| -You. Will. Not. Be. Able. To. Get. Food. |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-23-08 12:09 PM |
#0 |
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Yes. Grow as many vegetables and fruits locally as possible. And first step will be "no meat" |
villager |
Jun-23-08 12:11 PM |
#1 |
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Personally, I'd be thrilled if the factory farming system went extinct |
Oregonian |
Jun-23-08 12:13 PM |
#2 |
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I've already made the first step. I'm a vegetarian. |
RebelOne |
Jun-23-08 12:13 PM |
#5 |
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Beef uses a vast amount of water to produce, too. |
yardwork |
Jun-23-08 12:31 PM |
#21 |
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Unless you get locally raised pasture fed animals. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 12:48 PM |
#41 |
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out of curiosity, what part of the country is this? |
villager |
Jun-23-08 02:28 PM |
#59 |
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most of the Midwest |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 03:42 PM |
#87 |
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Me too--here in Minnesota |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-23-08 03:44 PM |
#88 |
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yes |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 04:09 PM |
#95 |
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That's for sure |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-23-08 06:07 PM |
#128 |
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it really surprised me |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 08:50 PM |
#163 |
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Where are you located? |
mntleo2 |
Jun-24-08 10:25 AM |
#259 |
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Our first problem is crops burning up; obviously animals as "meat" will end --- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-24-08 11:00 AM |
#265 |
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I think you're on to something with that theory. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 07:33 PM |
#148 |
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I live in Michigan. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 07:31 PM |
#147 |
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shouldn't be too much of a problem here, either |
kineneb |
Jun-23-08 03:15 PM |
#68 |
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I prefer getting mine locally. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 07:34 PM |
#149 |
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We've been doing more-or-less the same thing for years. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-24-08 12:30 AM |
#203 |
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That's true about venison. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:36 AM |
#250 |
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We give a lot to low-income Hmong people who have settled in our area. |
Jackpine Radical |
Jun-24-08 03:27 PM |
#301 |
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That's a great idea! |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 04:25 PM |
#313 |
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The best idea is to just |
eilen |
Jun-24-08 04:59 AM |
#232 |
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The reality of what Hansen is saying is getting to you and you're planning to |
defendandprotect |
Jun-24-08 11:02 AM |
#267 |
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There is a balance you know |
Grinchie |
Jun-24-08 11:55 AM |
#274 |
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True. . . "The Earth In Balance" is distorted by animal killing -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-24-08 12:00 PM |
#276 |
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If we don't eat them, they're going to go extinct |
krispos42 |
Jun-24-08 01:53 PM |
#291 |
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It's your job to eat chickens so they won't "go extinct" . . . ??!!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-24-08 09:13 PM |
#333 |
| -
what is the big difference? |
eilen |
Jun-25-08 08:42 AM |
#341 |
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You can still fish (if your lakes aren't polluted) and raise chickens |
Liberty Belle |
Jun-24-08 10:45 AM |
#262 |
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When I was young, you bought eggs in an egg store |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-23-08 12:13 PM |
#3 |
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I had an uncle who used to sell eggs |
eleny |
Jun-23-08 12:29 PM |
#20 |
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And they call it progress ... we'll adapt ... we always have |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-23-08 12:39 PM |
#29 |
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We have neighbors around the corner who sell eggs |
eleny |
Jun-23-08 03:13 PM |
