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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 05:18 PM
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76. Weak, on so many points.
Maybe you could just address them as Joe, or Mr. Andrews, or some respectful moniker that *doesn't* make a big deal about the (slight) differences between you?

And then maybe tell a political joke, or a sports anecdote, or something that's ice-breaking but *not* discriminatory or hurtful?

Hmmmm?

Look, on the slight chance you're on the level i'll explain *0nce* why you're not getting it.

I *won't* waste time and bandwidth, so if you're one of THOSE, don't pester me. I refuse to feed the bears.

1. The Far Right hijacked the term "PC" and made it into a negative-concept meme: when they use it it means "arbitrary rules that impede honesty" but what they actually mean is "if you call me out for being a racist, sexist, homophobe, or any other kind of bigot I can counter by calling you a PC-nazi".
Really, PC is your friend. It reminds you not to say the hurtful things that have been said in the past.

2. Repeating a negative concretizes the negative; that is, it makes people accept it as truth. An example is a kid saying "That's so gay!" as a mocking insult. The usage colors the term gay to seem a very undesirable thing, whereas it's very neutral if you're not an interested party (to gays, it's a very positive experience) but with repetition people really don't want to be associated with being 'gay".

The good old days weren't good. When you were born, in the 50s, those men would have made less than you for the same job, even with their 30 years experience. And they were called "niggers" in a very ugly and demeaning way. You don't get it, but they probably tolerated your behavior, rather than enjoying it and "bonding" with you. If you're bullied enough, by the time you're 60 you can ignore a lot of shit.

We're roughly the same age. How the hell did you make it out of the 60s without learning this? In the 50's, as a child, I used the word "nigger". To my deep and lasting shame. I hurt people, and didn't realize how ugly it was, I was just repeating what I heard.

In the 60s, I saw the Civil Rights movement clips on the news, and the hideous racism and brutality of the southern police. And I began to learn.

In Viet Nam, my black brothers feared like me, fought like me, bled like me.

By the 80s my education was nearly complete. Not in jest or earnest will I use that word, or "bitch", fag or any other hurtful, untrue labels.

I still use 'fundy" though. But that's a different lesson.

