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Mon Jun-30-08 01:37 AM
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| 16. I agree, and would only tweak a bit what you say about it being emotion |
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Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:50 AM by checks-n-balances
I agree that usually empathy involves our emotions, but sometimes it acts more as an attitude or belief. When it's ingrained into our thinking as a WAY OF LIFE, it doesn't always have to rely on a feeling. Sometimes we're too tired or too overwhelmed to have those feelings, but we can call upon an ingrained habit of seeing things a certain way (the way of empathy) when it's needed.
Generally speaking, our parents didn't always feel positive emotions towards us (the same for those of us who have children now), but their attitude and commitment of love carried them (and their children) through the times when they didn't have the feeling. The general way they approached their children was grounded in their commitments and steadfastness.
Kind of like understanding what it means to be a Democrat, which IMHO is built upon the ability to empathize.
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| -Empathy as the Source of Morality |
Time for change |
Jun-29-08 09:00 PM |
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Great post. |
sammythecat |
Jun-29-08 09:09 PM |
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Thank you. |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 11:18 AM |
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a person without empathy is no one I want to know. I love this post. thank you. |
roguevalley |
Jun-30-08 03:56 PM |
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You have touched upon a key issue |
randr |
Jun-29-08 09:18 PM |
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I agree, and would only tweak a bit what you say about it being emotion |
checks-n-balances |
Jun-30-08 01:37 AM |
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I completely agree with your addition to this great thesis |
tavalon |
Jun-30-08 04:53 AM |
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Very important point IMO |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:09 PM |
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“Our empathy for each other is our greatest asset” |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 10:05 AM |
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Difference between liberals and conservatives |
azygous |
Jun-30-08 10:21 AM |
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I find that your comment |
volstork |
Jul-01-08 05:25 PM |
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Excellent post... I related to every word of it. |
alittlelark |
Jun-29-08 09:46 PM |
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Thank you. |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 12:01 PM |
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Simpler than that ... see my tagline for details n/t |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-29-08 09:58 PM |
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It makes sense because empathy.. |
Triana |
Jun-29-08 10:04 PM |
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What you say here reminds me very much of a book that I’ve posted about 3 times |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 12:32 PM |
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K&R n/t |
Wiley50 |
Jun-29-08 10:29 PM |
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Thank you... |
nankerphelge |
Jun-29-08 10:35 PM |
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Yes – No question that most people have at least some empathy for animals |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:25 PM |
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Exactly |
FiveGoodMen |
Jun-29-08 10:42 PM |
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Thank you. |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:52 PM |
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I think you touched on something important there |
tkmorris |
Jun-29-08 10:57 PM |
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Selective empathy |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 01:00 PM |
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morality empathy and those without this function |
undergroundpanther |
Jun-29-08 11:19 PM |
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Psychopathy |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 01:28 PM |
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Golden Rule |
djp2 |
Jun-30-08 12:01 AM |
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actually the Golden Rule is basic common courtesy n/t |
Skittles |
Jun-30-08 01:21 AM |
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And the basis for *many* religions |
FloridaJudy |
Jun-30-08 01:59 AM |
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you don't need religion to practice common courtesy n/t |
Skittles |
Jun-30-08 02:35 AM |
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The Golden Rule is NOT the Basis for Christianity |
Midwest_Doc |
Jun-30-08 09:07 AM |
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Many Christians don't believe in "the Trinity", at least not in the Catholic sense...nt |
Romulox |
Jun-30-08 10:17 AM |
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Indeed that is the case |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-30-08 11:25 AM |
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I stand corrected |
Midwest_Doc |
Jun-30-08 11:32 AM |
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I think that the Golden Rule captures the essence of empathy in action |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 02:08 PM |
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The Golden Rule and World Religions |
Greyskye |
Jun-30-08 04:16 PM |
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Thank you! |
FloridaJudy |
Jul-01-08 06:20 AM |
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self delete - dupe |
FloridaJudy |
Jul-01-08 06:20 AM |
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I think it's even more easily summed up between empathy and fear |
Connonym |
Jun-30-08 01:11 AM |
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Yes, there is no such thing as forced morality |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:42 PM |
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Excellent post |
FloridaJudy |
Jun-30-08 01:20 AM |
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Thank you – I’ve thought and read a lot about this subject, yet |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 02:36 PM |
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Have you perchance considered what some other passingly bright folks thought about it? |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-30-08 01:32 AM |
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Yes -- I've read some of the works of all those people |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 03:25 PM |
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For some of us, |
snot |
Jun-30-08 02:31 AM |
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That sounds good to me. |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:33 PM |
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thanks. |
snot |
Jul-01-08 11:31 PM |
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K & R. |
greyhound1966 |
Jun-30-08 03:00 AM |
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In the Southern Baptist church I went to as a teenager (my grandparents made me) |
tavalon |
Jun-30-08 04:50 AM |
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Wow, there is so much here! |
tavalon |
Jun-30-08 05:01 AM |
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Interesting points about macrocosm and microcosm |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 05:37 PM |
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Conservatives might be basically brain-damaged |
eridani |
Jun-30-08 06:05 AM |
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Yeah, I think that’s true |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:44 PM |
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They're called "mirror neurons" |
FloridaJudy |
Jul-01-08 06:29 AM |
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Thank you for this... |
TwoSparkles |
Jul-01-08 10:50 AM |
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heh |
kitfalbo |
Jun-30-08 07:26 AM |
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Tell your colleague to give himself a pat on the back for being so righteous! |
mnhtnbb |
Jun-30-08 10:43 AM |
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Excellent post. It is empathy that sociopaths like B*sh and Bundy lack. |
BrklynLib at work |
Jun-30-08 08:05 AM |
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Thank you. Yes, it’s a terrible shame that such a man received enough votes in |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 06:20 PM |
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Could not have said better than you did. |
BrklynLib at work |
Jul-01-08 07:41 AM |