#65 |
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I'm not surprised you know your neighbors. That's the character |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-23-08 07:04 PM |
#138 |
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We all need eggloos! |
ClayZ |
Jun-24-08 01:55 AM |
#227 |
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I use to drive with my grandpa to the egg farm... I went to school |
midnight |
Jun-23-08 01:05 PM |
#51 |
| -
Some chickens can really smell strong |
eleny |
Jun-23-08 03:15 PM |
#67 |
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When I was young, you literally went to the farm to get fresh eggs |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-23-08 03:45 PM |
#89 |
| -
We have community gardens here in Brooklyn. I worked with one of |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-23-08 07:07 PM |
#139 |
| -
wish we had an "Emergency Preparedness" Forum here |
NightWatcher |
Jun-23-08 12:13 PM |
#4 |
| -
There was an excellent and very informative thread on DU about this maybe a couple months ago |
Oregonian |
Jun-23-08 12:23 PM |
#11 |
| -
there were actually two threads about trying to start a forum |
NightWatcher |
Jun-23-08 12:24 PM |
#12 |
| -
Here is one thread I was thinking of ... There might be another similar one |
Oregonian |
Jun-23-08 12:26 PM |
#16 |
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Thanks so much for that link. Yes, we need an Emergency Preparedness Forum! |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-23-08 12:48 PM |
#39 |
| -
I don't know what happened |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-23-08 12:37 PM |
#28 |
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I don't think I've ever been this scared about the future. |
Oregonian |
Jun-23-08 12:54 PM |
#45 |
| -
Propose it to the Admins. It may be time. nt |
Hekate |
Jun-23-08 03:30 PM |
#81 |
| -
is there a "sustainable living" forum? |
onethatcares |
Jun-23-08 05:02 PM |
#111 |
| -
That's not a bad idea.. |
MadMaddie |
Jun-23-08 10:00 PM |
#174 |
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People better learn how to forage real quick in a scnario like that. |
arcadian |
Jun-23-08 12:17 PM |
#6 |
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I just got some |
countingbluecars |
Jun-23-08 12:17 PM |
#7 |
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i hear it tastes like people...how bad can it be? |
Blue_Tires |
Jun-23-08 01:01 PM |
#50 |
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1 yr. Then my medicine runs out and I die. |
uppityperson |
Jun-23-08 12:18 PM |
#8 |
| -
I guess that's where I'm at as well |
IDemo |
Jun-23-08 12:46 PM |
#38 |
| -
Jerusalem Artichokes |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-23-08 07:20 PM |
#142 |
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Mine is thyroid. Would need a whole bunch of pigs to get their thyroid glands. |
uppityperson |
Jun-23-08 08:35 PM |
#161 |
| -
My mistake... |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jun-23-08 11:39 PM |
#195 |
| -
Interesting problem that affects millions of people. |
Perragrande |
Jun-24-08 01:27 AM |
#220 |
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read 1/3 people in USA have thyroid issues, very sensitive gland |
uppityperson |
Jun-24-08 03:39 PM |
#303 |
| -
It's extremely common. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 04:24 PM |
#312 |
| -
I read an article that said there's a chemical found to cause thyroid problems; |
Liberty Belle |
Jun-24-08 10:53 AM |
#264 |
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Ours won't recover, 1 of us got nuked, other surgically removed. |
uppityperson |
Jun-24-08 03:41 PM |
#304 |
| -
Autoimmune diseases of all kinds are more common. |
Perragrande |
Jun-24-08 05:36 PM |
#324 |
| -
I'll be eating chicken |
corkhead |
Jun-23-08 12:19 PM |
#9 |
| -
Lots of insects are edible, too! |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Jun-24-08 04:33 PM |
#317 |
| -
If deer flies, mosquitoes, horse flies, and Japanese Beetles are among those then I won't starve lol |
corkhead |
Jun-24-08 04:55 PM |
#320 |
| -
well... |
Zodiak Ironfist |
Jun-24-08 08:27 PM |
#332 |
| -
I live on a spring fed lake |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-23-08 12:20 PM |
#10 |
| -
Tell us about your solar freezer! |
janeaustin |
Jun-23-08 12:25 PM |
#15 |
| -
Here it is |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-23-08 12:33 PM |
#26 |
| -
Finally, a top-loading refrigerator! |
eppur_se_muova |
Jun-24-08 04:27 PM |
#314 |
| -
That is so impressive! |
yardwork |
Jun-23-08 12:32 PM |
#25 |
| -
Last year everything was great. This year we are facing famine & global collapse of civilization. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Jun-23-08 12:24 PM |
#13 |
| -
Unless you live in Michigan. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 12:50 PM |
#42 |
| -
Famine in Michigan? How many have starved to death? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jun-23-08 03:16 PM |
#69 |
| -
We're having trouble, which is odd considering how much we grow. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 07:36 PM |
