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193. Man, our culture is de-evolving in leaps and bounds
Edited on Fri Jun-27-08 01:26 AM by justaregularperson
This entire discussion should be about what **works** best. We are so obsessed with fear, anger, loathing we cannot see straight enough to look toward the future, much less through our red eyes.

The emotional framework is being built (yes, this is all being stoked courtesy of our barbarian "Republican" friends) at the expense of true inspection and scientific method. We should be instead concentrating first on prevention. But because of our more barbaric and powerful neighbors who want to turn everything into "good and evil" and make it equal "life and death" (think about the basis of such philosophy, it comes from the religious righter's belief systems), we are completly off course for really getting to the root of things and actually reducing things like murder and rape.

Sorry, but all the self rightious anger is more self serving than helpful to the victims of rape and murder. We are contributing to their increase and as a result are partly to blame! I swear, I am convinced we could reduce our incidence of child rape significantly if we simply spent as much energy countering the causes and educating the masses as we do on fear and loathing. Statistically the evidence is these are more learned behavior than genetics.

I am preparing to get the hell out from amongst this nuts of a citizenry and move to another country. I still hope for change, but I am working toward the move. The fact that even on a place like DU that is supposedly filled with progressives so many folks want to hold onto apeshit ideas that don't work is just frightening, and is making many of us lose hope that we will trend back to health in time... I just don't know..
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  -I was raped as a child and I have something to say to the Supreme Court: bertha katzenengel  Jun-26-08 07:19 AM   #0 
  - State-sanctioned Murder is always wrong.  tekisui   Jun-26-08 07:21 AM   #1 
  - the OP has guts beyond guts and a conscience that is an example  roguevalley   Jun-26-08 02:25 PM   #139 
  - Thank you for your post.  zanne   Jun-26-08 07:22 AM   #2 
  - k&r  zanne   Jun-26-08 07:23 AM   #3 
  - Agree.  ananda   Jun-26-08 07:24 AM   #4 
  - If anybody Obama should know better  NNN0LHI   Jun-26-08 07:26 AM   #5 
  - He did surprise me  malaise   Jun-26-08 07:28 AM   #7 
  - That's why their Governor put a morotorium on executions.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-26-08 07:36 AM   #11 
  - A Republican governor no less  NNN0LHI   Jun-26-08 08:16 AM   #25 
     - republican governor with blood on his own hands and  mopinko   Jun-26-08 08:43 AM   #37 
  - It's the demagoguery.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:11 PM   #98 
     - yes, that's how I'm looking at it. No one is interested in nuances and logistical nightmares,  Iris   Jun-26-08 12:24 PM   #107 
     - Exactly... it's *nothing* to do with the child, or justice.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:27 PM   #110 
     - Oh absolutely - no one should EVER ask a child to put someone (many times family members) to death.  helderheid   Jun-26-08 02:58 PM   #146 
     - Yep. He has to avoid a Dukakis 'if your wife was murdered' question  NCevilDUer   Jun-26-08 02:34 PM   #142 
        - yep. I was thinking the same thing.  Iris   Jun-26-08 03:25 PM   #157 
  - From what I understand some victims' rights groups support this decision.  Richardo   Jun-26-08 07:28 AM   #6 
  - From an interview I saw with a victim  subliminable   Jun-26-08 07:49 AM   #15 
  - Yes, this was a very interesting perspective on the matter.....  timeforarevolution   Jun-26-08 07:53 AM   #16 
  - An excellent point  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-26-08 08:15 AM   #24 
  - I think their reasons are moral.  Iris   Jun-26-08 12:26 PM   #109 
     - I do too - just not the *same* moral reasons.  Richardo   Jun-26-08 01:43 PM   #126 
  - I cannot even believe that there was such a sentence was passed, let alone be decided by Supremes.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-26-08 07:29 AM   #8 
  - "telling the people that murder on some level is ok"  subliminable   Jun-26-08 08:05 AM   #20 
  - Some murder has always been okay  Chulanowa   Jun-26-08 11:05 AM   #67 
