| 203. Any child abuse pushes me damned close, too. |
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It's a bitch to try to let my cooler head prevail.
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| -I was raped as a child and I have something to say to the Supreme Court: |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 07:19 AM |
#0 |
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State-sanctioned Murder is always wrong. |
tekisui |
Jun-26-08 07:21 AM |
#1 |
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the OP has guts beyond guts and a conscience that is an example |
roguevalley |
Jun-26-08 02:25 PM |
#139 |
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Thank you for your post. |
zanne |
Jun-26-08 07:22 AM |
#2 |
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k&r |
zanne |
Jun-26-08 07:23 AM |
#3 |
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Agree. |
ananda |
Jun-26-08 07:24 AM |
#4 |
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If anybody Obama should know better |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-26-08 07:26 AM |
#5 |
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He did surprise me |
malaise |
Jun-26-08 07:28 AM |
#7 |
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That's why their Governor put a morotorium on executions. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-26-08 07:36 AM |
#11 |
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A Republican governor no less |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-26-08 08:16 AM |
#25 |
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republican governor with blood on his own hands and |
mopinko |
Jun-26-08 08:43 AM |
#37 |
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It's the demagoguery. |
redqueen |
Jun-26-08 12:11 PM |
#98 |
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yes, that's how I'm looking at it. No one is interested in nuances and logistical nightmares, |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 12:24 PM |
#107 |
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Exactly... it's *nothing* to do with the child, or justice. |
redqueen |
Jun-26-08 12:27 PM |
#110 |
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Oh absolutely - no one should EVER ask a child to put someone (many times family members) to death. |
helderheid |
Jun-26-08 02:58 PM |
#146 |
| -
Yep. He has to avoid a Dukakis 'if your wife was murdered' question |
NCevilDUer |
Jun-26-08 02:34 PM |
#142 |
| -
yep. I was thinking the same thing. |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 03:25 PM |
#157 |
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From what I understand some victims' rights groups support this decision. |
Richardo |
Jun-26-08 07:28 AM |
#6 |
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From an interview I saw with a victim |
subliminable |
Jun-26-08 07:49 AM |
#15 |
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Yes, this was a very interesting perspective on the matter..... |
timeforarevolution |
Jun-26-08 07:53 AM |
#16 |
| -
An excellent point |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-26-08 08:15 AM |
#24 |
| -
I think their reasons are moral. |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 12:26 PM |
#109 |
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I do too - just not the *same* moral reasons. |
Richardo |
Jun-26-08 01:43 PM |
#126 |
| -
I cannot even believe that there was such a sentence was passed, let alone be decided by Supremes. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-26-08 07:29 AM |
#8 |
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"telling the people that murder on some level is ok" |
subliminable |
Jun-26-08 08:05 AM |
#20 |