#151 |
| -
it is a travesty |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 09:06 PM |
#167 |
| -
Exactly. I've often wondered that. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:28 AM |
#246 |
| -
Past years were great, only if you weren't aware of environmental changes . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-24-08 11:05 AM |
#268 |
| -
For the last six weeks |
yella_dawg |
Jun-23-08 12:24 PM |
#14 |
| -
steal it from the gluttonous rich |
Neo |
Jun-23-08 12:27 PM |
#17 |
| -
"Hand over your groceries and SUV. We're doing a scientific experiment." |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jun-23-08 04:25 PM |
#96 |
| -
Everyone who can should get chickens. |
SmokingJacket |
Jun-23-08 12:28 PM |
#18 |
| -
Yes, the suburbs and homeowner's associations will have to adapt. |
yardwork |
Jun-23-08 12:34 PM |
#27 |
| -
I'm going to see if I can talk with our city councilman about it. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 12:58 PM |
#48 |
| -
You go girl! I'd love to have a hive of bees outside my condo. |
yardwork |
Jun-23-08 02:05 PM |
#58 |
| -
I'm getting two chickens pretty soon |
undergroundpanther |
Jun-23-08 10:57 PM |
#189 |
| -
I really wish I could do that. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:30 AM |
#248 |
| -
Ironically, in certain cities, such as the DC area, immigrants bring chicken coops to the suburbs. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jun-23-08 04:27 PM |
#97 |
| -
My neighbors had chickens in suburban NJ. |
michele77 |
Jun-24-08 09:18 AM |
#245 |
| -
Think that's bad? |
Tafiti |
Jun-24-08 11:52 AM |
#273 |
| -
We have chickens....only eighteen....we keep five families in eggs. |
snappyturtle |
Jun-24-08 09:28 AM |
#247 |
| -
What do thet eat? Grain? What if chicken food runs out? n/t |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-25-08 12:25 AM |
#339 |
| -
That's. Great. Because. I.Will.Be.Reading. In.A.Malnourished.And. Stunted.Manner |
DS1 |
Jun-23-08 12:29 PM |
#19 |
| -
I have a big enough house - you can live with us (bring your So..) |
OhioBlues |
Jun-23-08 12:53 PM |
#44 |
| -
*jots down name* |
DS1 |
Jun-23-08 07:34 PM |
#150 |
| -
I planted another patch of beans this Morning. |
formercia |
Jun-23-08 12:32 PM |
#22 |
| -
America has one of the largest food surpluses in the world. |
cobalt1999 |
Jun-23-08 12:32 PM |
#23 |
| -
hmmmm |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 05:29 PM |
#114 |
| -
reserves are low because it's deliberate policy to keep them |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-23-08 07:52 PM |
#154 |
| -
correct |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 09:54 PM |
#173 |
| -
No - the US is a net importer |
bhikkhu |
Jun-23-08 06:18 PM |
#129 |
| -
not according to usda. i fell for that same website, but when i |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-23-08 08:02 PM |
#157 |
| -
interesting |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 10:39 PM |
#185 |
| -
it was a forecast, and also in some monthly stats |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 10:55 PM |
#188 |
| -
Thanks. Being close to parity is a comfort. |
bhikkhu |
Jun-24-08 12:20 AM |
#201 |
| -
It is perhaps true on a dollar value, but not on a caloric value. |
amandabeech |
Jun-23-08 08:54 PM |
#164 |
| -
please offer some proof for your claim. fruits & veg from peru & chile |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-23-08 10:15 PM |
#180 |
| -
I would have more interest in looking at your link if you hadn't closed in a snotty manner. |
amandabeech |
Jun-24-08 09:14 AM |
#244 |
| -
the only comment that could conceivably be viewed as "snotty" |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-24-08 11:11 AM |
#271 |
| -
Well the big problem is shipping it... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Jun-24-08 05:53 AM |
#238 |
| -
Find a Community Supported Agriculture group in your area. |
terip64 |
Jun-23-08 12:32 PM |
#24 |
| -
or an agriculture supported community |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 07:06 PM |
#327 |
| -
wow! |
dana_b |
Jun-25-08 12:41 AM |
#340 |
| -
This is usually where some strange DUers attack those raising the issue of OVERPOPULATION based on |
The Stranger |
Jun-23-08 12:39 PM |
#30 |
| -
Overpopulation will take care of itself |
hogwyld |
Jun-23-08 12:43 PM |
#35 |
| -
I was sort of hoping to avoid the part about the "massive global famine, disease . . . war." |
The Stranger |
Jun-23-08 03:41 PM |
#85 |
| -
this is usually where some posters start babbling about the |
Hannah Bell |
Jun-23-08 08:04 PM |
#158 |
| -
yeah |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 12:35 AM |
#205 |
| -
Right on cue. |
The Stranger |
Jun-24-08 11:21 AM |
#272 |
| -
My dad used to say the same crap |
melody |
Jun-23-08 12:41 PM |
#31 |
| -
"There can be emergency systems set in place." |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-23-08 03:41 PM |
#86 |
| -
I've read the Hirsch Report |
melody |
Jun-23-08 04:47 PM |
#107 |
| -
OK, you've read it. |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-23-08 05:42 PM |
#119 |
| -
It's 108 degrees here, Robert |
