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kay1864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:42 AM
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Would the Chimp indeed be arrested if he set foot in a foreign country?
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For sake of argument, let's assume this post is correct, and the Chimp lands in Nice or Barcelona next March, not knowing there's an arrest warrant waiting for him for war crimes. Or arrogantly not caring, thinking he's immune.

A friend suggested that the Secret Service wouldn't allow him to be taken into custody. Here was my response (mostly guesswork):

AFAIK the Secret Service cannot prevent their arrest in a foreign country. It's not like they're taking the EX-president hostage--they are lawfully arresting him. Yes, the SS would do their jobs to protect him from imminent threat, but it doesn't extend to violating the laws of other countries. There might be a shouting match etc. between the lead SS guy and the lead arresting authority, but the SS would be forced to stand down, and the Chimp (as a private citizen, he no longer has Air Force One etc) would be taken into custody. Or they might just arrest anyone in the SS who interfered. Once you're in a foreign country (even if you're an SS guy), you don't have "American rights". You can and will be arrested if you're interfering with a police officer doing his duty.

Also, as a private citizen, Chimp would not be allowed to even leave said country, since as a private citizen, he has to go through customs and immigration just like everyone else. His passport would be confiscated were he to try and leave.

Now, maybe there's a VIP line that's separate from the main customs and immigration. but even THEIR officers are beholden to THEIR country--they don't give a rat's ass about US laws, since they don't apply. So if there is an outstanding arrest warrant, he simply would not be allowed to leave, and his passport confiscated. And if the SS interfered, THEY would be arrested as well, and THEIR passports confiscated.

And the arresting authorities may indeed show up with a platoon (for sake of argument, let's say it's Spain) . The Spanish police (or whoever) would be smart enough to show up with enough officers to arrest every member of the SS present.

Remember, Pinochet probably had a security detail with him too (which ultimately all the SS is--it's not like they're carrying bazookas under their suits). Didn't keep him from getting arrested.

How would this work? Next March, as a former Head of State (even an illegitimate one like the Chimp), does he bypass Customs and Immigration?

