marmar
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Tue Jul-08-08 08:38 AM
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| 12. Corporations know allegiance to no flag, just to the almighty dollar, or euro, or yen, or pound..... |
| -U.S. based oil corps are exporting record amounts of gasoline |
SHRED |
Jul-08-08 07:23 AM |
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It's Almost Funny |
atreides1 |
Jul-08-08 07:26 AM |
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The joke is on all Americans, especially the ones still supporting the vast criminal enterprise |
indepat |
Jul-08-08 09:17 AM |
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But we need to destroy all our national parks and wilderness areas |
fasttense |
Jul-08-08 07:27 AM |
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amazing |
carlyhippy |
Jul-08-08 07:31 AM |
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Oil corporations are not beholen to the USA |
SHRED |
Jul-08-08 07:36 AM |
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and what do we get as a country for this oil which is being pumped out from under us? |
bullimiami |
Jul-08-08 07:51 AM |
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not just oil but refined oil...gas, diesel, etc... |
SHRED |
Jul-08-08 07:59 AM |
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Remember "refinery capacity" |
SHRED |
Jul-08-08 07:59 AM |
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That's the whole point, and a good one. |
Lasher |
Jul-08-08 08:37 AM |
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Gods - it reminds me of histories I've read about the potato crop failure in Ireland |
LibertyLover |
Jul-08-08 08:01 AM |
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Ireland's economy was run for the benefit of foreign investors...sound familiar? nt |
Romulox |
Jul-08-08 08:03 AM |
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Free trade means that we compete with people outside the US |
Romulox |
Jul-08-08 08:02 AM |
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Corporations know allegiance to no flag, just to the almighty dollar, or euro, or yen, or pound..... |
marmar |
Jul-08-08 08:38 AM |
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What a batch of juvenile BS. What part of "CONTRACT" don't you understand? |
sourmilk |
Jul-08-08 08:51 AM |
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So, why were the contracts to ship abroad made in the first place? |
eridani |
Jul-08-08 08:57 AM |
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For a country who praises the free market, above all else... |
sourmilk |
Jul-08-08 09:25 AM |
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Most of us poor saps who just live here prefer regulated markets |
eridani |
Jul-08-08 08:36 PM |
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Uh... |
Gilligan |
Jul-08-08 10:30 AM |
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The US doesn't get 70% of Canadian production. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 03:35 PM |
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"BY INTERNATIONAL LAW" -- wrong |
HamdenRice |
Jul-09-08 05:54 AM |
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Well, gee, we were HOPING that was the reason! |
Buns_of_Fire |
Jul-10-08 06:44 AM |
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So how do we achieve energy Independence? |
spin |
Jul-08-08 10:47 AM |
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We ship oil and gas to China and India, then use THEM as an excuse |
paparush |
Jul-08-08 10:57 AM |
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there are probably a lot of countries that don't have oil refineries to make their own gasoline... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-08-08 10:53 AM |
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When they are claiming that they don't have enough refining capacity to provide for us? |
Hydra |
Jul-08-08 10:56 AM |
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there are probably contracts and international agreements to be honored... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-08-08 11:07 AM |
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If contracts were a problem |
Hydra |
Jul-08-08 11:12 AM |
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if a certain amount of refining capacity is contractually comitted to making gasoline for export... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-08-08 11:18 AM |
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Why would they sell it as a percentage? |
Hydra |
Jul-08-08 11:25 AM |
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how many of those "THOUSANDS of unused approved drilling rights" ... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-08-08 01:50 PM |
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Here you go |
Hydra |
Jul-08-08 02:05 PM |
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here i go what...? |
QuestionAll |
Jul-08-08 02:30 PM |
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My bad |
Hydra |
Jul-08-08 02:46 PM |
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here's the numbers. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-09-08 05:41 AM |
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what is the historical average for refinery output in the u.s....? |
QuestionAll |
Jul-09-08 08:46 AM |
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you can crunch the numbers to get the historical average for a given |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-09-08 01:06 PM |
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capacity has also increased in that time frame- |
QuestionAll |
Jul-09-08 01:46 PM |
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not sure what your point is. mine is: we keep hearing stories about maxed |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-09-08 02:07 PM |
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running at about 90% could very well be "maxed out"... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-09-08 04:28 PM |
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"could be," but it's not. check the history. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-09-08 10:08 PM |
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how long is "a while", and what do you consider to be "on the low side"...? |
QuestionAll |
Jul-09-08 10:21 PM |
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The story I read in the media is refining capacity is tight. However, |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-10-08 12:45 AM |
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so- you look at one small part of the overall picture, and make your own interpretations... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-10-08 06:20 AM |
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in '04 it's above the 90% line, about 92%. in 07, it's below the line, |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-10-08 11:38 AM |
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you've already decided what you're going to believe, facts be damned. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-10-08 04:31 PM |
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that's ironic. the media tells us refining capacity is tight, the industry's |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-10-08 04:49 PM |
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the data tells YOU it's not.... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-10-08 05:02 PM |
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You're apparently mathematically challenged, then. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-10-08 09:21 PM |
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those numbers are one small piece of the overall picture- why are you so fixated on them? |
QuestionAll |
Jul-10-08 10:17 PM |
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This started with another poster saying weve been told refining capacity is tight, |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-11-08 12:59 AM |
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the numbers you introduced show no such thing except in your opinion... |
QuestionAll |
Jul-11-08 01:32 AM |
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i know what capacity utilization means; you apparently don't, since |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-11-08 02:02 AM |
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This might help you: |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-11-08 02:39 AM |
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You know, we could have used some of those exports... |
Hydra |
Jul-08-08 10:54 AM |
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nationalize it, all of it. |
robinlynne |
Jul-08-08 12:45 PM |
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I noticed the jump in exports in the numbers just last week: |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-08-08 01:12 PM |
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Someone explain how these companies are not out to destroy the US.nt |
windoe |
Jul-08-08 01:33 PM |
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most parasites know better than to kill the host. |
QuestionAll |
Jul-08-08 02:31 PM |
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There is no shortage! That's not why the price is so high. |
liberalla |
Jul-09-08 04:57 AM |
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Depends on what you mean by "shortage" |
Terry in Austin |
Jul-11-08 12:03 AM |
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Oil costs much more in Europe. Of course they want to ship it. |
McCamy Taylor |
Jul-09-08 05:07 AM |
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European exports are up too. Isn't that odd? |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-09-08 11:06 PM |
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Exporting diesel too? The truckers and snowbirds are going to love that...NOT! |
Truth4Justice |
Jul-09-08 05:51 AM |
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This fact alone should be enough to cause a revolution. |
lonestarnot |
Jul-09-08 10:24 PM |
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I just sent that article far and wide. |
alfredo |
Jul-09-08 11:32 PM |
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My letter to the editor |
alfredo |
Jul-10-08 12:12 AM |
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You might want to check out refinery capacity utilization & profit |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-10-08 12:50 AM |
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I'll do that in the morning. It's pushing 2 AM here. |
alfredo |
Jul-10-08 12:54 AM |
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Last Night's "Investor's Newsletter" |
KharmaTrain |
Jul-10-08 07:07 AM |
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when $$$ trump patriotism |
Supersedeas |
Jul-10-08 10:52 PM |
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Gah... |
reprehensor |
Jul-11-08 01:52 AM |
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