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Response to Reply #29
152. I tried arguing this an another thread
and was told I was perverted and that my thinking here was bizarre and stupid. That thread was all vengeance peopld. This one has more thinkers.
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  -I was raped as a child and I have something to say to the Supreme Court: bertha katzenengel  Jun-26-08 07:19 AM   #0 
  - State-sanctioned Murder is always wrong.  tekisui   Jun-26-08 07:21 AM   #1 
  - the OP has guts beyond guts and a conscience that is an example  roguevalley   Jun-26-08 02:25 PM   #139 
  - Thank you for your post.  zanne   Jun-26-08 07:22 AM   #2 
  - k&r  zanne   Jun-26-08 07:23 AM   #3 
  - Agree.  ananda   Jun-26-08 07:24 AM   #4 
  - If anybody Obama should know better  NNN0LHI   Jun-26-08 07:26 AM   #5 
  - He did surprise me  malaise   Jun-26-08 07:28 AM   #7 
  - That's why their Governor put a morotorium on executions.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-26-08 07:36 AM   #11 
  - A Republican governor no less  NNN0LHI   Jun-26-08 08:16 AM   #25 
     - republican governor with blood on his own hands and  mopinko   Jun-26-08 08:43 AM   #37 
  - It's the demagoguery.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:11 PM   #98 
     - yes, that's how I'm looking at it. No one is interested in nuances and logistical nightmares,  Iris   Jun-26-08 12:24 PM   #107 
     - Exactly... it's *nothing* to do with the child, or justice.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:27 PM   #110 
     - Oh absolutely - no one should EVER ask a child to put someone (many times family members) to death.  helderheid   Jun-26-08 02:58 PM   #146 
     - Yep. He has to avoid a Dukakis 'if your wife was murdered' question  NCevilDUer   Jun-26-08 02:34 PM   #142 
        - yep. I was thinking the same thing.  Iris   Jun-26-08 03:25 PM   #157 
  - From what I understand some victims' rights groups support this decision.  Richardo   Jun-26-08 07:28 AM   #6 
  - From an interview I saw with a victim  subliminable   Jun-26-08 07:49 AM   #15 
  - Yes, this was a very interesting perspective on the matter.....  timeforarevolution   Jun-26-08 07:53 AM   #16 
  - An excellent point  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-26-08 08:15 AM   #24 
  - I think their reasons are moral.  Iris   Jun-26-08 12:26 PM   #109 
     - I do too - just not the *same* moral reasons.  Richardo   Jun-26-08 01:43 PM   #126 
  - I cannot even believe that there was such a sentence was passed, let alone be decided by Supremes.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-26-08 07:29 AM   #8 
  - "telling the people that murder on some level is ok"  subliminable   Jun-26-08 08:05 AM   #20 
  - Some murder has always been okay  Chulanowa   Jun-26-08 11:05 AM   #67 
  - i sometimes think  druidity33   Jun-26-08 07:29 AM   #9 
  - I agree with you...  TwoSparkles   Jun-26-08 07:33 AM   #10 
  - I agrree , captial punishment is wrong. Period.  bowens43   Jun-26-08 07:36 AM   #12 
  - But...  gorfle   Jun-26-08 08:10 PM   #178 
  - thank you for your courage to speak out on this  wellstone dem   Jun-26-08 07:36 AM   #13 
  - When you die, I'm grabbing onto the edge of your skirt,  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-26-08 07:42 AM   #14 
  - TBC, that's about the nicest thing  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 08:05 AM   #21 
  - I'm so sorry that happened to you, Bertha.  raccoon   Jun-26-08 07:58 AM   #17 
  - that book left me outraged  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 08:04 AM   #19 
  - thou shalt not kill......no asterik...no 'state' exemptions  spanone   Jun-26-08 08:03 AM   #18 
  - Thou shalt not kill  AlbertCat   Jun-26-08 12:15 PM   #101 
  - what concerns me is the inability to understand  oscarmitre   Jun-26-08 08:13 AM   #22 
  - Another excellent point  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-26-08 08:18 AM   #26 
  - DUers have such a punishment fetish that they don't understand the utility aspect  alcibiades_mystery   Jun-26-08 08:20 AM   #28 