melody |
Jun-23-08 06:42 PM |
#133 |
| -
Sure. Good luck finding shade! |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-23-08 06:59 PM |
#136 |
| -
Feeling cooler today? |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-24-08 05:13 PM |
#322 |
| -
And, as I figured would be the case, that's where the discussion ends. |
TheWatcher |
Jun-23-08 06:56 PM |
#135 |
| -
Ask and ye shall receive. |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-23-08 07:04 PM |
#137 |
| -
Thank You robert. :) |
TheWatcher |
Jun-23-08 07:51 PM |
#153 |
| -
I tell all my family members that everytime they go grocery shopping, |
cat_girl25 |
Jun-23-08 12:41 PM |
#32 |
| -
I hope you also tell them to regularly USE UP the oldest canned goods |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-23-08 12:51 PM |
#43 |
| -
How long is very long? |
hogwyld |
Jun-23-08 01:25 PM |
#54 |
| -
It seems to vary with the product. I went to my pantry just this instant |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-23-08 01:56 PM |
#57 |
| -
Homecanned stuff only lasts a year. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:38 AM |
#251 |
| -
Every month I buy an extra bag of rice and an extra sack of flour and |
eilen |
Jun-24-08 05:13 AM |
#233 |
| -
strange, isn't it? |
northzax |
Jun-24-08 02:58 PM |
#297 |
| -
But everyone will not go out and do it |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 03:48 PM |
#306 |
| -
doesn't change the fact that you are recommending hoarding |
northzax |
Jun-24-08 04:03 PM |
#309 |
| -
It is not hoarding |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 04:34 PM |
#318 |
| -
I agree. nt |
cat_girl25 |
Jun-24-08 07:54 PM |
#331 |
| -
Plant edibles. Let everything go to seed. |
roody |
Jun-23-08 12:42 PM |
#33 |
| -
Good advice |
conscious evolution |
Jun-23-08 07:18 PM |
#141 |
| -
I started a garden- am learning to can food, and have stocked up on a few things. |
Marrah_G |
Jun-23-08 12:42 PM |
#34 |
| -
Hubby and I really got into canning last year. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 12:59 PM |
#49 |
| -
I have 9 tomato plants - not sure if I should get a few more or not. |
Marrah_G |
Jun-23-08 01:07 PM |
#52 |
| -
I think we're up to ten. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 01:11 PM |
#53 |
| -
Yeah, I wish solar panels were not so expensive |
eilen |
Jun-24-08 05:17 AM |
#234 |
| -
They are looting the world- we need to expose this crap, not find a way to put up with it! |
MartyL |
Jun-23-08 12:45 PM |
#36 |
| -
Holy crap, Robert! I just came from reading this article only to |
Texas Explorer |
Jun-23-08 12:46 PM |
#37 |
| -
On the headstone of the hypochondriac |
melody |
Jun-23-08 03:06 PM |
#61 |
| -
You've got that right. |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-23-08 03:20 PM |
# |
| -
Thanks =)! I was inspired.Buy a t-shirt and help fund my preps =)! n/t |
Texas Explorer |
Jun-23-08 07:20 PM |
#143 |
| -
No, not really. |
SimpleTrend |
Jun-23-08 12:48 PM |
#40 |
| -
Kind of a dumb strategy IMO... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Jun-24-08 06:00 AM |
#239 |
| -
EAT. THE. RICH. (n/t) |
FreepFryer |
Jun-23-08 12:56 PM |
#46 |
| -
their attitudes may taste like shit but they go real good with wine |
Connonym |
Jun-23-08 04:29 PM |
#99 |
| -
Red or white? |
conscious evolution |
Jun-24-08 07:21 PM |
#328 |
| -
!!! |
Blue State Native |
Jun-24-08 09:52 AM |
#258 |
| -
I'm not so sure. I think it'll depend on where you live. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-23-08 12:57 PM |
#47 |
| -
We'll just have to reach out to others if the worst happens |
melody |
Jun-23-08 03:10 PM |
#64 |
| -
And the sky will fall. |
aikoaiko |
Jun-23-08 01:30 PM |
#55 |
| -
Bit of an Alarmist, No? |
ribofunk |
Jun-23-08 01:52 PM |
#56 |
| -
Oh, don't spoil their fun |
melody |
Jun-23-08 03:08 PM |
#63 |
| -
No, actually no |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 03:13 PM |
#66 |
| -
not around here. |
QuestionAll |
Jun-23-08 03:17 PM |
#70 |
| -
Actually |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 01:25 PM |
#288 |
| -
They're hoping for a great die-out in the billions |
melody |
Jun-23-08 03:27 PM |
#78 |
| -
What was the population density and the expectation for dying of old age? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 04:43 PM |
#103 |
| -
We also have a stronger ability to manage our environment than in the past |
melody |
Jun-23-08 04:45 PM |
#104 |
| -
Look at the Maya Collapse for an example |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 04:49 PM |
#108 |
| -
We have the technological capacity to address it |
melody |
Jun-23-08 04:54 PM |
#110 |
| -
Technology will not save us from ourselves |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 05:34 PM |
#115 |
| -
Technology is a reflection of our biology |
melody |
Jun-23-08 06:40 PM |
#132 |
| -
First I did not say we are going to die |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 09:03 PM |
#166 |
| -
We are a unique primate species in a unique situation |
melody |
Jun-23-08 10:04 PM |
#177 |
| -
To me that is magical thinking |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 10:19 PM |
#181 |
| -