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Some murder has always been okay |
Chulanowa |
Jun-26-08 11:05 AM |
#67 |
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i sometimes think |
druidity33 |
Jun-26-08 07:29 AM |
#9 |
| -
I agree with you... |
TwoSparkles |
Jun-26-08 07:33 AM |
#10 |
| -
I agrree , captial punishment is wrong. Period. |
bowens43 |
Jun-26-08 07:36 AM |
#12 |
| -
But... |
gorfle |
Jun-26-08 08:10 PM |
#178 |
| -
thank you for your courage to speak out on this |
wellstone dem |
Jun-26-08 07:36 AM |
#13 |
| -
When you die, I'm grabbing onto the edge of your skirt, |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jun-26-08 07:42 AM |
#14 |
| -
TBC, that's about the nicest thing |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 08:05 AM |
#21 |
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I'm so sorry that happened to you, Bertha. |
raccoon |
Jun-26-08 07:58 AM |
#17 |
| -
that book left me outraged |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 08:04 AM |
#19 |
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thou shalt not kill......no asterik...no 'state' exemptions |
spanone |
Jun-26-08 08:03 AM |
#18 |
| -
Thou shalt not kill |
AlbertCat |
Jun-26-08 12:15 PM |
#101 |
| -
what concerns me is the inability to understand |
oscarmitre |
Jun-26-08 08:13 AM |
#22 |
| -
Another excellent point |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-26-08 08:18 AM |
#26 |
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DUers have such a punishment fetish that they don't understand the utility aspect |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jun-26-08 08:20 AM |
#28 |
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SOME DUers. It's like the Moral Majoity, which is neither. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-26-08 11:47 AM |
#80 |
| -
yes, some is right. So is loud. It's surprising to see them in any case. n/t |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 02:03 PM |
#131 |
| -
I wonder how effectively a sentence prevents violent crime like rape/murder |
crikkett |
Jun-26-08 08:37 AM |
#34 |
| -
I think studies have shown |
marions ghost |
Jun-26-08 10:22 AM |
#51 |
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States with the death pealty have much higher murder rates |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-27-08 04:56 PM |
#213 |
| -
Some people just lose all reason... |
redqueen |
Jun-26-08 12:15 PM |
#100 |
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If It's Morally Wrong To Kill Anyone |
Weezer |
Jun-26-08 08:14 AM |
#23 |
| -
I believe it was Carlin also who said, |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jun-26-08 08:19 AM |
#27 |
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Welcome to DU. |
redqueen |
Jun-26-08 12:16 PM |
#102 |
| -
death penalty for child rapists |
whathehell |
Jun-26-08 08:23 AM |
#29 |
| -
That's a very good point. |
EOTE |
Jun-26-08 08:42 AM |
#36 |
| -
Exactly! The child rapist would just kill the child, if there was a Death Penalty. |
Breeze54 |
Jun-26-08 09:02 AM |
#42 |
| -
If you are fucked enough in the head to rape a small child.. |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 09:53 AM |
#46 |
| -
Don't hang your hat on that. |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Jun-26-08 02:23 PM |
#135 |
| -
Selection bias |
geekdem |
Jun-26-08 05:54 PM |
#169 |
| -
I tried arguing this an another thread |
Jakes Progress |
Jun-26-08 03:17 PM |
#152 |
| -
I was not, Bertha, but I totally agree with you. |
WakeMeUp |
Jun-26-08 08:26 AM |
#30 |
| -
I am depressed because this is the country we live in, a country that WANTS to kill criminals |
tuggle |
Jun-26-08 08:29 AM |
#31 |
| -
Thank you, BK |
Dogtown |
Jun-26-08 08:30 AM |
#32 |
| -