  - SOME DUers. It's like the Moral Majoity, which is neither.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 11:47 AM   #80 
     - yes, some is right. So is loud. It's surprising to see them in any case. n/t  Iris   Jun-26-08 02:03 PM   #131 
  - I wonder how effectively a sentence prevents violent crime like rape/murder  crikkett   Jun-26-08 08:37 AM   #34 
  - I think studies have shown  marions ghost   Jun-26-08 10:22 AM   #51 
     - States with the death pealty have much higher murder rates  Jackpine Radical   Jun-27-08 04:56 PM   #213 
  - Some people just lose all reason...  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:15 PM   #100 
  - If It's Morally Wrong To Kill Anyone  Weezer   Jun-26-08 08:14 AM   #23 
  - I believe it was Carlin also who said,  TechBear_Seattle   Jun-26-08 08:19 AM   #27 
  - Welcome to DU.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:16 PM   #102 
  - death penalty for child rapists  whathehell   Jun-26-08 08:23 AM   #29 
  - That's a very good point.  EOTE   Jun-26-08 08:42 AM   #36 
  - Exactly! The child rapist would just kill the child, if there was a Death Penalty.  Breeze54   Jun-26-08 09:02 AM   #42 
  - If you are fucked enough in the head to rape a small child..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 09:53 AM   #46 
  - Don't hang your hat on that.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jun-26-08 02:23 PM   #135 
     - Selection bias  geekdem   Jun-26-08 05:54 PM   #169 
  - I tried arguing this an another thread  Jakes Progress   Jun-26-08 03:17 PM   #152 
  - I was not, Bertha, but I totally agree with you.  WakeMeUp   Jun-26-08 08:26 AM   #30 
  - I am depressed because this is the country we live in, a country that WANTS to kill criminals  tuggle   Jun-26-08 08:29 AM   #31 
  - Thank you, BK  Dogtown   Jun-26-08 08:30 AM   #32 
  - child rapists deserve to die, but GOVERNMENTS DO NOT DESERVE THE POWER TO KILL THEIR SUBJECTS  unblock   Jun-26-08 08:30 AM   #33 
  - Thanks, and more power to you  crikkett   Jun-26-08 08:38 AM   #35 
  - Thank you for the post. I agree.  DesertRat   Jun-26-08 08:47 AM   #38 
  - Thank you, bertha.  PeaceNikki   Jun-26-08 08:49 AM   #39 
  - iirc, death used to be the punishment for rape in many states. just as folks  mopinko   Jun-26-08 08:51 AM   #40 
  - Death Penalty is wrong.  riverlady   Jun-26-08 08:59 AM   #41 
  - Worse than death  HelenWheels   Jun-26-08 09:27 AM   #43 
  - interesting point  Apollo11   Jun-26-08 12:19 PM   #104 
  - Thank you Bertha. And one thing many people AREN'T taking into  Lorien   Jun-26-08 09:46 AM   #44 
  - Rabid Human Beings  snooper2   Jun-26-08 09:48 AM   #45 
  - "Put down" -- ???  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 10:12 AM   #47 
  - wiped from existence..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:15 AM   #48 
     - Some humans have not evolved to strive for the end of barbarism.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 10:26 AM   #52 
     - Because some of the 310 million people here are sick fuckers  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:35 AM   #56 
        - Perhaps you should examine the health of your own psyche,  MadHound   Jun-26-08 10:47 AM   #61 
        - DNA evidence will prove they are guilty..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:54 AM   #64 
           - Stop that shit right now, OK!  MadHound   Jun-26-08 11:08 AM   #70 
           - See, that's the difference between you and me  snooper2   Jun-26-08 12:27 PM   #111 
              - You didn't address the last point.  ieoeja   Jun-26-08 02:31 PM   #141 
              - it's sounds like this is about vengeance  fascisthunter   Jun-26-08 07:30 PM   #177 
              - Death penalty  cesar008   Jun-26-08 02:45 PM   #143 
              - nah, you just think killing can be justified.  iamthebandfanman   Jun-26-08 03:58 PM   #163 
           - it doesn't help society to kill insane people.  marions ghost   Jun-26-08 11:13 AM   #71 
