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Mon Jun-23-08 04:39 PM
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| 11. Hydrogen fuel injection in a gas-powered car is a proven technology |
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But most of the previous scientific studies have involved a means to capture the hydrogen directly from the hydrocarbon-rich gasoline itself and re-feed it through the intake manifold with the air-fuel mixture. The idea is that it burns more of the gas in the car and creates better gas mileage. J. Houseman of the Caltech Jet Propulsion Laboratory made studies of this under NASA funding in the 1970s, publishing peer-reviewed papers such as "Lean Combustion of Hydrogen Gasoline Mixtures" (abstracts of papers of the American Chemical Society (169): 6-6 1975) and a paper along with colleague D.J. Cerini published for the Society of Automotive Engineers titled "On-Board Hydrogen Generator for a Partial Hydrogen Injection Internal Combustion Engine". There was also a paper of F.W. Hoehn and M.W. Dowy, also of the Jet Propulsion Lab, prepared for the 9th Intersociety Energy Conversion Engineering Conference, titled "Feasibility Demonstration of a Road Vehicle Fueled with Hydrogen Enriched Gasoline."
However, I don't think these older studies tried getting the hydrogen from water through electrolysis, and instead developed devices to extract it from the gasoline and re-feed it into the engine. But the concept of hydrogen injection into gasoline is the same: the hydrogen gas burns a lot hotter and, when burned in the engine along with the air and gasoline will burn the fuel more completely, resulting in more efficient gas mileage. I'd like to see scientific studies about the effectiveness of using water and electrolysis to obtain the small amounts of hydrogen this system requires. I don't know if it's a scam but I try to keep an open mind, especially considering how important it is that we develop more efficient systems for the use of energy. I think we need to study everything.
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| -Fraud, much? "Run your car on water:" |
Redstone |
Jun-23-08 03:14 PM |
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Ha! It's Yahoo. They suck. |
graywarrior |
Jun-23-08 03:17 PM |
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How can someone get away with this? |
simskl |
Jun-23-08 03:18 PM |
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People are getting desperate. |
fiziwig |
Jun-23-08 03:19 PM |
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Demand for bird flu herbal cures must be down? |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-23-08 03:20 PM |
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The process doesn't really run a car with water |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jun-23-08 03:31 PM |
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Good explination.. thanks for that, |
DerekJ |
Jun-24-08 10:49 AM |
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the electrolysis can be energized from the vehicle's alternator/generator. |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-24-08 06:45 PM |
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it takes fuel to turn the alternator. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 06:56 PM |
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but it's using the same amount of fuel... |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-24-08 09:25 PM |
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No, it's not. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 11:05 PM |
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anytime you pass any current through water you produce electrolysis. |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-24-08 11:37 PM |
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Your 105a alternator is not producing 105a continuously. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-25-08 10:48 AM |
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The electricity required to electrolicize water is more than the energy in the hydrogen it yields |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 06:56 PM |
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water is made from the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen. nt |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-24-08 09:28 PM |
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water present in the exhaust but not the intake does no good. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 11:03 PM |
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so what? |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-24-08 11:07 PM |
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Water droplets in the intake charge improve combustion when they vaporize. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 11:19 PM |
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ah! |
wildbilln864 |
Jun-24-08 11:50 PM |
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Mythbusters tested this in their "Great Gas Conspiracy" episode |
csziggy |
Jun-24-08 11:09 PM |
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LOL |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-23-08 03:33 PM |
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Wouldn't That Be The Molecular Power Of Hydrogen? |
ProfessorGAC |
Jun-24-08 09:48 AM |
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Awesome! It makes its own fuel! |
pokerfan |
Jun-24-08 09:23 PM |
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You know what's even funnier? |
jmowreader |
Jun-23-08 03:40 PM |
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I am doing this and it works. |
dubyaD40web |
Jun-23-08 03:52 PM |
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Link to investigative report: |
dubyaD40web |
Jun-23-08 03:56 PM |