To me, yours is reductionist thinking |
melody |
Jun-23-08 11:04 PM |
#191 |
| -
Not quite melody |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 11:48 PM |
#197 |
| -
science has saved us |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 01:06 AM |
#213 |
| -
and science has also gotten us (partially mind you) into this pickle |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-24-08 01:10 AM |
#214 |
| -
I agree |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 01:38 AM |
#223 |
| -
Nihilism! Nail meets head of hammer |
HamdenRice |
Jun-25-08 12:10 PM |
#343 |
| -
"We can manipulate our entire environment" ? Pure mythology. nt |
greyl |
Jun-24-08 12:41 AM |
#206 |
| -
Not in the least |
melody |
Jun-24-08 02:08 AM |
#228 |
| -
No, totally. |
greyl |
Jun-24-08 11:30 PM |
#336 |
| -
What a bizarre argument -- of course we manipulate our environment |
HamdenRice |
Jun-25-08 12:00 PM |
#342 |
| -
100% are going to die |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 12:58 AM |
#210 |
| -
You may be resistant but people in the field of feeding people |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-24-08 01:05 AM |
#212 |
| -
I know |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 01:42 AM |
#224 |
| -
It's also the same people that think a recession or a market pullback is the end of the world..... |
A HERETIC I AM |
Jun-23-08 06:00 PM |
#126 |
| -
yup, exactly n/t |
melody |
Jun-23-08 06:43 PM |
#134 |
| -
I am hoping the population does not double again |
bhikkhu |
Jun-24-08 12:52 AM |
#209 |
| -
There is if you want your children to survive but others to die |
melody |
Jun-24-08 06:41 AM |
#240 |
| -
Who here wants that? |
bhikkhu |
Jun-24-08 10:30 AM |
#260 |
| -
how then? |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 03:35 PM |
#302 |
| -
A birth-rate lower than "replacement" |
bhikkhu |
Jun-24-08 10:18 PM |
#334 |
| -
If I had a nickel for every one of these I'd read. eom |
donco6 |
Jun-23-08 03:38 PM |
#83 |
| -
Hi, ribofunk. |
tom_paine |
Jun-24-08 04:32 PM |
#316 |
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Hi, tom_paine |
ribofunk |
Jun-24-08 11:44 PM |
#337 |
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What about Sci-Fi Channel? |
NeedleCast |
Jun-23-08 02:45 PM |
#60 |
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Maybe, but they will only show reruns, already cancelled series and bad B-movies |
htuttle |
Jun-23-08 03:21 PM |
#74 |
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With Battlestar Galatica wrapped up |
NeedleCast |
Jun-23-08 03:23 PM |
#76 |
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Only on premium. And you'll have to pay for broadcast TV |
Leopolds Ghost |
Jun-23-08 04:30 PM |
#100 |
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Yes. I. Will. |
leftyclimber |
Jun-23-08 03:08 PM |
#62 |
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So. Will. I. |
QuestionAll |
Jun-23-08 03:20 PM |
#72 |
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food is not dependent on oil |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 03:19 PM |
#71 |
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Not quite, quite a bit of fertilizers in the green revolution |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 03:20 PM |
#73 |
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still the same dynamic nadin |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 03:40 PM |
#84 |
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I'm not blaming farming |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 04:45 PM |
#105 |
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They are still in denial about it. It is too late for them to come around. |
The Stranger |
Jun-23-08 05:13 PM |
#112 |
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who? |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 05:41 PM |
#118 |
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ok, yes |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 05:34 PM |
#116 |
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Food production has also increased due to industrial techniques that are not |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 05:44 PM |
#120 |
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There's more to it than that. |
sofa king |
Jun-23-08 06:05 PM |
#127 |
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nitrogen |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 09:50 PM |
#172 |
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No I am not arguing for agribusiness |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-24-08 01:02 AM |
#211 |
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Actually the fertilizers come from natural gas. It's the sulfur in the fertilizers |
Javaman |
Jun-24-08 08:57 AM |
#243 |
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or rock |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 02:24 PM |
#294 |
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one more thing... |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 05:39 PM |
#117 |
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I realize that but if your TOTAL YIELD goes down |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 05:47 PM |