child rapists deserve to die, but GOVERNMENTS DO NOT DESERVE THE POWER TO KILL THEIR SUBJECTS |
unblock |
Jun-26-08 08:30 AM |
#33 |
| -
Thanks, and more power to you |
crikkett |
Jun-26-08 08:38 AM |
#35 |
| -
Thank you for the post. I agree. |
DesertRat |
Jun-26-08 08:47 AM |
#38 |
| -
Thank you, bertha. |
PeaceNikki |
Jun-26-08 08:49 AM |
#39 |
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iirc, death used to be the punishment for rape in many states. just as folks |
mopinko |
Jun-26-08 08:51 AM |
#40 |
| -
Death Penalty is wrong. |
riverlady |
Jun-26-08 08:59 AM |
#41 |
| -
Worse than death |
HelenWheels |
Jun-26-08 09:27 AM |
#43 |
| -
interesting point |
Apollo11 |
Jun-26-08 12:19 PM |
#104 |
| -
Thank you Bertha. And one thing many people AREN'T taking into |
Lorien |
Jun-26-08 09:46 AM |
#44 |
| -
Rabid Human Beings |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 09:48 AM |
#45 |
| -
"Put down" -- ??? |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 10:12 AM |
#47 |
| -
wiped from existence.. |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 10:15 AM |
#48 |
| -
Some humans have not evolved to strive for the end of barbarism. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 10:26 AM |
#52 |
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Because some of the 310 million people here are sick fuckers |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 10:35 AM |
#56 |
| -
Perhaps you should examine the health of your own psyche, |
MadHound |
Jun-26-08 10:47 AM |
#61 |
| -
DNA evidence will prove they are guilty.. |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 10:54 AM |
#64 |
| -
Stop that shit right now, OK! |
MadHound |
Jun-26-08 11:08 AM |
#70 |
| -
See, that's the difference between you and me |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 12:27 PM |
#111 |
| -
You didn't address the last point. |
ieoeja |
Jun-26-08 02:31 PM |
#141 |
| -
it's sounds like this is about vengeance |
fascisthunter |
Jun-26-08 07:30 PM |
#177 |
| -
Death penalty |
cesar008 |
Jun-26-08 02:45 PM |
#143 |
| -
nah, you just think killing can be justified. |
iamthebandfanman |
Jun-26-08 03:58 PM |
#163 |
| -
it doesn't help society to kill insane people. |
marions ghost |
Jun-26-08 11:13 AM |
#71 |
| -
Satisfy the morbid, raging bystanders' blood-lust. |
redqueen |
Jun-26-08 12:19 PM |
#103 |
| -
and that doesn't strike you, in any way shape or form |
northzax |
Jun-26-08 12:20 PM |
#105 |
| -
mentally retarded or insane are one thing... |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 12:29 PM |
#113 |
| -
by definition, maybe not |
northzax |
Jun-26-08 12:50 PM |
#117 |
| -
Hmmm... No |
Gilligan |
Jun-27-08 04:39 PM |
#212 |
| -
might feel like justice, |
marions ghost |
Jun-26-08 10:29 AM |
#54 |
| -
Check my post above.. |
snooper2 |
Jun-26-08 10:38 AM |
#57 |
| -
Take a look at this map. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-26-08 11:45 AM |
#78 |
| -
And if they're wrongly convicted? You're OK with murdering innocent people? (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-26-08 12:11 PM |
#97 |
| -
I sure the hell am not OK with murdering innocent people... |
No DUplicitous DUpe |
Jun-26-08 06:59 PM |
#176 |
| -
And just who would get to decide who gets murdered? |
varkam |
Jun-26-08 12:57 PM |
#119 |
| -
i dont think dogs should be put down |
iamthebandfanman |
Jun-26-08 03:57 PM |
#162 |
| -
Sadly, Bertha, you are far from alone. |
Blue_In_AK |
Jun-26-08 10:18 AM |
#49 |
| -
Obama's Statement Is Very Depressing |
ComtesseDeSpair |
Jun-26-08 10:20 AM |
#50 |
| -
You mean the "pro life before birth / pro death post birth" voters... |
ForeignSpectator |
Jun-26-08 01:20 PM |
#122 |
| -
he's pandering for votes |
Skittles |
Jun-26-08 02:53 PM |
#145 |
| -
The court was wrong. |
janesez |
Jun-26-08 10:28 AM |
#53 |