So, suspending my disbelief that you missed the entire 60s, do you understand now that the Idyllic time you remember never really happened?
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  - I feel this political correct stuff is dangerous . blues90  Jun-24-08 01:18 PM   #0 
  - Yes, if only workplace banter were more like it was in the fifties.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-24-08 01:20 PM   #1 
  - Oh, Yeah!  Dogtown   Jun-24-08 01:26 PM   #8 
     - yep! Lovely to be a woman in an office or shopful of men getting her butt slapped!  Iris   Jun-24-08 01:55 PM   #23 
        - I mean,  Dogtown   Jun-24-08 01:59 PM   #26 
           - omg! This deserves a DUzy award!  Iris   Jun-24-08 02:07 PM   #29 
              - nice to make your acquaintance, iris!  Dogtown   Jun-24-08 02:22 PM   #39 
                 - right back atcha!  Iris   Jun-24-08 02:30 PM   #43 
  - the 50's? You mean when black people were "Coloreds"? Is that PC to you?  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-24-08 01:22 PM   #2 
  - Why don't you head out to the hallway, Toots.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-24-08 01:28 PM   #10 
  - ok, i'll shut my whore mouth now since the men are talking.  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-24-08 01:28 PM   #12 
     - Wow, geez. Somebody's Aunt Flow is visiting. Yikes.  Bornaginhooligan   Jun-24-08 01:29 PM   #13 
     - pffft.  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-24-08 01:30 PM   #14 
     - I didn't know  Gilligan   Jun-24-08 01:30 PM   #15 
     - word!  d_b   Jun-25-08 05:25 PM   #89 
  - That is not at all what I am talking about , you missed the point  blues90   Jun-24-08 01:49 PM   #21 
     - and you think that can happen by making racial and sexist slurs a normal part of daily conversation?  Iris   Jun-24-08 01:57 PM   #24 
     - "It's become where people are bringing things back to the 50's" that's what you said, correct?  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-24-08 02:30 PM   #44 
     - No . I'm saying when you force people you go in the wrong direction  blues90   Jun-24-08 02:51 PM   #50 
        - look, i've been working since high school and there was always plenty of banter  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-24-08 03:15 PM   #59 
     - But you can still do that with your really good friends off hours.  readmoreoften   Jun-24-08 03:04 PM   #52 
     - I think your OP was not well explained, but I get what you were talking about now.  uppityperson   Jun-24-08 03:27 PM   #62 
     - Weak, on so many points.  Dogtown   Jun-24-08 05:18 PM   #76 
     - A Big Smooch For You!  Binka   Jun-24-08 06:37 PM   #81 
     - To Binka and lukasahero:  Dogtown   Jun-25-08 09:25 AM   #83 
     - OMG - who are you and how have I not noticed you before?  lukasahero   Jun-24-08 06:58 PM   #82 
     - What are you talking about?  yardwork   Jun-25-08 09:38 AM   #84 
  - When did saying-  asdjrocky   Jun-24-08 01:22 PM   #3 
  - It did?  smoogatz   Jun-24-08 01:24 PM   #4 
  - Trust me, you'll find out the hard way.  asdjrocky   Jun-24-08 01:27 PM   #9 
  - When people grew up. eom  lukasahero   Jun-24-08 01:25 PM   #5 
  - quite a few 'children' in this world of ours-  Bluerthanblue   Jun-24-08 01:28 PM   #11 
  - This post  Tangerine LaBamba   Jun-24-08 01:50 PM   #22 
  - Well thank you-  asdjrocky   Jun-24-08 02:12 PM   #34 
  - Ok, that's funny...(I'm not a good person...) n/t  SpookyCat   Jun-24-08 03:44 PM   #67 
  - The fun just left  Gilligan   Jun-24-08 01:25 PM   #6 
  - Jesus , I am not talking about stupid N jokes or jokes at all  blues90   Jun-24-08 02:08 PM   #30 
  - Taking you at your word, how is "political correctness" stopping you  lukasahero   Jun-24-08 02:35 PM   #45 
  - PC is good manners. Using bad manners doesn't "allow people to open their minds".  uppityperson   Jun-24-08 03:29 PM   #63 
  - I understand what you're trying to say, I think,  SpookyCat   Jun-24-08 03:42 PM   #66 
  - I really don't think that's what he meant...  SpookyCat   Jun-24-08 03:48 PM   #68 
  - don't ask- don't tell  Bluerthanblue   Jun-24-08 01:26 PM   #7 
  - Why can't the coloreds, the queers, and the crippleds just lighten up  Lex   Jun-24-08 01:34 PM   #16 
  - I know right? If they would just accept that fact that WASPs are superior  Indenturedebtor   Jun-24-08 01:42 PM   #19 
  - Not to mention the bitches and the ho's!  janesez   Jun-24-08 03:11 PM   #57 
  - And all these rules!!! It's taken the fun out of everything.  yardwork   Jun-25-08 09:42 AM   #85 