#121 |
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maybe |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 05:53 PM |
#124 |
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Unfortunately I am not talking of the US exclusively |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 05:58 PM |
#125 |
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slippery and meaningless definition |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 07:28 PM |
#146 |
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This slippery definition is the accepted definition under BIOLOGICAL science |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 08:19 PM |
#159 |
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yes and no |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 09:15 PM |
#168 |
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Ok what I gave you was the ACCEPTED definition |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 10:21 PM |
#182 |
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ok |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 11:10 PM |
#192 |
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Use the google to find out just how much nitrogen based fertilizers |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-23-08 11:44 PM |
#196 |
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natural gas |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 12:04 AM |
#198 |
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And that is the point |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-24-08 12:18 AM |
#200 |
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understood |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 12:25 AM |
#202 |
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Yes, at this point peak oil and climate change |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-24-08 12:34 AM |
#204 |
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ok, agreement |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 01:27 AM |
#219 |
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I'm not saying we should let people starve |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-24-08 01:35 AM |
#221 |
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we agree then |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 01:55 AM |
#226 |
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Its all about the green revolution |
bhikkhu |
Jun-24-08 12:46 AM |
#207 |
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I strongly, strongly recommend the book The Omnivore's Dilemma |
Connonym |
Jun-24-08 04:59 AM |
#231 |
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"The green revolution is about supporting suburbanization..." |
Raksha |
Jun-23-08 05:53 PM |
#123 |
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thanks |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 12:16 AM |
#199 |
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No one is blaming farming, but Coporate Industrial Agriculture |
SpiralHawk |
Jun-24-08 07:57 AM |
#241 |
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It's time to get rid of them, too. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:40 AM |
#252 |
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you can't know that |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 12:55 PM |
#285 |
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Food will be sourced locally, if the worst happens |
melody |
Jun-23-08 03:28 PM |
#79 |
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right |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 03:49 PM |
#91 |
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True, however there is a bigger picture |
arikara |
Jun-23-08 03:36 PM |
#82 |
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it need not be |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 03:54 PM |
#92 |
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Right now, farmers use plenty of oil. |
amandabeech |
Jun-23-08 09:24 PM |
#169 |
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of course |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 10:59 PM |
#190 |
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I'm about to have my tiny yard plowed up for veggie planting. If it comes to that, the side yard... |
Hekate |
Jun-23-08 03:21 PM |
#75 |
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Ah, bullshit. Not going to happen. Pure fearmongering, right there. |
Redstone |
Jun-23-08 03:25 PM |
#77 |
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Amen n/t |
melody |
Jun-23-08 03:28 PM |
#80 |
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Is it just me |
LanternWaste |
Jun-23-08 03:47 PM |
#90 |
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Eek, the Rapture Ready boards! |
GreenEyedLefty |
Jun-23-08 04:02 PM |
#93 |
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Yup, bingo n/t |
melody |
Jun-23-08 04:46 PM |
#106 |
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true enough |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 04:28 PM |