| -
Bertha, you are my hero. |
PeterU |
Jun-26-08 10:31 AM |
#55 |
| -
My reply is that things are not always black/white - think about how we |
TBF |
Jun-26-08 10:42 AM |
#58 |
| -
What about the Catholic Priests? |
TNOE |
Jun-26-08 10:44 AM |
#59 |
| -
I agree with you |
MonkeyFunk |
Jun-26-08 10:47 AM |
#60 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-26-08 11:49 AM |
#81 |
| -
What the fuck kind of statement is that? |
janesez |
Jun-26-08 11:54 AM |
#84 |
| -
I call 'em as I sees 'em. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-26-08 11:56 AM |
#86 |
| -
wow... thumbs Up to You |
fascisthunter |
Jun-26-08 10:49 AM |
#62 |
| -
I wasn't raped, but I did go through some rather minor sexual abuse |
sleebarker |
Jun-26-08 10:51 AM |
#63 |
| -
Thank you for taking a stand. I am standing with you. |
SalviaBlue |
Jun-26-08 11:02 AM |
#65 |
| -
I used to agree, but not any more |
northernlights |
Jun-26-08 11:02 AM |
#66 |
| -
Yes, but... |
ComtesseDeSpair |
Jun-26-08 11:06 AM |
#68 |
| -
And since most children who are abused are abused by someone they know, often times family members, |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 11:57 AM |
#87 |
| -
You agree with Obama on "euthanasia?" Or you agree with him on "cruel and unusual |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 12:28 PM |
#112 |
| -
Despite the propaganda that is usually presented most sex offenders *do not* repeat the offense |
justaregularperson |
Jun-27-08 12:43 AM |
#190 |
| -
i agree nt |
lionesspriyanka |
Jun-26-08 11:07 AM |
#69 |
| -
There are people who have been unjustly accused of child molestation |
El Fuego |
Jun-26-08 11:27 AM |
#72 |
| -
I don't like the death penalty for mixed reasons |
glitch |
Jun-26-08 11:28 AM |
#73 |
| -
I share more than your view on capital punishment- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-26-08 11:36 AM |
#74 |
| -
Laws shouldn't be based on emotion.. |
skooooo |
Jun-26-08 11:40 AM |
#75 |
| -
Excellent point. People who do that would be just as likely to treat these same children as adults |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 11:52 AM |
#82 |
| -
My opinion isn't based on emotion. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 01:43 PM |
#125 |
| -
If they ARE guilty.. |
penndragon69 |
Jun-26-08 11:43 AM |
#76 |
| -
Why should I house and feed a criminal in my own home when I pay taxes to keep them in jail? |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 11:53 AM |
#83 |
| -
And this statement is...? |
LanternWaste |
Jun-26-08 12:03 PM |
#94 |
| -
Should be willing to house and feed . . . tell me why. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 12:25 PM |
#108 |
| -
AS i expected.. |
penndragon69 |
Jun-26-08 04:11 PM |
#165 |
| -
Don't forget hanged and branded! |
justaregularperson |
Jun-27-08 12:53 AM |
#191 |
| -
Your logic is poor. Your fallacies are two-fold. If you can stop shouting "bullshit," |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 09:07 AM |
#207 |
| -
Read War Against the Weak by Edwin Black. You sound very much |
jwirr |
Jun-26-08 06:15 PM |
#170 |
| -
absolutely Bertha! thanks for posting this... |
FarceOfNature |
Jun-26-08 11:44 AM |
#77 |
| -
What would Jesus Do? |
Hail Lama |
Jun-26-08 11:47 AM |
#79 |
| -
to murder someone as a penalty for murder is wrong |
paulk |
Jun-26-08 11:56 AM |
#85 |
| -
I agree with you |
noonwitch |
Jun-26-08 11:58 AM |
#88 |
| -
In a black & White case Im all for the Death death penalty |
BigD_95 |
Jun-26-08 11:59 AM |
#89 |
| -
that is truly sickening. n/t |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 12:00 PM |
#92 |
| -
I imagine some people give much more weight to a personal blood-lust... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-26-08 12:07 PM |
#95 |
| -
