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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:37 AM
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16. I agree, and would only tweak a bit what you say about it being emotion
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:50 AM by checks-n-balances
I agree that usually empathy involves our emotions, but sometimes it acts more as an attitude or belief. When it's ingrained into our thinking as a WAY OF LIFE, it doesn't always have to rely on a feeling. Sometimes we're too tired or too overwhelmed to have those feelings, but we can call upon an ingrained habit of seeing things a certain way (the way of empathy) when it's needed.

Generally speaking, our parents didn't always feel positive emotions towards us (the same for those of us who have children now), but their attitude and commitment of love carried them (and their children) through the times when they didn't have the feeling. The general way they approached their children was grounded in their commitments and steadfastness.

Kind of like understanding what it means to be a Democrat, which IMHO is built upon the ability to empathize.

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  - Great post.  sammythecat   Jun-29-08 09:09 PM   #1 
  - Thank you.  Time for change   Jun-30-08 11:18 AM   #38 
  - a person without empathy is no one I want to know. I love this post. thank you.  roguevalley   Jun-30-08 03:56 PM   #58 
  - You have touched upon a key issue  randr   Jun-29-08 09:18 PM   #2 
  - I agree, and would only tweak a bit what you say about it being emotion  checks-n-balances   Jun-30-08 01:37 AM   #16 
  - I completely agree with your addition to this great thesis  tavalon   Jun-30-08 04:53 AM   #22 
  - Very important point IMO  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:09 PM   #93 
  - “Our empathy for each other is our greatest asset”  Time for change   Jun-30-08 10:05 AM   #32 
  - Difference between liberals and conservatives  azygous   Jun-30-08 10:21 AM   #34 
     - I find that your comment  volstork   Jul-01-08 05:25 PM   #117 
  - Excellent post... I related to every word of it.  alittlelark   Jun-29-08 09:46 PM   #3 
  - Thank you.  Time for change   Jun-30-08 12:01 PM   #42 
  - Simpler than that ... see my tagline for details n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Jun-29-08 09:58 PM   #4 
  - It makes sense because empathy..  Triana   Jun-29-08 10:04 PM   #5 
  - What you say here reminds me very much of a book that I’ve posted about 3 times  Time for change   Jun-30-08 12:32 PM   #43 
  - K&R n/t  Wiley50   Jun-29-08 10:29 PM   #6 
  - Thank you...  nankerphelge   Jun-29-08 10:35 PM   #7 
  - Yes – No question that most people have at least some empathy for animals  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:25 PM   #96 
  - Exactly  FiveGoodMen   Jun-29-08 10:42 PM   #8 
  - Thank you.  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:52 PM   #100 
  - I think you touched on something important there  tkmorris   Jun-29-08 10:57 PM   #9 
  - Selective empathy  Time for change   Jun-30-08 01:00 PM   #44 
  - morality empathy and those without this function  undergroundpanther   Jun-29-08 11:19 PM   #10 
  - Psychopathy  Time for change   Jun-30-08 01:28 PM   #45 
  - Golden Rule  djp2   Jun-30-08 12:01 AM   #11 
  - actually the Golden Rule is basic common courtesy n/t  Skittles   Jun-30-08 01:21 AM   #14 
  - And the basis for *many* religions  FloridaJudy   Jun-30-08 01:59 AM   #17 
     - you don't need religion to practice common courtesy n/t  Skittles   Jun-30-08 02:35 AM   #19 
  - The Golden Rule is NOT the Basis for Christianity  Midwest_Doc   Jun-30-08 09:07 AM   #29 
  - Many Christians don't believe in "the Trinity", at least not in the Catholic sense...nt  Romulox   Jun-30-08 10:17 AM   #33 
     - Indeed that is the case  Bluenorthwest   Jun-30-08 11:25 AM   #39 
     - I stand corrected  Midwest_Doc   Jun-30-08 11:32 AM   #41 
  - I think that the Golden Rule captures the essence of empathy in action  Time for change   Jun-30-08 02:08 PM   #47 
     - The Golden Rule and World Religions  Greyskye   Jun-30-08 04:16 PM   #59 
