dylan was never a "protest singer"; he is an artist. |
David Zephyr |
Jul-08-08 05:49 PM |
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.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 05:51 PM |
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Exactly! |
KT2000 |
Jul-09-08 01:36 AM |
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"Hurricane" |
H2O Man |
Jul-08-08 05:51 PM |
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Hurricane is "hit-you-over-the-head" |
rucky |
Jul-08-08 06:28 PM |
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Dylan's electric set on video: yarrow asks the crowd "do you want to hear bobby do another song?" |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 06:46 PM |
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And you centrists are so open minded and easy going. |
stimbox |
Jul-08-08 07:32 PM |
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I find his early "protest music"to be obvious, strident, and cringe inducing... |
mitchum |
Jul-08-08 09:30 PM |
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.. |
skooooo |
Jul-08-08 09:31 PM |
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Right on, except for the part about "inventing rock music." That's Ike Turner you're thinking of. |
RandomKoolzip |
Jul-09-08 01:35 AM |
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Ike Turner invented rockandroll... |
mitchum |
Jul-09-08 01:55 PM |
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What a pure example of blind dogmatism at work! |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-09-08 12:48 AM |
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... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 01:37 AM |
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Your response is no surprise. |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-09-08 02:47 AM |
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That was a serious rebuttal.. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:21 AM |
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I'm sure it was the very best you are capable of. Here's your sign: |
ConsAreLiars |
Jul-10-08 12:11 AM |
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I think this OP misses the point entirely |
mdmc |
Jul-09-08 09:45 AM |
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So agree with me. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:20 AM |
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Well, I know Pete Seeger is over it and pretty much on board |
mdmc |
Jul-09-08 11:26 AM |
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Bob Dylan never joined the "old left", or anybody else, whatsoever. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:11 AM |
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Never said he "joined" anything. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:21 AM |
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He never "broke with" them either, he never gave a shit what they thought. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:50 AM |
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Am I going to have to get my Dylan books out? |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:53 AM |
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Yes, do. Inundate me with knowledge. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:56 AM |
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It's Halloween, and I've got my Bob Dylan mask on. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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Tell me what Dylan said or shutup. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 10:52 PM |
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I explained my point sufficiently |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 10:58 PM |
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That's all very well, you are welcome to your point, but it is not my point. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:02 PM |
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Well I guess that's right... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 11:03 PM |
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It's an old story, more to do with egos than left-right politics. |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:09 PM |
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Right, orthodoxies... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 11:11 PM |
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Rigid. Simple minded. Inflexible. Conservative even. nt |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:13 PM |
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That can come from either side... |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 11:16 PM |
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Do you remember "Do your own thing?" |
bemildred |
Jul-09-08 11:29 PM |
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And Your Point Is ...? |
Crisco |
Jul-09-08 11:32 AM |
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Orthodoxy.. |
skooooo |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
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you're the one who is calling for "Orthodoxy" |
mix |
Jul-09-08 11:17 PM |
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he doesn't have one. the incident was fictional, & his vision of some |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-09-08 09:32 PM |
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why not attack McCain & the Right |
mix |
Jul-09-08 11:05 PM |
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Evidently, you know very little about Bob Dylan |
Joe Fields |
Jul-10-08 12:16 AM |
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