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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 01:20 PM
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14. While understanding the Mail is biased this kneejerk anti-kneejerk is also
Edited on Mon Jul-07-08 01:24 PM by dmallind
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2821,n,n
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=87997...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/uk-world-... /
http://www.congletonguardian.co.uk/uk_national_news/319... /

It's not that the Mail won't impose its own rightward slant on things, but the chance of them flat out making something up, especially something on multiple news wires apparently originating with the Press Association, is low.

This without a doubt happened.

Without a likely doubt the detention was intended for refusing to do what a teacher directed rather than any imposition of Islam. The UK does not have the same fervor for rugged individualism as the US, especially for the young.

i would have received detention in my own British school had I refused to participate in class. It's not imposition of religion but imposition of discipline, or obedience if you prefer.

Was the school at the least shortsighted and silly in doing this? Yes. Potentially stupid and venal. Was it a sign of a special status for Islam or the upcoming Shari'a in Britain? Psshaw!BUT it was not some false canard made up by vicious rightwing screed writers attempting to sabotage multiculturalism in the UK either. It was kids not doing something silly even when the teacher said they had to. Nothing more or less
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  -Schoolboys punished...for refusing to kneel in class and pray to Allah Phx_Dem  Jul-07-08 12:55 PM   #0 
  - Hmm . . "Mail On Sunday" . . . could that be the Daily Mail, perhaps?  hatrack   Jul-07-08 12:57 PM   #1 
  - I'm all for exposing kids to new things, but this crosses the line.  MercutioATC   Jul-07-08 12:57 PM   #2 
  - Forget giving them an American coin.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-07-08 12:59 PM   #7 
     - You're preaching to the choir there...and with the Pledge of Alleigance...  MercutioATC   Jul-07-08 01:02 PM   #8 
     - There are many forms of religion.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-07-08 01:11 PM   #12 
     - Wonderful quote from Mark Twain RE: "In God We Trust"  Krashkopf   Jul-07-08 03:08 PM   #30 
  - oy  mikelgb   Jul-07-08 12:57 PM   #3 
  - This would piss me off also- but then I don't live in the UK  Marrah_G   Jul-07-08 12:57 PM   #4 
  - I do. And I work in primary schools. And this is not part of educational practice here.  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 03:06 PM   #29 
     - Ahhh ... I understand. I had no idea the paper was one of "those"  Marrah_G   Jul-07-08 03:35 PM   #31 
  - Accepts story at face value.  Bornaginhooligan   Jul-07-08 12:58 PM   #5 
  - Daily Mail!  Book Lover   Jul-07-08 12:59 PM   #6 
  - thanks for the info  Phx_Dem   Jul-07-08 01:06 PM   #9 
     - You are very welcome  Book Lover   Jul-07-08 01:11 PM   #11 
     - Thanks for pointing this out to those of us who missed baby_mouse's post!  Judi Lynn   Jul-07-08 04:03 PM   #34 
     - Most of them are worthless.  baby_mouse   Jul-07-08 02:56 PM   #27 
  - Same thing happened to me and many others in parochial school.  Cleita   Jul-07-08 01:07 PM   #10 
  - your parent s chose, and paid for, that school  dsc   Jul-07-08 01:46 PM   #20 
     - Oh, I don't disagree. Just saying. n/t  Cleita   Jul-07-08 01:51 PM   #22 
  - Oh those MAH-slims! I hear that they make pita bread with the blood of Christian babies!  devilgrrl   Jul-07-08 01:13 PM   #13 
  - *sigh* If schools would keep ALL the religious claptrap out of the classroom,  HypnoToad   Jul-07-08 01:20 PM   # 
  - Not *all* pastors.. not by a long shot n/t  Fumesucker   Jul-07-08 02:04 PM   #25 
  - Actually,  verges   Jul-07-08 04:06 PM   #35 
     - The fact that religion is such a big part  awoke_in_2003   Jul-07-08 05:26 PM   #41 
        - Ah, I see...  verges   Jul-07-08 08:17 PM   #53 
           - "Religion is STILL a very strong driving force in mankind"  awoke_in_2003   Jul-07-08 08:26 PM   #55 
  - While understanding the Mail is biased this kneejerk anti-kneejerk is also  dmallind   Jul-07-08 01:20 PM   #14 
  - What's really sad  aspergris   Jul-07-08 01:38 PM   #17 
  - First of all, do NOT believe this story without proof! See my other post.  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 02:03 PM   #24 
     - First of all  aspergris   Jul-07-08 02:22 PM   #26 