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Hydrogen fuel injection in a gas-powered car is a proven technology |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jun-23-08 04:39 PM |
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I think it's Great...after all it's just Hydrogen and Oxygen. |
BlueJazz |
Jun-23-08 03:56 PM |
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Try checking into things before you shoot off and look foolish will'ya? |
Rosco T. |
Jun-23-08 04:43 PM |
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Feh. If it really worked, wouldn't you think the car manufacturers would be offering |
Redstone |
Jun-23-08 05:18 PM |
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I think a reason could be that it's supposedly dangerous |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jun-23-08 05:24 PM |
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Hey, thanks for the info. Those WOULD be big liability concerns for |
Redstone |
Jun-23-08 05:32 PM |
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aint_no_life_nowhere |
dubyaD40web |
Jun-24-08 09:02 AM |
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let me pick your brain a little bit |
madokie |
Jun-24-08 09:15 AM |
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Here you go: |
dubyaD40web |
Jun-24-08 09:26 AM |
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So GM has a terminal that is switch operated that will supply one with several amps |
madokie |
Jun-24-08 06:36 PM |
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Every car I've ever owned had at least one "ign" terminal on the fuse box. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 07:07 PM |
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Yes but not to carry the load that this would require |
madokie |
Jun-24-08 07:51 PM |
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I don't know what system he's using, but here's a link to the most popular form of this booster |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jun-24-08 08:18 PM |
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so how is this doing on your own auto |
madokie |
Jun-24-08 08:37 PM |
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I'm not using a hydrogen booster - I'm just interested in reading about it |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jun-24-08 09:36 PM |
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I see a HUGE problem here |
jmowreader |
Jun-24-08 08:58 PM |
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Another way of doing what you describe... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 11:14 PM |
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Oil pressure sending unit has potential... |
jmowreader |
Jun-25-08 05:02 AM |
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For Any Given Horsepower Output, Wouldn't The Heat ... |
ProfessorGAC |
Jun-24-08 09:58 AM |
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Supposedly the hydrogen is burning more of the gasoline |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jun-24-08 10:58 AM |
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If The Mileage Is Improving. . . |
ProfessorGAC |
Jun-24-08 11:14 AM |
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The burning of straight hydrogen does cause engineering challenges. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jun-24-08 07:11 PM |
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I don't know if the OP technology works, but I think that's a crappy argument. |
janesez |
Jun-24-08 10:53 AM |
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Uh, what would be the benefit to the car companies of "being in bed with |
Redstone |
Jun-24-08 11:53 AM |
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No. Not til they sell all their old inventory. Quite the opposite. |
librechik |
Jun-24-08 11:41 AM |
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The question is..why not use the energy source for splitting the water instead of hydrogen? |
Evoman |
Jun-24-08 11:16 AM |
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"Run your car on water:....." |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-24-08 09:58 AM |
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A guy at work did this in order to disprove it, and he says it ended up working. |
Vickers |
Jun-24-08 09:58 AM |
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He has a billion dollar gadget and isn't interested in selling it? |
pt22 |
Jun-24-08 10:01 AM |
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I haven't noticed any pigs flying out of his ass, no. |
Vickers |
Jun-24-08 10:06 AM |
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No doubt, the same people who think Obama is a Muslim also believe... |
L0oniX |
Jun-24-08 10:08 AM |
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Well, it's working for me. |
dubyaD40web |
Jun-24-08 10:46 AM |
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Good for you that you can afford one of those cars. |
L0oniX |
Jun-24-08 10:50 AM |
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I didn't buy a car. |
dubyaD40web |
Jun-24-08 11:14 AM |
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LOL, this. |
sudopod |
Jun-24-08 10:52 AM |
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"conspiracy theories are just like Lays potato chips; cranks can't eat just one" ...LOL |
L0oniX |
Jun-24-08 06:21 PM |
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The stupid |
sudopod |
Jun-24-08 10:51 AM |
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What? You never heard of Mamet's "The Water Engine" ? |
suffragette |
Jun-24-08 11:19 AM |
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Er .... that may be a fraud, but the concept isn't looney. In fact, it's been done: |
SteppingRazor |
Jun-25-08 10:53 AM |
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