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Thanks for posting |
Echo In Light |
Jun-30-08 08:07 AM |
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Excellent and well-thought post |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-30-08 08:13 AM |
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Thank you for your insights on this based on your experiences |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 07:05 PM |
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There is a general lack of empathy |
LWolf |
Jun-30-08 09:31 AM |
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I think that has a lot to do with lack of leadership |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:53 PM |
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I think it has to do with mass media marketing campaigns, as well. n/t |
LWolf |
Jun-30-08 09:06 PM |
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Yes, that too |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 09:16 PM |
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You have to know what it's like.. |
ananda |
Jun-30-08 09:33 AM |
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Amen, sister. |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Jun-30-08 03:19 PM |
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Yes, and you don’t have to actually personally experience all those things to |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 08:55 PM |
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Not necessarily--sometimes people who have not experienced a hardship |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-01-08 11:31 AM |
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"The greatest evils in the world are the absence of empathy and the persistence of ignorance" |
Political Heretic |
Jun-30-08 10:52 AM |
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Profound, as all your essays always are, for each epitomizes critical thought given to an |
indepat |
Jun-30-08 10:52 AM |
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Thank you so much |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 07:31 PM |
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Moral Relativism. |
gorfle |
Jun-30-08 11:30 AM |
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I do not advocate moral relativism |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 07:56 PM |
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Excellent and thank you n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-30-08 01:44 PM |
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Believe it or not I disagree. |
sui generis |
Jun-30-08 02:21 PM |
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Anyone who has had a dog |
argeec |
Jun-30-08 03:34 PM |
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EXACTLY. What differentiates us from dogs is our ability to reason. |
sui generis |
Jun-30-08 03:37 PM |
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Humans have both reasoning AND emotional capacities |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 05:01 PM |
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Just as some lack empathy, some lack the ability to reason |
Frank Cannon |
Jul-01-08 06:27 AM |
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That is indeed true. We need BOTH |
Time for change |
Jul-01-08 10:37 AM |
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Interesting comments . . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jun-30-08 02:22 PM |
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The warmongers and war profiteers will always justify war and violence with whatever they think they |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 04:29 PM |
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There is a commandment of Yahweh in the Old Testament which, apparently, appears three |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-30-08 02:48 PM |
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I agree that Christianity had a lot of very good things to teach humanity |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 04:52 PM |
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I agree with your second point, of course, but it seems very clear to me that |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-30-08 06:40 PM |
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It's been a while since I've seen a post like this here. |
ih8thegop |
Jun-30-08 03:42 PM |
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I guess I don't see the various proposed sources of morality |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-30-08 03:45 PM |
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With regard to the hoop shooting analogy |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 04:57 PM |
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Indeed. I didn't mean to suggest anything simply mechanical or behavioral. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-30-08 05:49 PM |
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Thanks for the reference -- I have 2 questions |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 06:02 PM |
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a) I don't know how hard the book would be for non-psychologists. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-30-08 06:23 PM |
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I mentioned Steven Pinker's book |
argeec |
Jun-30-08 05:51 PM |
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Thank you and welcome to DU |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 06:04 PM |
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They are written for a general audience. |
argeec |
Jun-30-08 07:45 PM |
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I take it that you would recommend them? |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 07:49 PM |
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It is as simple as "Do unto others...", however, the sociopathic |
DailyGrind51 |
Jun-30-08 05:58 PM |
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I thought "People of the Lie" was one of the most interesting books I ever read |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 06:07 PM |
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Your interpretation is probably more common than most of us would like |
DailyGrind51 |
Jun-30-08 08:10 PM |
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I believe empathy is the true bedrock for morality. |
Uncle Joe |
Jun-30-08 06:21 PM |
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That's about the way I see it too |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 06:49 PM |
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Reminds me of Ericsson's stages of moral development |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-01-08 11:37 AM |
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I like to think of moralty as being of two kinds, natural and contrived. |
mmonk |
Jun-30-08 06:37 PM |
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Are you saying that you don't see a role for empathy? |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 06:50 PM |
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I see empathy more in terms of natural morality. |
mmonk |
Jun-30-08 06:55 PM |
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I have a problem with the idea of moral relativity -- for example, |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 07:03 PM |
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Yes, that's true. To many he is moral but to me, he isn't |
mmonk |
Jun-30-08 07:08 PM |
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Jim Wallis on this subject, from his latest book, The Great Awakening |
bobbolink |
Jun-30-08 06:43 PM |
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That sounds like an interesting book, thank you |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 06:59 PM |
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You're very welcome! I mentioned it in another thread, and two people |
bobbolink |
Jul-01-08 11:29 AM |
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Empathy. |
jeff30997 |
Jun-30-08 07:37 PM |
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But George Bush has other qualities |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 07:47 PM |
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According to Hunter Thompson he was an ass at parties too. n/t |
greyhound1966 |
Jun-30-08 07:51 PM |
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Lol.Yeah... |
jeff30997 |
Jun-30-08 07:56 PM |
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VERY dangerous |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 07:59 PM |
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Thanks for the link Time for change! |
jeff30997 |
Jun-30-08 08:18 PM |
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I wonder where we could fit the concept "the ends justify the means" |
provis99 |
Jun-30-08 09:03 PM |
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I don't see why that makes empathy an inadequate explanation for morality |
Time for change |
Jun-30-08 09:14 PM |
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