        - None of the other sources is a big independent journal  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 03:02 PM   #28 
           - nobody denies  aspergris   Jul-07-08 03:47 PM   #32 
           - You are assuming that the 'multiple sources' are independent.  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 05:23 PM   #40 
              - Not really  aspergris   Jul-07-08 05:34 PM   #42 
                 - OK - fair enough - it's just that right at the moment there seems to be an epidemic of articles in  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 05:48 PM   #45 
                    - I think to some extent it's true  aspergris   Jul-07-08 05:52 PM   #46 
                       - Well, I personally wouldn't go by reason.com...  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 06:43 PM   #47 
                          - I prefer diversity  aspergris   Jul-07-08 07:02 PM   #48 
                             - I will read anything...  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 08:23 PM   #54 
                                - I don't really see this as relevant  aspergris   Jul-07-08 08:43 PM   #58 
           - Origin of the story is the local Congleton Chronicle  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-07-08 03:56 PM   #33 
              - Mmm. I wouldn't totally trust a local paper on such things either...  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 05:14 PM   #37 
                 - The story only ever blames the teacher  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-07-08 05:21 PM   #38 
                    - OK - I don't doubt that the complaint was made.  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 05:44 PM   #43 
  - It may not be made up outright....  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 01:59 PM   #23 
  - oh yeah, like I believe that  Lex   Jul-07-08 01:22 PM   #15 
  - Good thing they weren't teaching what they do to chickens in Santeria  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-07-08 01:25 PM   #16 
  - Sublime agaiN!!!  aspergris   Jul-07-08 01:39 PM   #18 
  - "Outaged", check. Muslims, check. "Forcing", check. Check, check, check, check, check.  Bluebear   Jul-07-08 01:41 PM   #19 
  - This is the same paper that brought  Gilligan   Jul-07-08 01:47 PM   #21 
  - Let Me Guess: More BS to Stir Anti-Muh-slim Sentiment  fascisthunter   Jul-07-08 04:09 PM   #36 
  - This is what the Christian Coalition wants, isn't it?  Radical Activist   Jul-07-08 05:22 PM   #39 
  - Daily Mail story -- BUT ALSO it was just a class exercise-- why did the kids refuse?  Overseas   Jul-07-08 05:47 PM   #44 
  - Atheism is far more prevalent in the UK than the US  Fumesucker   Jul-07-08 07:40 PM   #49 
  - Are kids who refuse to recite the Pledge of Allegiance "ultra purist fundamentalists" ?  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-07-08 07:52 PM   #50 
  - Thank you for saying it better than I can  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Jul-08-08 12:06 AM   #62 
  - I can understand not wanting to say a prayer of another religion...  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 08:37 PM   #57 
  - Because nobody should have to either  Codeine   Jul-07-08 08:49 PM   #59 
  - And I would get detention for not doing class exercises as well  Malikshah   Jul-07-08 07:54 PM   #51 
  - The Daily Mail is a rag, but dismissing the entire story as "bullshit" does the left no favors  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-07-08 07:59 PM   #52 
  - This would have more validity...  LeftishBrit   Jul-07-08 08:32 PM   #56 
  - Hostility to immigrants is an almost universal human trait..  Fumesucker   Jul-07-08 08:55 PM   #60 
  - Is the Telegraph a rag also?  Retired AF Dem   Jul-08-08 05:58 PM   #64 
     - Yeah this is kind of my point  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-08-08 06:36 PM   #66 
     - If four right-wing talkshows and Fox News all reported examples of 'welfare cheating'...  LeftishBrit   Jul-09-08 02:49 AM   #68 
     - Not a 'rag' like the Daily Mail; but extremely right-wing  LeftishBrit   Jul-09-08 02:35 AM   #67 
        - Here are some comments on the Telegraph and other papers, from the thread mainly on the Daily Mail  LeftishBrit   Jul-09-08 04:11 AM   #69 
  - This is obiviously just another part of the Daily Mail's attack  deaniac21   Jul-07-08 09:07 PM   #61 
  - Slight update..  LeftishBrit   Jul-08-08 04:58 PM   #63 
     - thanks for the update. nt  Phx_Dem   Jul-08-08 06:33 PM   #65 
 

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