#98 |
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Hey, thanks for the info about the bees. I did not know that was overblown hysteria. |
Redstone |
Jun-23-08 05:21 PM |
#113 |
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even the Einstein quote |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 10:02 PM |
#175 |
| -
Sure there was a lot of BS, but are you saying these people are not telling the truth? |
OurVotesCount-Ohio |
Jun-24-08 12:17 PM |
#280 |
| -
no, certainly not |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 02:10 PM |
#292 |
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This is not true |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 03:26 PM |
#300 |
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I talk to the same people |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 03:50 PM |
#307 |
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I went to a regional beekeeping |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 04:46 PM |
#319 |
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I know |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 05:24 PM |
#323 |
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I think the publicity |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 06:41 PM |
#325 |
| -
wow |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 07:39 PM |
#329 |
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my theory |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 03:18 PM |
#299 |
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I am a beekeeper |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 01:39 PM |
#289 |
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right |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 02:26 PM |
#295 |
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So Refershing to See This Here. |
NeedleCast |
Jun-23-08 10:11 PM |
#178 |
| -
I think it might depend on which part of the country you're in. |
glitch |
Jun-24-08 01:23 PM |
#287 |
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There may not be massive famine but there will be a helluva lot of hunger |
Connonym |
Jun-23-08 04:40 PM |
#102 |
| -
Until a comet smashes into the planet, I'll still be able to buy Cheetos. |
Ikonoklast |
Jun-23-08 06:20 PM |
#130 |
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But. Every. Word. In. The. Title. Of. This. Thread. Was. Followed. By. A. Period. |
Telly Savalas |
Jun-23-08 07:27 PM |
#145 |
| -
Oh. shit. I. forgot. about. that. |
Redstone |
Jun-23-08 08:46 PM |
#162 |
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I'm mentally ready-I think-but we still have so much to do. |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-23-08 04:02 PM |
#94 |
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Then we will die. |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-23-08 04:36 PM |
#101 |
| -
oh, come on |
galledgoblin |
Jun-23-08 04:51 PM |
#109 |
| -
that's it |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 05:49 PM |
#122 |
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that personal alternatives work against public ag policy |
galledgoblin |
Jun-23-08 07:36 PM |
#152 |
| -
they wouldn't need to |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 07:58 PM |
#156 |
| -
I've seen ecosystems wrecked by modern farming practices |
galledgoblin |
Jun-23-08 08:54 PM |
#165 |
| -
of course |
Two Americas |
Jun-23-08 09:37 PM |
#171 |
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So. Stop. Eating. Meat. |
Codeine |
Jun-23-08 06:23 PM |
#131 |
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no. I. love. my . steaks. nt. |
conspirator |
Jun-24-08 10:33 AM |
#261 |
| -
And what about the violence involved in that "love" . . . ??? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-24-08 11:08 AM |
#269 |
| -
I couldn't care less. |
Political Heretic |
Jun-25-08 02:43 PM |
#346 |
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What a day. First a $600 electric bill, and now no food. I'm thinking we need to move up the |
TBF |
Jun-23-08 07:11 PM |
#140 |
| -
How do you have a $600 electric bill? |
hogwyld |
Jun-24-08 12:02 PM |
#279 |
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Our house is pretty big but I'm concerned about that too. I think I need to have the A/C |
TBF |
Jun-24-08 03:05 PM |
#298 |
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I have stockpiles of canned food, and am TRYING to learn how to grow a garden |
carlyhippy |
Jun-23-08 07:21 PM |
#144 |
| -
Something's been getting to my beans and basil. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:43 AM |
#254 |
| -
To those growing gardens... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-23-08 07:58 PM |
#155 |
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I've been getting great yields from my square foot gardens. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:44 AM |
#255 |
| -
good yields here too... |
yawnmaster |
Jun-24-08 02:53 PM |
#296 |
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It would be really hard. You'd have to have a couple of acres at least. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 04:23 PM |