  - i sometimes think  druidity33   Jun-26-08 07:29 AM   #9 
  - I agree with you...  TwoSparkles   Jun-26-08 07:33 AM   #10 
  - I agrree , captial punishment is wrong. Period.  bowens43   Jun-26-08 07:36 AM   #12 
  - But...  gorfle   Jun-26-08 08:10 PM   #178 
  - thank you for your courage to speak out on this  wellstone dem   Jun-26-08 07:36 AM   #13 
  - When you die, I'm grabbing onto the edge of your skirt,  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-26-08 07:42 AM   #14 
  - TBC, that's about the nicest thing  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 08:05 AM   #21 
  - I'm so sorry that happened to you, Bertha.  raccoon   Jun-26-08 07:58 AM   #17 
  - that book left me outraged  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 08:04 AM   #19 
  - thou shalt not 'state' exemptions  spanone   Jun-26-08 08:03 AM   #18 
  - Thou shalt not kill  AlbertCat   Jun-26-08 12:15 PM   #101 
  - what concerns me is the inability to understand  oscarmitre   Jun-26-08 08:13 AM   #22 
  - Another excellent point  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-26-08 08:18 AM   #26 
  - DUers have such a punishment fetish that they don't understand the utility aspect  alcibiades_mystery   Jun-26-08 08:20 AM   #28 
  - SOME DUers. It's like the Moral Majoity, which is neither.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 11:47 AM   #80 
     - yes, some is right. So is loud. It's surprising to see them in any case. n/t  Iris   Jun-26-08 02:03 PM   #131 
  - I wonder how effectively a sentence prevents violent crime like rape/murder  crikkett   Jun-26-08 08:37 AM   #34 
  - I think studies have shown  marions ghost   Jun-26-08 10:22 AM   #51 
     - States with the death pealty have much higher murder rates  Jackpine Radical   Jun-27-08 04:56 PM   #213 
  - Some people just lose all reason...  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:15 PM   #100 
  - If It's Morally Wrong To Kill Anyone  Weezer   Jun-26-08 08:14 AM   #23 
  - I believe it was Carlin also who said,  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-26-08 08:19 AM   #27 
  - Welcome to DU.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:16 PM   #102 
  - death penalty for child rapists  whathehell   Jun-26-08 08:23 AM   #29 
  - That's a very good point.  EOTE   Jun-26-08 08:42 AM   #36 
  - Exactly! The child rapist would just kill the child, if there was a Death Penalty.  Breeze54   Jun-26-08 09:02 AM   #42 
  - If you are fucked enough in the head to rape a small child..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 09:53 AM   #46 
  - Don't hang your hat on that.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jun-26-08 02:23 PM   #135 
     - Selection bias  geekdem   Jun-26-08 05:54 PM   #169 
  - I tried arguing this an another thread  Jakes Progress   Jun-26-08 03:17 PM   #152 
  - I was not, Bertha, but I totally agree with you.  WakeMeUp   Jun-26-08 08:26 AM   #30 
  - I am depressed because this is the country we live in, a country that WANTS to kill criminals  tuggle   Jun-26-08 08:29 AM   #31 
  - Thank you, BK  Dogtown   Jun-26-08 08:30 AM   #32 
  - child rapists deserve to die, but GOVERNMENTS DO NOT DESERVE THE POWER TO KILL THEIR SUBJECTS  unblock   Jun-26-08 08:30 AM   #33 
  - Thanks, and more power to you  crikkett   Jun-26-08 08:38 AM   #35 
  - Thank you for the post. I agree.  DesertRat   Jun-26-08 08:47 AM   #38 
  - Thank you, bertha.  PeaceNikki   Jun-26-08 08:49 AM   #39 
  - iirc, death used to be the punishment for rape in many states. just as folks  mopinko   Jun-26-08 08:51 AM   #40 
  - Death Penalty is wrong.  riverlady   Jun-26-08 08:59 AM   #41 
  - Worse than death  HelenWheels   Jun-26-08 09:27 AM   #43 
  - interesting point  Apollo11   Jun-26-08 12:19 PM   #104 
  - Thank you Bertha. And one thing many people AREN'T taking into  Lorien   Jun-26-08 09:46 AM   #44 
  - Rabid Human Beings  snooper2   Jun-26-08 09:48 AM   #45 
  - "Put down" -- ???  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 10:12 AM   #47 
  - wiped from existence..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:15 AM   #48 
     - Some humans have not evolved to strive for the end of barbarism.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 10:26 AM   #52 
     - Because some of the 310 million people here are sick fuckers  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:35 AM   #56 