        - Thank you!  FloridaJudy   Jul-01-08 06:20 AM   #107 
        - self delete - dupe  FloridaJudy   Jul-01-08 06:20 AM   #108 
  - I think it's even more easily summed up between empathy and fear  Connonym   Jun-30-08 01:11 AM   #12 
  - Yes, there is no such thing as forced morality  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:42 PM   #98 
  - Excellent post  FloridaJudy   Jun-30-08 01:20 AM   #13 
  - Thank you – I’ve thought and read a lot about this subject, yet  Time for change   Jun-30-08 02:36 PM   #50 
  - Have you perchance considered what some other passingly bright folks thought about it?  BlooInBloo   Jun-30-08 01:32 AM   #15 
  - Yes -- I've read some of the works of all those people  Time for change   Jun-30-08 03:25 PM   #53 
  - For some of us,  snot   Jun-30-08 02:31 AM   #18 
  - That sounds good to me.  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:33 PM   #97 
     - thanks.  snot   Jul-01-08 11:31 PM   #118 
  - K & R.  greyhound1966   Jun-30-08 03:00 AM   #20 
  - In the Southern Baptist church I went to as a teenager (my grandparents made me)  tavalon   Jun-30-08 04:50 AM   #21 
  - Wow, there is so much here!  tavalon   Jun-30-08 05:01 AM   #23 
  - Interesting points about macrocosm and microcosm  Time for change   Jun-30-08 05:37 PM   #64 
  - Conservatives might be basically brain-damaged  eridani   Jun-30-08 06:05 AM   #24 
  - Yeah, I think that’s true  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:44 PM   #99 
  - They're called "mirror neurons"  FloridaJudy   Jul-01-08 06:29 AM   #110 
  - Thank you for this...  TwoSparkles   Jul-01-08 10:50 AM   #113 
  - heh  kitfalbo   Jun-30-08 07:26 AM   #25 
  - Tell your colleague to give himself a pat on the back for being so righteous!  mnhtnbb   Jun-30-08 10:43 AM   #35 
  - Excellent post. It is empathy that sociopaths like B*sh and Bundy lack.  BrklynLib at work   Jun-30-08 08:05 AM   #26 
  - Thank you. Yes, it’s a terrible shame that such a man received enough votes in  Time for change   Jun-30-08 06:20 PM   #71 
     - Could not have said better than you did.  BrklynLib at work   Jul-01-08 07:41 AM   #111 
  - Thanks for posting  Echo In Light   Jun-30-08 08:07 AM   #27 
  - Excellent and well-thought post  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-30-08 08:13 AM   #28 
  - Thank you for your insights on this based on your experiences  Time for change   Jun-30-08 07:05 PM   #82 
  - There is a general lack of empathy  LWolf   Jun-30-08 09:31 AM   #30 
  - I think that has a lot to do with lack of leadership  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:53 PM   #101 
     - I think it has to do with mass media marketing campaigns, as well. n/t  LWolf   Jun-30-08 09:06 PM   #104 
        - Yes, that too  Time for change   Jun-30-08 09:16 PM   #106 
  - You have to know what it's like..  ananda   Jun-30-08 09:33 AM   #31 
  - Amen, sister.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jun-30-08 03:19 PM   #52 
  - Yes, and you don’t have to actually personally experience all those things to  Time for change   Jun-30-08 08:55 PM   #102 
  - Not necessarily--sometimes people who have not experienced a hardship  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-01-08 11:31 AM   #115 
  - "The greatest evils in the world are the absence of empathy and the persistence of ignorance"  Political Heretic   Jun-30-08 10:52 AM   #36 
  - Profound, as all your essays always are, for each epitomizes critical thought given to an  indepat   Jun-30-08 10:52 AM   #37 
  - Thank you so much  Time for change   Jun-30-08 07:31 PM   #84 
  - Moral Relativism.  gorfle   Jun-30-08 11:30 AM   #40 
  - I do not advocate moral relativism  Time for change   Jun-30-08 07:56 PM   #90 
  - Excellent and thank you n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-30-08 01:44 PM   #46 
  - Believe it or not I disagree.  sui generis   Jun-30-08 02:21 PM   #48 
  - Anyone who has had a dog  argeec   Jun-30-08 03:34 PM   #54 
  - EXACTLY. What differentiates us from dogs is our ability to reason.  sui generis   Jun-30-08 03:37 PM   #55 
  - Humans have both reasoning AND emotional capacities  Time for change   Jun-30-08 05:01 PM   #63 