#311 |
| -
Alarmist nonsense. |
Edweird |
Jun-23-08 08:27 PM |
#160 |
| -
Community-supported agriculture, anyone? |
otherlander |
Jun-23-08 09:33 PM |
#170 |
| -
We have definitely moved toward being locavores. |
unsavedtrash |
Jun-23-08 10:04 PM |
#176 |
| -
The Moringa tree is he most nutrient rich tree in the world...might save us all |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Jun-23-08 10:14 PM |
#179 |
| -
Interesting, thanks! nt |
eppur_se_muova |
Jun-24-08 04:31 PM |
#315 |
| -
I planted one of these! |
Mojorabbit |
Jun-24-08 06:44 PM |
#326 |
| -
YES I WILL !!! BET ME !!! |
doublethink |
Jun-23-08 10:27 PM |
#183 |
| -
Ya know, I think this is mainly alarmist, BUT |
Lisa0825 |
Jun-23-08 10:29 PM |
#184 |
| -
I'm thinkin' Arby's |
gatorboy |
Jun-23-08 10:40 PM |
#186 |
| -
.. |
skooooo |
Jun-24-08 01:12 AM |
#215 |
| -
The nut that wrote this was telling us to prepare for a Y2K-induced collapse |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-23-08 10:51 PM |
#187 |
| -
My neighbor STILL has her water stored from Y2K... |
Phentex |
Jun-24-08 11:56 AM |
#275 |
| -
My neighbor directly across the street was storing hundreds of containers full of gas in his garage |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-24-08 12:50 PM |
#283 |
| -
something like that did happen around here |
NJCher |
Jun-24-08 03:50 PM |
#308 |
| -
No thanks, I'll leave the minimal research and ad hominem attacks to you. |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-24-08 01:47 PM |
#290 |
| -
Good find. n/t |
tom_paine |
Jun-24-08 04:58 PM |
#321 |
| -
I. Will. Butcher. You. And. Eat. You. With. Fava. Beans. |
tomreedtoon |
Jun-23-08 11:14 PM |
#193 |
| -
Don't. Forget. The. Nice. Chianti. |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-24-08 12:53 PM |
#284 |
| -
Self-unfulfilling |
guyalapatie |
Jun-23-08 11:15 PM |
#194 |
| -
um. i. will . always. be. able. to. get.. food. |
CasualWatcher9 |
Jun-24-08 12:48 AM |
#208 |
| -
All you say... |
misanthrope |
Jun-24-08 01:16 AM |
#216 |
| -
3000 line up for food in Milwaukee...sign of the times to come? |
NYC_SKP |
Jun-24-08 01:18 AM |
#217 |
| -
YEP that is one more sing of where we are going |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-24-08 01:36 AM |
#222 |
| -
You. Mean. They. Were. Not. Able. To. Get. Food? |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-25-08 07:04 PM |
#347 |
| -
Some things to do |
Horse with no Name |
Jun-24-08 01:18 AM |
#218 |
| -
hey horse |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 02:44 AM |
#229 |
| -
Hey there TA...likewise |
Horse with no Name |
Jun-24-08 02:59 AM |
#230 |
| -
my opinion FWIW |
Two Americas |
Jun-24-08 02:22 PM |
#293 |
| -
And... |
solinvictus |
Jun-24-08 05:41 AM |
#235 |
| -
It is wise to consider what your resources are |
eilen |
Jun-24-08 05:41 AM |
#236 |
| -
Corn produces one ear per plant per season |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-24-08 08:38 AM |
#242 |
| -
You can grow a lot in a small space; there's a book on this: |
Liberty Belle |
Jun-24-08 11:00 AM |
#266 |
| -
Better yet, get a sheep to live with those goats. |
knitter4democracy |
Jun-24-08 09:46 AM |
#256 |
| -
Human Population Numbers as a Function of Food Supply - Hopfenberg and Pimentel |
greyl |
Jun-24-08 01:44 AM |
#225 |
| -
Must see the documentary: Crude Impact- says just this |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-25-08 12:22 AM |
#338 |
| -
I dont think many people are truely prepared for it.... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Jun-24-08 05:47 AM |
#237 |
| -
Old news and info. You should have already been preparing by now. |
L0oniX |
Jun-24-08 09:31 AM |
#249 |
| -
Stockpiling food... |
pipi_k |
Jun-24-08 09:42 AM |
#253 |
| -
If you stockpile food, other people will have none . . . BUT . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jun-24-08 12:02 PM |
#278 |
| -
M 2 cents worth |
bonito |
Jun-24-08 07:44 PM |
#330 |
| -
Soylent Green time! |
SoonerPride |
Jun-24-08 09:47 AM |
#257 |
| -
My boyfriend is Chinese. Every time I eat him I get hungry again |
deaniac21 |
Jun-24-08 12:30 PM |
#281 |
| -
FINALLY. Stockpile hell |
sui generis |
Jun-24-08 10:50 AM |
#263 |
| -
Do. Not. Panic. |
windoe |
Jun-24-08 11:09 AM |
#270 |
| -
We left The City, and moved to The Country in 2006. |
bvar22 |
Jun-24-08 12:01 PM |
#277 |
| -
Thank you very much for your informative, thoughtful and positive post. |
robertpaulsen |
Jun-24-08 12:43 PM |
#282 |
| -
Less than 3 decades ago my grandad grew his own broad beans |
baby_mouse |
Jun-24-08 01:12 PM |
#286 |
| -
Everyone I know is food. |
ZombieHorde |
Jun-24-08 03:46 PM |
#305 |
| -
Arby's will never let me starve |
theboss |
Jun-24-08 04:11 PM |
#310 |
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I am not particuliarly concerned about myself |
Nikia |
Jun-24-08 10:39 PM |
#335 |
| -
Kick |
hogwyld |
Jun-25-08 02:38 PM |
#344 |
| -
HOLY SHIT OH MY GOD AND OTHER EXCLAMATIONS OF....oh hell what a huge pile. |
Political Heretic |
Jun-25-08 02:42 PM |
#345 |
| -
pffft |
Chuggo |
Jun-25-08 09:31 PM |
#348 |
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