        - Perhaps you should examine the health of your own psyche,  MadHound   Jun-26-08 10:47 AM   #61 
        - DNA evidence will prove they are guilty..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:54 AM   #64 
           - Stop that shit right now, OK!  MadHound   Jun-26-08 11:08 AM   #70 
           - See, that's the difference between you and me  snooper2   Jun-26-08 12:27 PM   #111 
              - You didn't address the last point.  ieoeja   Jun-26-08 02:31 PM   #141 
              - it's sounds like this is about vengeance  fascisthunter   Jun-26-08 07:30 PM   #177 
              - Death penalty  cesar008   Jun-26-08 02:45 PM   #143 
              - nah, you just think killing can be justified.  iamthebandfanman   Jun-26-08 03:58 PM   #163 
           - it doesn't help society to kill insane people.  marions ghost   Jun-26-08 11:13 AM   #71 
           - Satisfy the morbid, raging bystanders' blood-lust.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:19 PM   #103 
           - and that doesn't strike you, in any way shape or form  northzax   Jun-26-08 12:20 PM   #105 
              - mentally retarded or insane are one thing...  snooper2   Jun-26-08 12:29 PM   #113 
                 - by definition, maybe not  northzax   Jun-26-08 12:50 PM   #117 
        - Hmmm... No  Gilligan   Jun-27-08 04:39 PM   #212 
     - might feel like justice,  marions ghost   Jun-26-08 10:29 AM   #54 
        - Check my post above..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:38 AM   #57 
  - Take a look at this map.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 11:45 AM   #78 
  - And if they're wrongly convicted? You're OK with murdering innocent people? (nt)  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:11 PM   #97 
  - I sure the hell am not OK with murdering innocent people...  No DUplicitous DUpe   Jun-26-08 06:59 PM   #176 
  - And just who would get to decide who gets murdered?  varkam   Jun-26-08 12:57 PM   #119 
  - i dont think dogs should be put down  iamthebandfanman   Jun-26-08 03:57 PM   #162 
  - Sadly, Bertha, you are far from alone.  Blue_In_AK   Jun-26-08 10:18 AM   #49 
  - Obama's Statement Is Very Depressing  ComtesseDeSpair   Jun-26-08 10:20 AM   #50 
  - You mean the "pro life before birth / pro death post birth" voters...  ForeignSpectator   Jun-26-08 01:20 PM   #122 
  - he's pandering for votes  Skittles   Jun-26-08 02:53 PM   #145 
  - The court was wrong.  janesez   Jun-26-08 10:28 AM   #53 
  - Bertha, you are my hero.  PeterU   Jun-26-08 10:31 AM   #55 
  - My reply is that things are not always black/white - think about how we  TBF   Jun-26-08 10:42 AM   #58 
  - What about the Catholic Priests?  TNOE   Jun-26-08 10:44 AM   #59 
  - I agree with you  MonkeyFunk   Jun-26-08 10:47 AM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-08 11:49 AM   #81 
     - What the fuck kind of statement is that?  janesez   Jun-26-08 11:54 AM   #84 
        - I call 'em as I sees 'em.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 11:56 AM   #86 
  - wow... thumbs Up to You  fascisthunter   Jun-26-08 10:49 AM   #62 
  - I wasn't raped, but I did go through some rather minor sexual abuse  sleebarker   Jun-26-08 10:51 AM   #63 
  - Thank you for taking a stand. I am standing with you.  SalviaBlue   Jun-26-08 11:02 AM   #65 
  - I used to agree, but not any more  northernlights   Jun-26-08 11:02 AM   #66 
  - Yes, but...  ComtesseDeSpair   Jun-26-08 11:06 AM   #68 
  - And since most children who are abused are abused by someone they know, often times family members,  Iris   Jun-26-08 11:57 AM   #87 
  - You agree with Obama on "euthanasia?" Or you agree with him on "cruel and unusual  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 12:28 PM   #112 
  - Despite the propaganda that is usually presented most sex offenders *do not* repeat the offense  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 12:43 AM   #190 
  - i agree nt  lionesspriyanka   Jun-26-08 11:07 AM   #69 
  - There are people who have been unjustly accused of child molestation  El Fuego   Jun-26-08 11:27 AM   #72 
  - I don't like the death penalty for mixed reasons  glitch   Jun-26-08 11:28 AM   #73 
  - I share more than your view on capital punishment-  Bluerthanblue   Jun-26-08 11:36 AM   #74 
  - Laws shouldn't be based on emotion..  skooooo   Jun-26-08 11:40 AM   #75 
