| 41. This Hasn't Been Peer-Reviewed Yet, So It May Well Be Bullshit |
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Apparently this paper has just started the peer-review process. Just because the fellow knows how to do surgery, it doesn't mean he knows how to do statistics. Also, his releasing this info before going through peer review is very, very unusual, and tends to indicate that he's more interested in the limelight than in science. Other large and good studies that actually *have* been peer-reviewed have not found any link, e.g., http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17689954?ordinalpos=... |
| -Mobile phones 'more dangerous than smoking' |
villager |
Jun-23-08 11:57 PM |
#0 |
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If only they could link cell phones to weight gain... |
chknltl |
Jun-24-08 12:05 AM |
#1 |
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What are you thanking him for? You obviously think it's a matter to joke about, |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-24-08 04:13 AM |
#26 |
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?? |
progdonkey |
Jun-24-08 10:49 AM |
#60 |
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Yeah, what progdonkey said! |
chknltl |
Jun-24-08 03:58 PM |
#127 |
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Maybe you should stop eating them |
JackintheGreen |
Jun-24-08 09:01 AM |
#53 |
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Well that WOULD explain why they keep appearing in toilets! |
chknltl |
Jun-24-08 04:07 PM |
#132 |
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Interesting that there's 5 recs but no comments. |
SimpleTrend |
Jun-24-08 12:10 AM |
#2 |
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Well, I was the first recommendation and was going to post that... |
Hissyspit |
Jun-24-08 03:11 AM |
#23 |
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Rec. - no comment |
emilyg |
Jun-24-08 12:23 PM |
#82 |
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Addicts will rec anything that supports their drug habit. nt |
onehandle |
Jun-24-08 03:51 PM |
#124 |
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Not surprising. |
Fenris |
Jun-24-08 12:11 AM |
#3 |
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Kinda like the oil companys and global warming ...... |
doublethink |
Jun-24-08 12:23 PM |
#83 |
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Bullshit |
mconvente |
Jun-24-08 03:40 PM |
#119 |
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From the National Cancer Institute: |
Lorien |
Jun-24-08 04:36 PM |
#135 |
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People who carefully read the article note that it is pretty much a fact now |
truedelphi |
Jun-24-08 08:56 PM |
#173 |
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Link? |
jeff47 |
Jun-25-08 12:27 PM |
#184 |
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I happen to be the living link |
truedelphi |
Jun-25-08 02:16 PM |
#189 |
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Here are several links |
truedelphi |
Jun-25-08 02:22 PM |
#190 |
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Is it more or less dangerous to use Bluetooth-type units? |
Liberty Belle |
Jun-24-08 12:13 AM |
#4 |
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Bluetooth headsets are really low-power.. |
lurky |
Jun-24-08 12:26 AM |
#6 |
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But the Bluetooth headset needs a phone. If these things can cause brain tumors, |
kgfnally |
Jun-24-08 12:58 AM |
#7 |
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I wouldn't freak out yet. |
lurky |
Jun-24-08 01:48 AM |
#18 |
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I agree |
alarimer |
Jun-24-08 07:47 AM |
#47 |
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That's What I Was Trying to Put My Finger On |
ribofunk |
Jun-24-08 11:15 AM |
#67 |
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A single man (a scientist) going up againt a multi-billion dollar industry... |
SoCalDem |
Jun-24-08 12:26 PM |
#85 |
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Claiming to be a scientist doesn't make him right. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 12:55 PM |
#92 |
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Check Out his credentials |
marions ghost |
Jun-24-08 02:27 PM |
#107 |
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Check out his actions, not the alphabet soup. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 02:51 PM |
#110 |
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God... |
marions ghost |
Jun-24-08 03:56 PM |
#126 |
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Maybe he doesn't like logical fallacies. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-24-08 03:58 PM |
#128 |
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what logical fallacies |
marions ghost |
Jun-25-08 10:49 AM |
#178 |
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"argument from authority" |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-25-08 11:27 AM |
#180 |
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You're right. Just because he has credentials, doesn't mean he's an expert. |
AllieB |
Jun-25-08 02:29 PM |
#191 |
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I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else |
marions ghost |