And if arrest were attempted, would the SS herd him back onto whatever private jet he flew in on, guns a-blazin'? Or would they recognize the authority of officers?
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  -Would the Chimp indeed be arrested if he set foot in a foreign country? kay1864  Jun-26-08 11:42 AM   #0 
  - "...does he bypass Customs and Immigration?"  KansDem   Jun-26-08 11:45 AM   #1 
  - He would likely be flying private jet, not commercial  kay1864   Jun-26-08 11:47 AM   #5 
  - I really don't know  Andy823   Jun-26-08 11:46 AM   #2 
  - An Interesting Question, Sir  The Magistrate   Jun-26-08 11:46 AM   #3 
  - They'll Know Ahead Of Time That He'd Be Arrested  MannyGoldstein   Jun-26-08 11:46 AM   #4 
  - "But daddy, why CAN'T we go to the French Riviera?"  kay1864   Jun-26-08 11:48 AM   #6 
  - Agreed.  mainegreen   Jun-26-08 11:50 AM   #8 
  - Actually he might be more limited than even that  kay1864   Jun-26-08 03:27 PM   #55 
  - what makes you think * would be going to another country?  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-26-08 11:49 AM   #7 
  - he wasn't that is why he doesn't know  alyce douglas   Jun-26-08 01:08 PM   #35 
     - you don't need to travel the world to respect other cultures /nt  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-26-08 01:29 PM   #40 
  - No, they can't arrest him  SteelPenguin   Jun-26-08 11:59 AM   #9 
  - Please read the OP  kay1864   Jun-26-08 12:01 PM   #10 
  - If you mean when he's the former president....  SteelPenguin   Jun-26-08 12:04 PM   #13 
     - Please provide a link to support your claim  kay1864   Jun-26-08 12:08 PM   #16 
     - No  SteelPenguin   Jun-26-08 12:25 PM   #18 
        - Dude, it's not my research, it's yours  kay1864   Jun-26-08 12:29 PM   #19 
           - here ya go:  onenote   Jun-26-08 01:41 PM   #43 
              - Thanks, but it appears that in both cases...  kay1864   Jun-26-08 01:46 PM   #44 
                 - While the Appeals court didn't rely on the District Court holding, it didn't overturn it  onenote   Jun-26-08 01:55 PM   #45 
                    - You're missing one vital point...  kay1864   Jun-26-08 02:10 PM   #49 
                       - that's quite an overstatement  onenote   Jun-26-08 02:24 PM   #52 
                       - Actually it doesn't matter either way  kay1864   Jun-26-08 02:28 PM   #54 
                       - And when all else fails, there's Wikipedia :-)  kay1864   Jun-26-08 02:27 PM   #53 
     - SS protection ends after 10 years.  Vickers   Jun-26-08 12:34 PM   #23 
     - Yes indeed  kay1864   Jun-26-08 12:37 PM   #26 
        - Didn't Carter decline his after awhile?  Vickers   Jun-26-08 12:39 PM   #28 
     - Bush will be the first President that will NOT receive lifetime SS protection.  LiberalFighter   Jun-26-08 12:39 PM   #27 
     - There is nothing in international law that provides permanent diplomatic immunity.  LiberalFighter   Jun-26-08 12:58 PM   #31 
     - so Milosevic was arrested ... how?  Clovis Sangrail   Jun-26-08 01:35 PM   #42 
  - How did they bypass that with Pinochet's arrest? nt  riderinthestorm   Jun-26-08 12:02 PM   #11 
  - Pinochet wasn't the President of the most powerful country  Growler   Jun-26-08 12:32 PM   #21 
     - Nor is the Chimp, in the scenario in the OP  kay1864   Jun-26-08 12:33 PM   #22 
        - I noted it. It doesn't matter.  Growler   Jun-26-08 01:27 PM   #38 
  - Thank God  Meiko   Jun-26-08 12:02 PM   #12 
     - Better read the OP again.  Vickers   Jun-26-08 12:05 PM   #14 
     - Yes, by all means...  kay1864   Jun-26-08 12:11 PM   #17 
  - Let Him Try  zorahopkins   Jun-26-08 12:06 PM   #15 
  - Would Saddam Hussein have had diplomatic immunity  Contrary1   Jun-26-08 12:29 PM   #20 
  - He wouldn't had even been allowed into the country.  LiberalFighter   Jun-26-08 12:40 PM   #29 
  - It will never happen  Growler   Jun-26-08 12:36 PM   #24 
  - President Obama sending carrier fleets to Spain or France or Canada  kay1864   Jun-26-08 12:45 PM   #30 
  - being an former President of the US trumps everything  Growler   Jun-26-08 01:18 PM   #36 
     - Not quite  kay1864   Jun-26-08 01:24 PM   #37 
        - Heh. Agreed.  Growler   Jun-26-08 01:28 PM   #39 
           - And I'm not as sure as you seem to be  kay1864   Jun-26-08 01:33 PM   #41 
              - You should be more sure. ALthough it would never come to military intervention  onenote   Jun-26-08 01:57 PM   #46 
              - Thanks for telling me how I should be thinking  kay1864   Jun-26-08 02:03 PM   #47 
              - I can't imagine any of the countries actually considering  Growler   Jun-26-08 02:09 PM   #48 
                 - I can imagine it quite easily. I've been to several of them.  kay1864   Jun-26-08 02:12 PM   #50 
  - You nailed it.  Mike Daniels   Jun-26-08 02:23 PM   #51 
  - There isn't a country out there that would even try.  cobalt1999   Jun-26-08 12:37 PM   #25 
  - Is that because we are better than anyone else?  notmypresident   Jun-26-08 01:04 PM   #32 
     - The world isn't fair. Never has been, never will be.  cobalt1999   Jun-26-08 03:54 PM   #56 
  - I only hope so.  alyce douglas   Jun-26-08 01:07 PM   #33 
  - The Chimp is above the law.  undeterred   Jun-26-08 01:08 PM   #34 
  - Not until he's a private citizen again...  JackRiddler   Jun-26-08 03:57 PM   #57 
  - Yes, that would be...  kay1864   Jun-26-08 05:31 PM   #59 
  - I would hope not.  Super Soaker Sniper   Jun-26-08 03:58 PM   #58 
     - Enlighten us, please  kay1864   Jun-26-08 05:33 PM   #60 
        - I would hope NO US President gets arrested  Super Soaker Sniper   Jun-26-08 05:43 PM   #61 
           - Maybe you should read up on the International Court of Justice  kay1864   Jun-26-08 10:03 PM   #62 
              - I know about it  Super Soaker Sniper   Jun-26-08 11:11 PM   #63 

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