  - I spent 3 years in the car business. Just got out. Frankly half my days were ruined by non-PC  Indenturedebtor   Jun-24-08 01:40 PM   #17 
  - damn - we need to form a gang and go kick some car salesmen asses!  Iris   Jun-24-08 02:01 PM   #27 
  - Me too! But nothing different about the car salesmen really  Indenturedebtor   Jun-24-08 02:10 PM   #32 
     - that's kind of creepy!  Iris   Jun-24-08 02:17 PM   #37 
     - Yep. If you can "pass", you get to hear all kinds of interesting things.  sfexpat2000   Jun-24-08 02:30 PM   #42 
     - Oooo I bet I know what your favorite phrase is!!!  Indenturedebtor   Jun-24-08 02:38 PM   #47 
     - One of my grammar school teachers kept asking if I was sure  sfexpat2000   Jun-24-08 02:40 PM   #49 
        - What a moron n/t  Indenturedebtor   Jun-24-08 03:14 PM   #58 
     - I have dark brown hair and eyes but light skin. So with my hair highlighted and my green contacts  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-24-08 06:28 PM   #80 
     - Yep. My fairskinned green-eyed Latina partner gets that all the time.  yardwork   Jun-25-08 09:45 AM   #86 
     - Oooh, don't get me started!  SpookyCat   Jun-24-08 03:56 PM   #69 
  - "Manhood", Indenturedebtor????  Dogtown   Jun-25-08 11:19 AM   #88 
  - I get what you're saying.  sui generis   Jun-24-08 01:41 PM   #18 
  - Cogent Post, sui  ProfessorGAC   Jun-24-08 01:46 PM   #20 
  - I agree with you  unpossibles   Jun-24-08 01:57 PM   #25 
  - right on .  blues90   Jun-24-08 02:13 PM   #35 
  - I don't understand why people get so upset about social pressure.  sfexpat2000   Jun-24-08 02:01 PM   #28 
  - Can you still say Queer the Deal cause thats a gray area as far as I know....  Carnea   Jun-24-08 02:11 PM   #33 
  - The difference is that you know when it's hurtful or demeaning.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-24-08 02:09 PM   #31 
  - "PC" is one of those obfuscating terms like "race card".  sfexpat2000   Jun-24-08 02:17 PM   #36 
     - Exactly.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-24-08 02:20 PM   #38 
     - Agree 100%.  Lex   Jun-24-08 02:23 PM   #41 
     - nailed it.  chimpsrsmarter   Jun-24-08 03:06 PM   #53 
     - BINGO!  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-24-08 06:26 PM   #78 
  - I think your getting PC confused with appropriate behavior for comrade's in the privacy  FreeState   Jun-24-08 02:22 PM   #40 
  - do you think this PC actually has changed anything?  blues90   Jun-24-08 02:36 PM   #46 
     - No I think that raising the public consciousness about appropriate speech and interactions  Indenturedebtor   Jun-24-08 02:40 PM   #48 
     - what is your generation ? And how do you know PC has changed this  blues90   Jun-24-08 02:53 PM   #51 
        - Time changes everything. A social focus on awareness changes things faster. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jun-24-08 03:09 PM   #55 
        - Well I haven't conducted a study or anything  Indenturedebtor   Jun-24-08 03:20 PM   #61 
     - Actually I dont believe in PC - to me its a right wing talking point  FreeState   Jun-24-08 03:08 PM   #54 
     - They actually hijacked it  Dogtown   Jun-24-08 05:25 PM   #77 
     - I still don't understand what you're talking about. Please be specific.  yardwork   Jun-25-08 09:49 AM   #87 
  - First things first- there is no such thing as "political correctness."  King Sandbox   Jun-24-08 03:10 PM   #56 
  - It's their excuse for being rude, racist, sexist bigots. n/t  Lorien   Jun-24-08 04:24 PM   #74 
     - "Society tells me that I can't use slurs and stereotypes in jokes anymore...it can't be my fault.."  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-24-08 06:27 PM   #79 
  - Yeah, some women have no sense of humor about it  thecatburgler   Jun-24-08 03:18 PM   #60 
  - To this day, I'm asked if it's really true that I'm Italian  NYCparalegal   Jun-24-08 03:30 PM   #64 
  - 70's, i worked for coca cola and walk into service room, huge picture of naked woman on wall with  seabeyond   Jun-24-08 03:34 PM   #65 
     - While I am not one to be outright rude,  Super Soaker Sniper   Jun-24-08 04:04 PM   #70 
     - Shaping one's behavior to get along in a group is called "socializing".  sfexpat2000   Jun-24-08 04:10 PM   #71 
        - Very true.  Super Soaker Sniper   Jun-24-08 04:22 PM   #73 
     - what has photo's got to do with PC ?  blues90   Jun-24-08 04:20 PM   #72 
        - Some boundaries are good. Keeping people "separate"  sfexpat2000   Jun-24-08 04:25 PM   #75 
 

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