  - Excellent point. People who do that would be just as likely to treat these same children as adults  Iris   Jun-26-08 11:52 AM   #82 
  - My opinion isn't based on emotion.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 01:43 PM   #125 
  - If they ARE guilty..  penndragon69   Jun-26-08 11:43 AM   #76 
  - Why should I house and feed a criminal in my own home when I pay taxes to keep them in jail?  Iris   Jun-26-08 11:53 AM   #83 
  - And this statement is...?  LanternWaste   Jun-26-08 12:03 PM   #94 
  - Should be willing to house and feed . . . tell me why.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 12:25 PM   #108 
  - AS i expected..  penndragon69   Jun-26-08 04:11 PM   #165 
     - Don't forget hanged and branded!  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 12:53 AM   #191 
     - Your logic is poor. Your fallacies are two-fold. If you can stop shouting "bullshit,"  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 09:07 AM   #207 
  - Read War Against the Weak by Edwin Black. You sound very much  jwirr   Jun-26-08 06:15 PM   #170 
  - absolutely Bertha! thanks for posting this...  FarceOfNature   Jun-26-08 11:44 AM   #77 
  - What would Jesus Do?  Hail Lama   Jun-26-08 11:47 AM   #79 
  - to murder someone as a penalty for murder is wrong  paulk   Jun-26-08 11:56 AM   #85 
  - I agree with you  noonwitch   Jun-26-08 11:58 AM   #88 
  - In a black & White case Im all for the Death death penalty  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 11:59 AM   #89 
  - that is truly sickening. n/t  Iris   Jun-26-08 12:00 PM   #92 
  - I imagine some people give much more weight to a personal blood-lust...  LanternWaste   Jun-26-08 12:07 PM   #95 
  - A confession isn't always proof of guilt.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 12:23 PM   #106 
     - Exactly  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 12:58 AM   #192 
  - Thanks so much for your post.  cbayer   Jun-26-08 11:59 AM   #90 
  - I agree with you.  undeterred   Jun-26-08 11:59 AM   #91 
  - Hear hear!  EstimatedProphet   Jun-26-08 12:02 PM   #93 
  - Hear hear, Bertha!  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:10 PM   #96 
  - Death Penalty is a slippery slope  windoe   Jun-26-08 12:13 PM   #99 
  - however  paulstylos   Jun-26-08 12:34 PM   #114 
  - Thank you, Bertha.  Jackpine Radical   Jun-26-08 12:38 PM   #115 
  - I so agree with you, Bertha.  Maat   Jun-26-08 12:42 PM   #116 
  - I love you, Bertha!  PelosiFan   Jun-26-08 12:54 PM   #118 
  - And I love you, PF.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:19 AM   #204 
  - there are always cases where someone  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 01:13 PM   #120 
  - "you kill, you kick, you piss" -- WTF?  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 01:37 PM   #124 
  - N/A  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 01:15 PM   #121 
  - Thanks for sharing something so difficult to talk about  libodem   Jun-26-08 01:21 PM   #123 
  - You're absolutely right, Bertha.  oktoberain   Jun-26-08 01:49 PM   #127 
  - Death Penalty never bothered me until I heard what Matthew Shepard's father said....  LynneSin   Jun-26-08 01:52 PM   #128 
  - Not to mention that some of the people who would love to see some killers get the death penalty,  Iris   Jun-26-08 02:07 PM   #132 
     - Don't sign me up for that team  LynneSin   Jun-26-08 03:46 PM   #159 
  - I agree with you and I commend you for thinking this through even though  Cleita   Jun-26-08 01:54 PM   #129 
  - This is one the SC got right, IMO -- and courageous of you --  defendandprotect   Jun-26-08 01:59 PM   #130 
  - I am against the death penalty  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-08 02:19 PM   #133 
  - Any child abuse pushes me damned close, too.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:14 AM   #203 
  - Your strength, your beauty moves me to tears.  duhneece   Jun-26-08 02:21 PM   #134 
  - death penalty should exist but not expanded  PurpleStateVoter   Jun-26-08 02:23 PM   #136 
  - Great post, Bertha  enigmatic   Jun-26-08 02:25 PM   #137 
  - I agree totally  MrScorpio   Jun-26-08 02:25 PM   #138 
  - I used to be against the Death penalty  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 02:27 PM   #140 
  - Thanks for your post..  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 02:48 PM   #144 
  - I can't.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 03:03 PM   #147 