Jun-25-08 05:54 PM |
#195 |
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So then why'd you post htem? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-25-08 06:21 PM |
#197 |
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I would like to convince people to keep an open mind |
marions ghost |
Jun-26-08 10:08 AM |
#198 |
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Good credentials don't necessarily mean a good researcher. |
ColonelTom |
Jun-24-08 08:01 PM |
#165 |
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I've worked with some brilliant scientists at NIH |
turtlensue |
Jun-24-08 08:41 PM |
#169 |
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I'm very familiar with medical research |
marions ghost |
Jun-25-08 10:54 AM |
#179 |
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He's trolling for cash |
jeff47 |
Jun-25-08 12:10 PM |
#182 |
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Either |
marions ghost |
Jun-25-08 05:57 PM |
#196 |
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LOL. |
bliss_eternal |
Jun-24-08 03:37 PM |
#117 |
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I reacted the same way |
Gormy Cuss |
Jun-24-08 01:41 PM |
#100 |
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However, those cordless phones we all use at home could potentially be worse |
justaregularperson |
Jun-24-08 01:42 AM |
#15 |
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Hmmmm |
MattBaggins |
Jun-24-08 02:10 AM |
#21 |
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I think the better answer is to support technologies that limit the exposure |
justaregularperson |
Jun-24-08 03:09 AM |
#22 |
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Wouldn't be so sure... |
ElboRuum |
Jun-24-08 12:55 PM |
#93 |
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The whole thing sounds like ... |
BearSquirrel2 |
Jun-24-08 07:42 AM |
#42 |
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It is the frequency and power that matters. Home units are low power and low frequency. |
LiberalArkie |
Jun-24-08 10:11 AM |
#57 |
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Link? |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 02:08 PM |
#106 |
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And don't forget that the 3/10 of a watt transmitted by a cellular telephone couldn't fry a amoeba. |
FORREST GRUMP |
Jun-24-08 03:10 PM |
#112 |
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High frequency radiation is ionizing radiation and causes harm to tissue. |
Sam Ervin jret |
Jun-24-08 05:40 PM |
#142 |
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I'm confused |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 05:47 PM |
#143 |
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But texting is ok |
BecauseBushSaysSo |
Jun-24-08 02:04 AM |
#20 |
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These laws are ridiculous ... |
BearSquirrel2 |
Jun-24-08 07:44 AM |
#44 |
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Couple of points |
dbmk |
Jun-24-08 08:48 AM |
#51 |
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It's not ridiculous |
reclinerhead |
Jun-24-08 09:00 AM |
#52 |
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Cell phone drivers also seem to forget they are driving, and often end up |
tblue37 |
Jun-24-08 11:07 AM |
#64 |
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I actually saw a guy watching a basketball game and talking on his cell phone... |
MilesColtrane |
Jun-24-08 12:29 PM |
#86 |
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Do you cover the entire side of your face with your arm when you talk to a friend in the car? |
slampoet |
Jun-24-08 10:59 AM |
#62 |
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Darwin is a highly competitive award. |
aquart |
Jun-24-08 11:35 AM |
#70 |
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Amazing how people managed without cell-phones in the bad old days, |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-24-08 04:16 AM |
#27 |
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I loved the bad old days when "work" couldn't find you and |
pokercat999 |
Jun-24-08 06:15 AM |
#34 |
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I don't have a cell phone and never have. But I now am nervous about driving outside of town, simply |
tblue37 |
Jun-24-08 11:23 AM |
#69 |
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They are determined that we should believe that all technological advances |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-25-08 05:18 PM |
#193 |
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that and e-mail |
klyon |
Jun-24-08 12:16 PM |
#77 |
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self delete. |
bliss_eternal |
Jun-24-08 03:18 PM |
#114 |
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I'm sure most of the people I forwarded this to will |
gateley |
Jun-24-08 12:15 AM |
#5 |
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I've mostly stopped using a cell phone because |
Clovis Sangrail |
Jun-24-08 01:00 AM |
#8 |
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I carry a fake phone with fake bluetooth |
The Traveler |
Jun-24-08 01:12 AM |
#9 |
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finally, |
pansypoo53219 |
Jun-24-08 01:14 AM |
#10 |
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Increase cannabis consumption to compensate... |
