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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. but "beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard used in all criminal trials
the same criminal trials that landed them on death row, even though they were innocent

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  -Did anyone mourn Andrew Cunanan's death? babylonsister  Jun-25-08 11:09 PM   #0 
  - What's the point of this post, I oppose the death penalty because we cannot undo death...  Solon   Jun-25-08 11:13 PM   #1 
  - Do you mourn him? Was he 'eligible' to die because of what he did?  babylonsister   Jun-25-08 11:18 PM   #3 
     - "Should he have been sent to jail instead?"  Occam Bandage   Jun-25-08 11:22 PM   #4 
     - bullshit. He could have continued to kill people in prison  provis99   Jun-25-08 11:38 PM   #13 
        - If he appeared to be a threat to other prisoners,  Occam Bandage   Jun-25-08 11:40 PM   #15 
     - Why would I mourn someone I do not know?  Solon   Jun-25-08 11:22 PM   #5 
     - Mistakes??  babylonsister   Jun-25-08 11:26 PM   #8 
        - There have been many exonerated from death row who were there  Lex   Jun-25-08 11:28 PM   #9 
        - I 'get' that; I live in TX, which is why I wrote that.  babylonsister   Jun-25-08 11:47 PM   #19 
           - but "beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard used in all criminal trials  Lex   Jun-25-08 11:48 PM   #22 
        - But even those who are convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt" aren't all guilty...  Solon   Jun-25-08 11:28 PM   #10 
        - Nowadays, that includes DNA evidence, when it didn't before.  babylonsister   Jun-25-08 11:49 PM   #23 
           - Even that isn't foolproof...  Solon   Jun-25-08 11:52 PM   #28 
        - "if a person is charged and convicted 'beyond a reasonable doubt.'"  Occam Bandage   Jun-25-08 11:29 PM   #12 
           - DNA. Ya gotta love it; that's my standard, and to me, that's  babylonsister   Jun-25-08 11:50 PM   #25 
              - ...and, again, "beyond a reasonable doubt" is the standard of conviction.  Occam Bandage   Jun-25-08 11:58 PM   #32 
                 - Bottom line for me now, after not having DNA evidence for years.  babylonsister   Jun-26-08 12:22 AM   #38 
     - Yes, he should have gone to jail  tkmorris   Jun-25-08 11:53 PM   #29 
  - We should use the death penalty on people who won't be mourned?  Lex   Jun-25-08 11:15 PM   #2 
  - No, but the self-righteous people on DU annoy me at times.  babylonsister   Jun-25-08 11:22 PM   #6 
     - I agree there are people that appear not to deserve to live  MonkeyFunk   Jun-25-08 11:25 PM   #7 
     - "There are some people who absolutely deserve the death penalty"  Occam Bandage   Jun-25-08 11:28 PM   #11 
     - No additional benefit? How about satisfaction at destroying evil?  provis99   Jun-25-08 11:38 PM   #14 
        - If that's what you're after, buy an XBox and smite evil all afternoon long.  Occam Bandage   Jun-25-08 11:41 PM   #16 
        - Don't use moral arguments for or against the death penalty, they just muddle the issue...  Solon   Jun-25-08 11:43 PM   #18 
     - It's self righteous to not support State sanctioned murder now?  bicentennial_baby   Jun-25-08 11:42 PM   #17 
     - I didn't say that, so please don't.  babylonsister   Jun-26-08 12:03 AM   #33 
        - Confessions can be beaten out of suspects, DNA can be planted...  Solon   Jun-26-08 12:05 AM   #34 
           - DNA has never been involved before. OK, I have to run the risk that  babylonsister   Jun-26-08 12:15 AM   #35 
              - DNA testing isn't perfect in itself, it evolved over 2 decades of experimentation...  Solon   Jun-26-08 12:20 AM   #37 
                 - Sigh. I've pleaded my case. If you don't agree, that's okay. This is  babylonsister   Jun-26-08 12:34 AM   #39 
                    - Perhaps not, but then again, you failed to present a reasonable case in any event...  Solon   Jun-26-08 12:43 AM   #41 
     - I don't trust a government that can't build a levee or mend a pothole to decide who lives and dies.  LeftyMom   Jun-25-08 11:50 PM   #26 
        - Wow. 'Too stupid to get out of jury duty'? is how you determine  babylonsister   Jun-26-08 01:17 AM   #42 
  - nope...  CasualWatcher9   Jun-25-08 11:47 PM   #20 
  - Did anyone mourn Andrew Cunanan? Those who knew him and loved him  EV_Ares   Jun-25-08 11:48 PM   #21 
  - I do not support state-sanctioned murder, period.  Democratic Lawyer   Jun-25-08 11:49 PM   #24 
  - "No man is an island, entire of itself...  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-25-08 11:51 PM   #27 
  - Oy.  babylonsister   Jun-25-08 11:54 PM   #30 
  - Snort!  lonestarnot   Jun-26-08 12:15 AM   #36 
  - "Was it wrong to kill him" um... bud...  CasualWatcher9   Jun-26-08 12:41 AM   #40 
  - human error  XRubicon   Jun-26-08 02:19 AM   #43 
  - cool...  CasualWatcher9   Jun-25-08 11:57 PM   #31 
  - Maybe, but who cares?  MrSlayer   Jun-26-08 02:49 AM   #44 
  - PETA did.  China_cat   Jun-26-08 05:56 AM   #45 
  - Killed?  Clark2008   Jun-26-08 06:05 AM   #46 

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