     - My predator  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:13 PM   #150 
        - "Some people think it's a one time thing and with a little therapy you'll get over it."  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:01 AM   #202 
  - Sanctioned murder tells people that revenge killing is ok too, which increases murder because  McCamy Taylor   Jun-26-08 03:07 PM   #148 
  - All that's fine and good  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:19 PM   #153 
  - Thank you Bertha!  judy   Jun-26-08 03:12 PM   #149 
  - It's not revenge it's justice!  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:20 PM   #154 
  - How is it Revenge?  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 03:22 PM   #155 
     - I agree 100 percent!  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:23 PM   #156 
     - No. You don't have to be the victim to exact revenge.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 03:44 PM   #158 
     - Death is an easy way out.  Fox Mulder   Jun-26-08 03:51 PM   #161 
  - Same here and agreed. /nt  readmoreoften   Jun-26-08 03:13 PM   #151 
  - State sanctioned murder is wrong.  Fox Mulder   Jun-26-08 03:49 PM   #160 
  - I am against the deathe penalty in all cases  gaspee   Jun-26-08 04:03 PM   #164 
  - You are a brave and wise person on this  YankeyMCC   Jun-26-08 04:17 PM   #166 
  - You are of course right on this, Obama is beginning to alarm me on  ooglymoogly   Jun-26-08 05:01 PM   #167 
  - I was very surprised to hear my daughter, who was also raped as  jwirr   Jun-26-08 05:17 PM   #168 
  - Progressives promoting the Death Penalty, just like China, Iran,  durrrty libby   Jun-26-08 06:37 PM   #171 
  - This isn'nt about group think...  rainlillie   Jun-27-08 06:33 AM   #196 
     - Yeahh riiight. You keep telling yourself that  durrrty libby   Jun-27-08 10:15 AM   #208 
  - You are so right  slay   Jun-26-08 06:39 PM   #172 
  - Thank you so much for saying that. Another thing the bloodthirsty mob fail to consider:  thecatburgler   Jun-26-08 06:42 PM   #173 
  - Something else to consider...  Q3JR4   Jun-26-08 06:50 PM   #174 
  - I'm with you. nt  rateyes   Jun-26-08 06:54 PM   #175 
  - I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I don't support it in principle...  Elrond Hubbard   Jun-26-08 08:19 PM   #179 
  - Thanks for your honesty..  rainlillie   Jun-27-08 06:31 AM   #195 
  - Perhaps I should have added this: I have in fact wished my rapist dead.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 07:43 AM   #201 
  - It is murder for circumstance........  Klukie   Jun-26-08 08:36 PM   #180 
  - Proud to be rec number 100.  AspieGrrl   Jun-26-08 09:21 PM   #181 
  - Thank you. I agree. n/t  whereismyparty   Jun-26-08 10:06 PM   #182 
  - Obama needs to wise up  nankerphelge   Jun-26-08 10:21 PM   #183 
  - I know I will be in the minority in this opinion here on DU  AutumnMist   Jun-26-08 10:33 PM   #184 
  - I have very strong feelings about rapists  gaspee   Jun-26-08 11:18 PM   #185 
  - Thank you for your statement  suzie   Jun-27-08 01:44 AM   #194 
  - I just came online this afternoon  AutumnMist   Jun-27-08 04:16 PM   #210 
  - Great post..  rainlillie   Jun-27-08 06:37 AM   #197 
  - I hear you on all of that, Bertha. *hugs*  GreenPartyVoter   Jun-26-08 11:25 PM   #186 
  - Whether the DP is morally wrong or not is not the issue  wpelb   Jun-27-08 12:00 AM   #187 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 12:13 AM   #188 
  - This post is out of place in this thread.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 07:32 AM   #199 
  - Europe "dittos" your views.  lebkuchen   Jun-27-08 12:13 AM   #189 
  - Man, our culture is de-evolving in leaps and bounds  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 01:23 AM   #193 
  - Self-serving? No. Not helpful? I agree that my post is not helpful, because  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 07:39 AM   #200 
     - My bad for not explaining better...  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 08:27 AM   #205 
        - Understood, and thanks.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:43 AM   #206 
  - We all need to realize  placton   Jun-27-08 07:08 AM   #198 
  - Thank you, Bertha!  Kajsa   Jun-27-08 11:59 AM   #209 
  - applause!  Gilligan   Jun-27-08 04:18 PM   #211 

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