Mythsaje |
Jun-24-08 01:37 AM |
#11 |
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Well, All riiight! |
nathan hale |
Jun-24-08 07:23 AM |
#40 |
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Wouldn't work |
Oeditpus Rex |
Jun-24-08 06:44 PM |
#155 |
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Bluetooth doesn't have to be in your ear |
MattP |
Jun-24-08 01:39 AM |
#12 |
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That is why I only use my cell phone |
awoke_in_2003 |
Jun-24-08 01:39 AM |
#13 |
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what do you say to a 17 year old about this? |
greenman3610 |
Jun-24-08 01:39 AM |
#14 |
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Make sure he/she uses a low emf cell phone |
justaregularperson |
Jun-24-08 01:46 AM |
#17 |
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Thanks for the list. I was going to trade in my razr v3m |
saddlesore |
Jun-24-08 08:17 AM |
#49 |
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You explain the concept of "junk science" (nt) |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 12:25 PM |
#84 |
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Is that you, Steven J. Milloy? (n/t) |
TWriterD |
Jun-24-08 05:00 PM |
#138 |
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does this mean that I can smoke again without people freaking out about it? |
harmonicon |
Jun-24-08 01:43 AM |
#16 |
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Right ON! |
rucognizant |
Jun-24-08 08:21 AM |
#50 |
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Touche'! |
Lugnut |
Jun-24-08 12:16 PM |
#78 |
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Pregnant? Put Your Cell Phone Use On Hold! |
justaregularperson |
Jun-24-08 01:53 AM |
#19 |
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Almost everyone I see on the sidewalk |
Cobalt-60 |
Jun-24-08 03:21 AM |
#24 |
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I just feel very sorry for people who have to use them a lot in their work, |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-24-08 04:09 AM |
#25 |
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funny you should say that |
dddem |
Jun-24-08 06:49 AM |
#37 |
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Same here. I don't even have a cell phone but my kid does. |
Sequoia |
Jun-24-08 10:28 AM |
#58 |
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I Volunteered @ Denver Dems Last Week |
otohara |
Jun-24-08 12:12 PM |
#76 |
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Personally, I don't buy it... |
crimsonblue |
Jun-24-08 04:46 AM |
#28 |
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Brain Cancer |
otohara |
Jun-24-08 12:16 PM |
#79 |
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It doesn't say what kind of study |
eilen |
Jun-24-08 04:55 AM |
#29 |
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Reminds me of the '60s |
Born Free |
Jun-24-08 04:56 AM |
#30 |
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What infuriates me is that false science, the hand-maid of industry |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-24-08 04:57 AM |
#31 |
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So I guess in a couple of years my brain will look like a cancerous lung? |
trumad |
Jun-24-08 05:52 AM |
#32 |
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I'm more concerned that there is a record of the cell phone's location whenever it is turned on |
Doug.Goodall |
Jun-24-08 05:55 AM |
#33 |
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You have one sick, parasitic business community, and what it gives |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Jun-24-08 06:37 AM |
#35 |
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Has that happened to you for real??? |
dixiegrrrrl |
Jun-24-08 01:44 PM |
#101 |
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They may be - although not because of tumors, but because |
Clark2008 |
Jun-24-08 06:43 AM |
#36 |
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I keep sending these European articles to my kids (ages 10 & 12) who are the ONLY ones |
mod mom |
Jun-24-08 07:05 AM |
#38 |
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NICE, so I can justify not getting a cellphone and instead |
Spock_is_Skeptical |
Jun-24-08 07:13 AM |
#39 |
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This Hasn't Been Peer-Reviewed Yet, So It May Well Be Bullshit |
MannyGoldstein |
Jun-24-08 07:37 AM |
#41 |
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Self-published - 'nuff said. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-24-08 07:42 AM |
#43 |
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Tis the perfect plan for getting rid of, "The Significant Other": give the gift of a Cell Phone...! |
Broadslidin |
Jun-24-08 07:44 AM |
#45 |
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This is bullshit |
alarimer |
Jun-24-08 07:46 AM |
#46 |
| -
Actually there is evidence posted in the OP |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 06:18 PM |
#148 |
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No, there are claims |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 06:34 PM |
#151 |
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Here is the study that the OP referred to, there is plenty of data in it |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 06:38 PM |