           - Satisfy the morbid, raging bystanders' blood-lust.  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:19 PM   #103 
           - and that doesn't strike you, in any way shape or form  northzax   Jun-26-08 12:20 PM   #105 
              - mentally retarded or insane are one thing...  snooper2   Jun-26-08 12:29 PM   #113 
                 - by definition, maybe not  northzax   Jun-26-08 12:50 PM   #117 
        - Hmmm... No  Gilligan   Jun-27-08 04:39 PM   #212 
     - might feel like justice,  marions ghost   Jun-26-08 10:29 AM   #54 
        - Check my post above..  snooper2   Jun-26-08 10:38 AM   #57 
  - Take a look at this map.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 11:45 AM   #78 
  - And if they're wrongly convicted? You're OK with murdering innocent people? (nt)  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:11 PM   #97 
  - I sure the hell am not OK with murdering innocent people...  No DUplicitous DUpe   Jun-26-08 06:59 PM   #176 
  - And just who would get to decide who gets murdered?  varkam   Jun-26-08 12:57 PM   #119 
  - i dont think dogs should be put down  iamthebandfanman   Jun-26-08 03:57 PM   #162 
  - Sadly, Bertha, you are far from alone.  Blue_In_AK   Jun-26-08 10:18 AM   #49 
  - Obama's Statement Is Very Depressing  ComtesseDeSpair   Jun-26-08 10:20 AM   #50 
  - You mean the "pro life before birth / pro death post birth" voters...  ForeignSpectator   Jun-26-08 01:20 PM   #122 
  - he's pandering for votes  Skittles   Jun-26-08 02:53 PM   #145 
  - The court was wrong.  janesez   Jun-26-08 10:28 AM   #53 
  - Bertha, you are my hero.  PeterU   Jun-26-08 10:31 AM   #55 
  - My reply is that things are not always black/white - think about how we  TBF   Jun-26-08 10:42 AM   #58 
  - What about the Catholic Priests?  TNOE   Jun-26-08 10:44 AM   #59 
  - I agree with you  MonkeyFunk   Jun-26-08 10:47 AM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-26-08 11:49 AM   #81 
     - What the fuck kind of statement is that?  janesez   Jun-26-08 11:54 AM   #84 
        - I call 'em as I sees 'em.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 11:56 AM   #86 
  - wow... thumbs Up to You  fascisthunter   Jun-26-08 10:49 AM   #62 
  - I wasn't raped, but I did go through some rather minor sexual abuse  sleebarker   Jun-26-08 10:51 AM   #63 
  - Thank you for taking a stand. I am standing with you.  SalviaBlue   Jun-26-08 11:02 AM   #65 
  - I used to agree, but not any more  northernlights   Jun-26-08 11:02 AM   #66 
  - Yes, but...  ComtesseDeSpair   Jun-26-08 11:06 AM   #68 
  - And since most children who are abused are abused by someone they know, often times family members,  Iris   Jun-26-08 11:57 AM   #87 
  - You agree with Obama on "euthanasia?" Or you agree with him on "cruel and unusual  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 12:28 PM   #112 
  - Despite the propaganda that is usually presented most sex offenders *do not* repeat the offense  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 12:43 AM   #190 
  - i agree nt  lionesspriyanka   Jun-26-08 11:07 AM   #69 
  - There are people who have been unjustly accused of child molestation  El Fuego   Jun-26-08 11:27 AM   #72 
  - I don't like the death penalty for mixed reasons  glitch   Jun-26-08 11:28 AM   #73 
  - I share more than your view on capital punishment-  Bluerthanblue   Jun-26-08 11:36 AM   #74 
  - Laws shouldn't be based on emotion..  skooooo   Jun-26-08 11:40 AM   #75 
  - Excellent point. People who do that would be just as likely to treat these same children as adults  Iris   Jun-26-08 11:52 AM   #82 
  - My opinion isn't based on emotion.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 01:43 PM   #125 
  - If they ARE guilty..  penndragon69   Jun-26-08 11:43 AM   #76 
  - Why should I house and feed a criminal in my own home when I pay taxes to keep them in jail?  Iris   Jun-26-08 11:53 AM   #83 
  - And this statement is...?  LanternWaste   Jun-26-08 12:03 PM   #94 
  - Should be willing to house and feed . . . tell me why.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 12:25 PM   #108 