A confession isn't always proof of guilt. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 12:23 PM |
#106 |
| -
Exactly |
justaregularperson |
Jun-27-08 12:58 AM |
#192 |
| -
Thanks so much for your post. |
cbayer |
Jun-26-08 11:59 AM |
#90 |
| -
I agree with you. |
undeterred |
Jun-26-08 11:59 AM |
#91 |
| -
Hear hear! |
EstimatedProphet |
Jun-26-08 12:02 PM |
#93 |
| -
Hear hear, Bertha! |
redqueen |
Jun-26-08 12:10 PM |
#96 |
| -
Death Penalty is a slippery slope |
windoe |
Jun-26-08 12:13 PM |
#99 |
| -
however |
paulstylos |
Jun-26-08 12:34 PM |
#114 |
| -
Thank you, Bertha. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-26-08 12:38 PM |
#115 |
| -
I so agree with you, Bertha. |
Maat |
Jun-26-08 12:42 PM |
#116 |
| -
I love you, Bertha! |
PelosiFan |
Jun-26-08 12:54 PM |
#118 |
| -
And I love you, PF. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 08:19 AM |
#204 |
| -
there are always cases where someone |
BigD_95 |
Jun-26-08 01:13 PM |
#120 |
| -
"you kill, you kick, you piss" -- WTF? |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 01:37 PM |
#124 |
| -
N/A |
BigD_95 |
Jun-26-08 01:15 PM |
#121 |
| -
Thanks for sharing something so difficult to talk about |
libodem |
Jun-26-08 01:21 PM |
#123 |
| -
You're absolutely right, Bertha. |
oktoberain |
Jun-26-08 01:49 PM |
#127 |
| -
Death Penalty never bothered me until I heard what Matthew Shepard's father said.... |
LynneSin |
Jun-26-08 01:52 PM |
#128 |
| -
Not to mention that some of the people who would love to see some killers get the death penalty, |
Iris |
Jun-26-08 02:07 PM |
#132 |
| -
Don't sign me up for that team |
LynneSin |
Jun-26-08 03:46 PM |
#159 |
| -
I agree with you and I commend you for thinking this through even though |
Cleita |
Jun-26-08 01:54 PM |
#129 |
| -
This is one the SC got right, IMO -- and courageous of you -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-26-08 01:59 PM |
#130 |
| -
I am against the death penalty |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jun-26-08 02:19 PM |
#133 |
| -
Any child abuse pushes me damned close, too. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 08:14 AM |
#203 |
| -
Your strength, your beauty moves me to tears. |
duhneece |
Jun-26-08 02:21 PM |
#134 |
| -
death penalty should exist but not expanded |
PurpleStateVoter |
Jun-26-08 02:23 PM |
#136 |
| -
Great post, Bertha |
enigmatic |
Jun-26-08 02:25 PM |
#137 |
| -
I agree totally |
MrScorpio |
Jun-26-08 02:25 PM |
#138 |
| -
I used to be against the Death penalty |
BigD_95 |
Jun-26-08 02:27 PM |
#140 |
| -
Thanks for your post.. |
rainlillie |
Jun-26-08 02:48 PM |
#144 |
| -
I can't. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-26-08 03:03 PM |
#147 |
| -
My predator |
rainlillie |
Jun-26-08 03:13 PM |
#150 |
| -
"Some people think it's a one time thing and with a little therapy you'll get over it." |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 08:01 AM |
#202 |
| -
Sanctioned murder tells people that revenge killing is ok too, which increases murder because |
McCamy Taylor |
Jun-26-08 03:07 PM |
#148 |
| -
All that's fine and good |
rainlillie |
Jun-26-08 03:19 PM |
#153 |
| -
Thank you Bertha! |
judy |
Jun-26-08 03:12 PM |
#149 |
| -
It's not revenge it's justice! |
rainlillie |
Jun-26-08 03:20 PM |
#154 |
| -
How is it Revenge? |
BigD_95 |
Jun-26-08 03:22 PM |
#155 |
| -
I agree 100 percent! |
rainlillie |
Jun-26-08 03:23 PM |
#156 |
| -
No. You don't have to be the victim to exact revenge. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Jun-26-08 03:44 PM |
#158 |
| -
Death is an easy way out. |
Fox Mulder |
Jun-26-08 03:51 PM |
#161 |
| -
Same here and agreed. /nt |
readmoreoften |
Jun-26-08 03:13 PM |
#151 |
| -
State sanctioned murder is wrong. |
Fox Mulder |
Jun-26-08 03:49 PM |
#160 |
| -