#152 |
| -
Ok, got to the first page... |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 06:45 PM |
#156 |
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There is nothing wrong with using press reports and internet content to some extent... |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 07:13 PM |
#157 |
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There is no place for them in a scientific paper. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 07:35 PM |
#161 |
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He did not use them as his primary sources. |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 07:44 PM |
#163 |
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No, he did |
jeff47 |
Jun-25-08 12:05 PM |
#181 |
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More commentary |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 07:30 PM |
#159 |
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Here is a list of peer review journal articles this doctor has submitted |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 07:48 PM |
#164 |
| -
Take a good look at those papers |
jeff47 |
Jun-25-08 12:17 PM |
#183 |
| -
Alright I will respond to the glaring errors in your analysis... |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-25-08 05:24 PM |
#194 |
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A guest on Ring of Fire Radio a few weeks ago said the same thing |
DeeDeeNY |
Jun-24-08 08:01 AM |
#48 |
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Wow! Dr. Carlo can break the laws of physics! |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 12:47 PM |
#89 |
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This is his website |
DeeDeeNY |
Jun-24-08 09:28 PM |
#174 |
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That's nice |
jeff47 |
Jun-25-08 12:32 PM |
#185 |
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Good - this should thin the herd a bit. |
progressoid |
Jun-24-08 09:27 AM |
#54 |
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Not to mention the pollution from poisonous dead batteries in landfills. n/t |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-24-08 09:29 AM |
#55 |
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so should one just kill themselves if they smoke AND use a mobile phone? nt |
Javaman |
Jun-24-08 09:57 AM |
#56 |
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What about the second-hand radiation danger to people around those using cell phones? |
Baclava |
Jun-24-08 10:31 AM |
#59 |
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kick |
ensho |
Jun-24-08 10:54 AM |
#61 |
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These cell phones can pop popcorn, watch this controlled experiment |
whistle |
Jun-24-08 11:01 AM |
#63 |
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Snopes says "fake" |
Baclava |
Jun-24-08 11:12 AM |
#65 |
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Evidence for huge rise in brain tumors? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-24-08 11:14 AM |
#66 |
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Yes, I too was wondering if there is a link that verifies the premise |
Lex |
Jun-24-08 11:39 AM |
#71 |
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Anyone? Bueller?? n/t |
ColonelTom |
Jun-24-08 08:06 PM |
#166 |
| -
I get headaches after talking on my Blackberry. |
BushDespiser12 |
Jun-24-08 11:15 AM |
#68 |
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Me too, but it's usually because of what I'm hearing. |
donco6 |
Jun-24-08 01:00 PM |
#94 |
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I get headaches too |
Tumbulu |
Jun-24-08 04:01 PM |
#129 |
| -
Egg boiling and popcorn popping truth? |
WattleBreakfast |
Jun-24-08 11:43 AM |
#72 |
| -
It's Pretty Low Energy |
ProfessorGAC |
Jun-24-08 11:58 AM |
#74 |
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snopes.com is your friend |
Maeve |
Jun-24-08 12:22 PM |
#81 |
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I have deep suspicions that this is a hoax. Snopes.com confirms. |
tom_paine |
Jun-24-08 04:46 PM |
#137 |
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They are certainly more dangerous ON THE ROAD |
Perry Mason |
Jun-24-08 11:54 AM |
#73 |
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Grocery Stores Too |
ProfessorGAC |
Jun-24-08 12:10 PM |
#75 |
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Absolutely in the Grocery Stores |
Perry Mason |
Jun-24-08 03:45 PM |
#121 |
| -
Don't buy it. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 12:19 PM |
#80 |
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Agreed |
RobertSeattle |
Jun-24-08 12:31 PM |
#87 |
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Generally Agree... But I'll play this guy for a minute... |
ElboRuum |
Jun-24-08 12:52 PM |
#91 |
| -
He's still wrong. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 01:09 PM |
#97 |
| -
As much as I would LOVE to see cells disappear for public health reasons... |
ElboRuum |
Jun-24-08 12:35 PM |
#88 |
| -
Doubling a very small number still leaves you with a very small number |
NeedleCast |
Jun-24-08 12:49 PM |
#90 |
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I have been hearing about this for years. The Wireless Companies are trying to hide the truth about |
BrklynLib at work |