     - Just as some lack empathy, some lack the ability to reason  Frank Cannon   Jul-01-08 06:27 AM   #109 
        - That is indeed true. We need BOTH  Time for change   Jul-01-08 10:37 AM   #112 
  - Interesting comments . . ..  defendandprotect   Jun-30-08 02:22 PM   #49 
  - The warmongers and war profiteers will always justify war and violence with whatever they think they  Time for change   Jun-30-08 04:29 PM   #60 
  - There is a commandment of Yahweh in the Old Testament which, apparently, appears three  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-30-08 02:48 PM   #51 
  - I agree that Christianity had a lot of very good things to teach humanity  Time for change   Jun-30-08 04:52 PM   #61 
     - I agree with your second point, of course, but it seems very clear to me that  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-30-08 06:40 PM   #75 
  - It's been a while since I've seen a post like this here.  ih8thegop   Jun-30-08 03:42 PM   #56 
  - I guess I don't see the various proposed sources of morality  Jackpine Radical   Jun-30-08 03:45 PM   #57 
  - With regard to the hoop shooting analogy  Time for change   Jun-30-08 04:57 PM   #62 
     - Indeed. I didn't mean to suggest anything simply mechanical or behavioral.  Jackpine Radical   Jun-30-08 05:49 PM   #65 
     - Thanks for the reference -- I have 2 questions  Time for change   Jun-30-08 06:02 PM   #68 
        - a) I don't know how hard the book would be for non-psychologists.  Jackpine Radical   Jun-30-08 06:23 PM   #73 
     - I mentioned Steven Pinker's book  argeec   Jun-30-08 05:51 PM   #66 
        - Thank you and welcome to DU  Time for change   Jun-30-08 06:04 PM   #69 
           - They are written for a general audience.  argeec   Jun-30-08 07:45 PM   #86 
              - I take it that you would recommend them?  Time for change   Jun-30-08 07:49 PM   #88 
  - It is as simple as "Do unto others...", however, the sociopathic  DailyGrind51   Jun-30-08 05:58 PM   #67 
  - I thought "People of the Lie" was one of the most interesting books I ever read  Time for change   Jun-30-08 06:07 PM   #70 
     - Your interpretation is probably more common than most of us would like  DailyGrind51   Jun-30-08 08:10 PM   #94 
  - I believe empathy is the true bedrock for morality.  Uncle Joe   Jun-30-08 06:21 PM   #72 
  - That's about the way I see it too  Time for change   Jun-30-08 06:49 PM   #77 
  - Reminds me of Ericsson's stages of moral development  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-01-08 11:37 AM   #116 
  - I like to think of moralty as being of two kinds, natural and contrived.  mmonk   Jun-30-08 06:37 PM   #74 
  - Are you saying that you don't see a role for empathy?  Time for change   Jun-30-08 06:50 PM   #78 
     - I see empathy more in terms of natural morality.  mmonk   Jun-30-08 06:55 PM   #79 
        - I have a problem with the idea of moral relativity -- for example,  Time for change   Jun-30-08 07:03 PM   #81 
           - Yes, that's true. To many he is moral but to me, he isn't  mmonk   Jun-30-08 07:08 PM   #83 
  - Jim Wallis on this subject, from his latest book, The Great Awakening  bobbolink   Jun-30-08 06:43 PM   #76 
  - That sounds like an interesting book, thank you  Time for change   Jun-30-08 06:59 PM   #80 
     - You're very welcome! I mentioned it in another thread, and two people  bobbolink   Jul-01-08 11:29 AM   #114 
  - Empathy.  jeff30997   Jun-30-08 07:37 PM   #85 
  - But George Bush has other qualities  Time for change   Jun-30-08 07:47 PM   #87 
     - According to Hunter Thompson he was an ass at parties too. n/t  greyhound1966   Jun-30-08 07:51 PM   #89 
     - Lol.Yeah...  jeff30997   Jun-30-08 07:56 PM   #91 
        - VERY dangerous  Time for change   Jun-30-08 07:59 PM   #92 
           - Thanks for the link Time for change!  jeff30997   Jun-30-08 08:18 PM   #95 
  - I wonder where we could fit the concept "the ends justify the means"  provis99   Jun-30-08 09:03 PM   #103 
     - I don't see why that makes empathy an inadequate explanation for morality  Time for change   Jun-30-08 09:14 PM   #105 
 

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