  - AS i expected..  penndragon69   Jun-26-08 04:11 PM   #165 
     - Don't forget hanged and branded!  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 12:53 AM   #191 
     - Your logic is poor. Your fallacies are two-fold. If you can stop shouting "bullshit,"  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 09:07 AM   #207 
  - Read War Against the Weak by Edwin Black. You sound very much  jwirr   Jun-26-08 06:15 PM   #170 
  - absolutely Bertha! thanks for posting this...  FarceOfNature   Jun-26-08 11:44 AM   #77 
  - What would Jesus Do?  Hail Lama   Jun-26-08 11:47 AM   #79 
  - to murder someone as a penalty for murder is wrong  paulk   Jun-26-08 11:56 AM   #85 
  - I agree with you  noonwitch   Jun-26-08 11:58 AM   #88 
  - In a black & White case Im all for the Death death penalty  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 11:59 AM   #89 
  - that is truly sickening. n/t  Iris   Jun-26-08 12:00 PM   #92 
  - I imagine some people give much more weight to a personal blood-lust...  LanternWaste   Jun-26-08 12:07 PM   #95 
  - A confession isn't always proof of guilt.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 12:23 PM   #106 
     - Exactly  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 12:58 AM   #192 
  - Thanks so much for your post.  cbayer   Jun-26-08 11:59 AM   #90 
  - I agree with you.  undeterred   Jun-26-08 11:59 AM   #91 
  - Hear hear!  EstimatedProphet   Jun-26-08 12:02 PM   #93 
  - Hear hear, Bertha!  redqueen   Jun-26-08 12:10 PM   #96 
  - Death Penalty is a slippery slope  windoe   Jun-26-08 12:13 PM   #99 
  - however  paulstylos   Jun-26-08 12:34 PM   #114 
  - Thank you, Bertha.  Jackpine Radical   Jun-26-08 12:38 PM   #115 
  - I so agree with you, Bertha.  Maat   Jun-26-08 12:42 PM   #116 
  - I love you, Bertha!  PelosiFan   Jun-26-08 12:54 PM   #118 
  - And I love you, PF.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:19 AM   #204 
  - there are always cases where someone  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 01:13 PM   #120 
  - "you kill, you kick, you piss" -- WTF?  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 01:37 PM   #124 
  - N/A  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 01:15 PM   #121 
  - Thanks for sharing something so difficult to talk about  libodem   Jun-26-08 01:21 PM   #123 
  - You're absolutely right, Bertha.  oktoberain   Jun-26-08 01:49 PM   #127 
  - Death Penalty never bothered me until I heard what Matthew Shepard's father said....  LynneSin   Jun-26-08 01:52 PM   #128 
  - Not to mention that some of the people who would love to see some killers get the death penalty,  Iris   Jun-26-08 02:07 PM   #132 
     - Don't sign me up for that team  LynneSin   Jun-26-08 03:46 PM   #159 
  - I agree with you and I commend you for thinking this through even though  Cleita   Jun-26-08 01:54 PM   #129 
  - This is one the SC got right, IMO -- and courageous of you --  defendandprotect   Jun-26-08 01:59 PM   #130 
  - I am against the death penalty  awoke_in_2003   Jun-26-08 02:19 PM   #133 
  - Any child abuse pushes me damned close, too.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:14 AM   #203 
  - Your strength, your beauty moves me to tears.  duhneece   Jun-26-08 02:21 PM   #134 
  - death penalty should exist but not expanded  PurpleStateVoter   Jun-26-08 02:23 PM   #136 
  - Great post, Bertha  enigmatic   Jun-26-08 02:25 PM   #137 
  - I agree totally  MrScorpio   Jun-26-08 02:25 PM   #138 
  - I used to be against the Death penalty  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 02:27 PM   #140 
  - Thanks for your post..  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 02:48 PM   #144 
  - I can't.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-26-08 03:03 PM   #147 
     - My predator  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:13 PM   #150 
        - "Some people think it's a one time thing and with a little therapy you'll get over it."  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:01 AM   #202 