Jun-24-08 01:02 PM |
#95 |
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This is junk science |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 01:16 PM |
#98 |
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Go to this website |
marions ghost |
Jun-24-08 02:36 PM |
#109 |
| -
Alphabet soup does not equal good science. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 03:07 PM |
#111 |
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BAN MORE THINGS! |
NeedleCast |
Jun-24-08 01:03 PM |
#96 |
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Lets see if you find a hole in this reasoning. |
Evoman |
Jun-24-08 01:33 PM |
#99 |
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yeah....but....uhhh..... I mean...errr...umm |
dixiegrrrrl |
Jun-24-08 02:00 PM |
#104 |
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I'll trade six months of my life for the convenience, |
Carnea |
Jun-24-08 01:47 PM |
#102 |
| -
Raise taxes like they do on smokes |
The Straight Story |
Jun-24-08 01:50 PM |
#103 |
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No cellphones in public-places due to the risk from second-hand calling. |
U4ikLefty |
Jun-24-08 02:03 PM |
#105 |
| -
Dr. Khurana's Credentials: |
marions ghost |
Jun-24-08 02:29 PM |
#108 |
| -
Alphabet soup does not make good science. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 03:11 PM |
#113 |
| -
Bush went to Yale. |
NeedleCast |
Jun-24-08 03:20 PM |
#115 |
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Thanks to the closed hearing mandated by the Telecommunications Act of 1996 |
tom_paine |
Jun-24-08 03:21 PM |
#116 |
| -
NOBODY knows about this, at least none of the Amerikan Subject Populace. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 04:13 PM |
#133 |
| -
I am certainly open to looking at your data. Please supply links. You've gotta back it up. |
tom_paine |
Jun-24-08 04:37 PM |
#136 |
| -
Just read my responsed in this thread |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 05:50 PM |
#145 |
| -
Why the hell are people rec'ing this?? |
mconvente |
Jun-24-08 03:38 PM |
#118 |
| -
recommendations are made in an effort to have others read the post. |
lonestarnot |
Jun-24-08 03:44 PM |
#120 |
| -
Phone on Garth! |
lonestarnot |
Jun-24-08 03:45 PM |
#122 |
| -
Nicotine is a hell of a drug. |
onehandle |
Jun-24-08 03:56 PM |
#125 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-24-08 08:44 PM |
#170 |
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Bullshit. nt |
onehandle |
Jun-24-08 03:49 PM |
#123 |
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For god sakes, you people actually believe this shit?! |
CRF450 |
Jun-24-08 04:03 PM |
#130 |
| -
you're joking right? |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jun-24-08 05:48 PM |
#144 |
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And I am sure you are as educated as this "fear mongering idiot". |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 06:28 PM |
#150 |
| -
Awards |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 06:40 PM |
#154 |
| -
The awards are only part of his credentials... |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 07:18 PM |
#158 |
| -
Do some research before you start name calling |
jeff47 |
Jun-25-08 12:42 PM |
#187 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-24-08 07:34 PM |
#160 |
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Wow.... |
kay1864 |
Jun-24-08 11:24 PM |
#177 |
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eforcity.com a great place to find those headsets and save your brain...repubs, sorry too late |
happygoluckytoyou |
Jun-24-08 04:04 PM |
#131 |
| -
Repubs and those who reject science |
Lorien |
Jun-24-08 04:32 PM |
#134 |
| -
They'll go with what they feel and want to believe over any study. |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 05:57 PM |
#147 |
| -
Who needs one more link to the grid anyway? |
DailyGrind51 |
Jun-24-08 05:05 PM |
#139 |
| -
exactly |
blindpig |
Jun-25-08 12:47 PM |
#188 |
| -
LOL yeah right....tinfoil anyone? |
ileus |
Jun-24-08 05:10 PM |
#140 |
| -
I don't think you can dismiss a resume like this simply by saying "tinfoil" |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-24-08 08:52 PM |
#171 |
| -
You're right |
jeff47 |
Jun-25-08 12:35 PM |
#186 |
| -
You had your mind made up before you even looked at the paper... |
MN Against Bush |
Jun-25-08 05:07 PM |
#192 |
| -
wonder what this god damn wireless router sitting here on my desk is doing to me? |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jun-24-08 05:33 PM |
#141 |
| -
It's slightly increasing your body temperature |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 05:54 PM |
#146 |
| -
Thank you for your excellent informative posts in this thread |
kay1864 |
Jun-24-08 11:21 PM |
#176 |
| -
Well ...you shouldn't be smoking mobile phones. |
L0oniX |
Jun-24-08 06:23 PM |
#149 |
| -
Nice! |
Orrex |
Jun-24-08 08:17 PM |
#167 |
| -
Always use headsets. |
Dr_eldritch |
Jun-24-08 06:39 PM |
#153 |
| -
Link to his actual paper |
jeff47 |
Jun-24-08 07:39 PM |
#162 |
| -
My first thought |
djohnson |
Jun-24-08 08:21 PM |
#168 |
| -
Does ANYONE realize that this is all the same ONE GUY CLAIMING THIS? |
TheWraith |
Jun-24-08 08:53 PM |
#172 |
| -
Thanks for this i've heard about this for years |
LibertyorDeath |
Jun-24-08 09:30 PM |
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