I am against the deathe penalty in all cases |
gaspee |
Jun-26-08 04:03 PM |
#164 |
| -
You are a brave and wise person on this |
YankeyMCC |
Jun-26-08 04:17 PM |
#166 |
| -
You are of course right on this, Obama is beginning to alarm me on |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-26-08 05:01 PM |
#167 |
| -
I was very surprised to hear my daughter, who was also raped as |
jwirr |
Jun-26-08 05:17 PM |
#168 |
| -
Progressives promoting the Death Penalty, just like China, Iran, |
durrrty libby |
Jun-26-08 06:37 PM |
#171 |
| -
This isn'nt about group think... |
rainlillie |
Jun-27-08 06:33 AM |
#196 |
| -
Yeahh riiight. You keep telling yourself that |
durrrty libby |
Jun-27-08 10:15 AM |
#208 |
| -
You are so right |
slay |
Jun-26-08 06:39 PM |
#172 |
| -
Thank you so much for saying that. Another thing the bloodthirsty mob fail to consider: |
thecatburgler |
Jun-26-08 06:42 PM |
#173 |
| -
Something else to consider... |
Q3JR4 |
Jun-26-08 06:50 PM |
#174 |
| -
I'm with you. nt |
rateyes |
Jun-26-08 06:54 PM |
#175 |
| -
I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I don't support it in principle... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Jun-26-08 08:19 PM |
#179 |
| -
Thanks for your honesty.. |
rainlillie |
Jun-27-08 06:31 AM |
#195 |
| -
Perhaps I should have added this: I have in fact wished my rapist dead. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 07:43 AM |
#201 |
| -
It is murder for circumstance........ |
Klukie |
Jun-26-08 08:36 PM |
#180 |
| -
Proud to be rec number 100. |
AspieGrrl |
Jun-26-08 09:21 PM |
#181 |
| -
Thank you. I agree. n/t |
whereismyparty |
Jun-26-08 10:06 PM |
#182 |
| -
Obama needs to wise up |
nankerphelge |
Jun-26-08 10:21 PM |
#183 |
| -
I know I will be in the minority in this opinion here on DU |
AutumnMist |
Jun-26-08 10:33 PM |
#184 |
| -
I have very strong feelings about rapists |
gaspee |
Jun-26-08 11:18 PM |
#185 |
| -
Thank you for your statement |
suzie |
Jun-27-08 01:44 AM |
#194 |
| -
I just came online this afternoon |
AutumnMist |
Jun-27-08 04:16 PM |
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Great post.. |
rainlillie |
Jun-27-08 06:37 AM |
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I hear you on all of that, Bertha. *hugs* |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jun-26-08 11:25 PM |
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Whether the DP is morally wrong or not is not the issue |
wpelb |
Jun-27-08 12:00 AM |
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Jun-27-08 12:13 AM |
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This post is out of place in this thread. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 07:32 AM |
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Europe "dittos" your views. |
lebkuchen |
Jun-27-08 12:13 AM |
#189 |
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Man, our culture is de-evolving in leaps and bounds |
justaregularperson |
Jun-27-08 01:23 AM |
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Self-serving? No. Not helpful? I agree that my post is not helpful, because |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 07:39 AM |
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My bad for not explaining better... |
justaregularperson |
Jun-27-08 08:27 AM |
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Understood, and thanks. |
bertha katzenengel |
Jun-27-08 08:43 AM |
#206 |
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We all need to realize |
placton |
Jun-27-08 07:08 AM |
#198 |
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Thank you, Bertha! |
Kajsa |
Jun-27-08 11:59 AM |
#209 |
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applause! |
Gilligan |
Jun-27-08 04:18 PM |
#211 |
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