  - Sanctioned murder tells people that revenge killing is ok too, which increases murder because  McCamy Taylor   Jun-26-08 03:07 PM   #148 
  - All that's fine and good  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:19 PM   #153 
  - Thank you Bertha!  judy   Jun-26-08 03:12 PM   #149 
  - It's not revenge it's justice!  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:20 PM   #154 
  - How is it Revenge?  BigD_95   Jun-26-08 03:22 PM   #155 
     - I agree 100 percent!  rainlillie   Jun-26-08 03:23 PM   #156 
     - No. You don't have to be the victim to exact revenge.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-26-08 03:44 PM   #158 
     - Death is an easy way out.  Fox Mulder   Jun-26-08 03:51 PM   #161 
  - Same here and agreed. /nt  readmoreoften   Jun-26-08 03:13 PM   #151 
  - State sanctioned murder is wrong.  Fox Mulder   Jun-26-08 03:49 PM   #160 
  - I am against the deathe penalty in all cases  gaspee   Jun-26-08 04:03 PM   #164 
  - You are a brave and wise person on this  YankeyMCC   Jun-26-08 04:17 PM   #166 
  - You are of course right on this, Obama is beginning to alarm me on  ooglymoogly   Jun-26-08 05:01 PM   #167 
  - I was very surprised to hear my daughter, who was also raped as  jwirr   Jun-26-08 05:17 PM   #168 
  - Progressives promoting the Death Penalty, just like China, Iran,  durrrty libby   Jun-26-08 06:37 PM   #171 
  - This isn'nt about group think...  rainlillie   Jun-27-08 06:33 AM   #196 
     - Yeahh riiight. You keep telling yourself that  durrrty libby   Jun-27-08 10:15 AM   #208 
  - You are so right  slay   Jun-26-08 06:39 PM   #172 
  - Thank you so much for saying that. Another thing the bloodthirsty mob fail to consider:  thecatburgler   Jun-26-08 06:42 PM   #173 
  - Something else to consider...  Q3JR4   Jun-26-08 06:50 PM   #174 
  - I'm with you. nt  rateyes   Jun-26-08 06:54 PM   #175 
  - I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I don't support it in principle...  Elrond Hubbard   Jun-26-08 08:19 PM   #179 
  - Thanks for your honesty..  rainlillie   Jun-27-08 06:31 AM   #195 
  - Perhaps I should have added this: I have in fact wished my rapist dead.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 07:43 AM   #201 
  - It is murder for circumstance........  Klukie   Jun-26-08 08:36 PM   #180 
  - Proud to be rec number 100.  AspieGrrl   Jun-26-08 09:21 PM   #181 
  - Thank you. I agree. n/t  whereismyparty   Jun-26-08 10:06 PM   #182 
  - Obama needs to wise up  nankerphelge   Jun-26-08 10:21 PM   #183 
  - I know I will be in the minority in this opinion here on DU  AutumnMist   Jun-26-08 10:33 PM   #184 
  - I have very strong feelings about rapists  gaspee   Jun-26-08 11:18 PM   #185 
  - Thank you for your statement  suzie   Jun-27-08 01:44 AM   #194 
  - I just came online this afternoon  AutumnMist   Jun-27-08 04:16 PM   #210 
  - Great post..  rainlillie   Jun-27-08 06:37 AM   #197 
  - I hear you on all of that, Bertha. *hugs*  GreenPartyVoter   Jun-26-08 11:25 PM   #186 
  - Whether the DP is morally wrong or not is not the issue  wpelb   Jun-27-08 12:00 AM   #187 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-27-08 12:13 AM   #188 
  - This post is out of place in this thread.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 07:32 AM   #199 
  - Europe "dittos" your views.  lebkuchen   Jun-27-08 12:13 AM   #189 
  - Man, our culture is de-evolving in leaps and bounds  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 01:23 AM   #193 
  - Self-serving? No. Not helpful? I agree that my post is not helpful, because  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 07:39 AM   #200 
     - My bad for not explaining better...  justaregularperson   Jun-27-08 08:27 AM   #205 
        - Understood, and thanks.  bertha katzenengel   Jun-27-08 08:43 AM   #206 
  - We all need to realize  placton   Jun-27-08 07:08 AM   #198 
  - Thank you, Bertha!  Kajsa   Jun-27-08 11:59 AM   #209 
  - applause!  Gilligan   Jun-27-08 04:18 PM   #211 
 

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