| 89. Examples of what? Problems? Not catastrophes. |
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Everything has problems that the media (and those with agendas) use to scare the shit out of people. Hell, tomatoes can't be trusted anymore because some may have made people sick. If we listen to fear-mongers, we'll never accomplish anything.
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| -What is wrong with nuclear power? |
ccharles000 |
Jun-17-08 12:38 PM |
#0 |
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Cherynobl comes to mind. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-17-08 12:40 PM |
#1 |
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The reason that comes to mind is because it is one of the only cases where death occured |
no limit |
Jun-17-08 12:51 PM |
#8 |
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We've come VERY close... |
MercutioATC |
Jun-17-08 12:54 PM |
#13 |
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There were no deaths in the three mile island accident |
no limit |
Jun-17-08 01:00 PM |
#21 |
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Everybody talks about Chernobyl, but nobody talks about the context. |
TheWraith |
Jun-17-08 02:25 PM |
#54 |
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I believe you meant your post directed towards someone else. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-17-08 02:37 PM |
#57 |
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No we haven't. |
spoony |
Jun-17-08 05:31 PM |
#87 |
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yeah, but cherynobl was pretty damn deadly. and still is. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-17-08 12:59 PM |
#20 |
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uninhabitable? Where are you getting this from? |
no limit |
Jun-17-08 01:01 PM |
#24 |
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google is your friend. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-17-08 01:04 PM |
#27 |
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wow, 22,000 results. It must be true |
no limit |
Jun-17-08 01:08 PM |
#29 |
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apparently, you have a clear agenda. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-17-08 01:10 PM |
#31 |
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A clear agenda? |
no limit |
Jun-17-08 01:11 PM |
#32 |
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It's a good question and whether we like it or not nuclear energy |
Maureen1322 |
Jun-17-08 01:27 PM |
#37 |
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perhps you'd be willing to live there? |
navarth |
Jun-17-08 07:37 PM |
#107 |
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Great way to ignore all the sources I posted |
no limit |
Jun-18-08 12:30 PM |
#141 |
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Sorry about that |
navarth |
Jun-18-08 01:06 PM |
#156 |
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I work in nuclear field and have been safe always |
panhead1961 |
Jun-19-08 09:24 AM |
#201 |
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So you refuse to get into a car? |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 03:27 PM |
#65 |
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no, I get into a car, but I also don't delude myself they are automatically safe |
Lerkfish |
Jun-17-08 04:01 PM |
#76 |
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Exactly. Every nuke plant in the world that's operated carefully has been safe! |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 04:19 PM |
#82 |
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Cars MAY be as safe as nuclear power plants, however you're overlooking a MAJOR issue: |
MercutioATC |
Jun-17-08 06:03 PM |
#91 |
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But you didn't. (Unless you lived in Sweden at the time) |
A HERETIC I AM |
Jun-17-08 06:51 PM |
#99 |
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Also we have no way to really know how many people have had lives cut short by |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 07:53 PM |
#112 |
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After Chernobyl, people in Sweden WERE advised not to eat Swedish-grown vegetables. |
MercutioATC |
Jun-18-08 12:53 AM |
#122 |
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You know, people still live around it right? |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-18-08 12:32 PM |
#142 |
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wow, I guess that negates all dangers of nuclear power, then. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-18-08 04:34 PM |
#180 |
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Not since then? |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-17-08 01:12 PM |
#33 |
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You are grasping at straws |
no limit |
Jun-17-08 01:19 PM |
#35 |
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And you are stuck in your ideology. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-17-08 01:41 PM |
#41 |
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My ideology is simple and I already stated it. And I am by no means stuck on it. |
no limit |
Jun-17-08 02:09 PM |
#51 |
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Are you implying that nuclear power plants... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-17-08 02:17 PM |
#52 |
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So in response to evidence your argument is that you |
spoony |
Jun-17-08 06:18 PM |
#95 |
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And your argument for evidence is that you have faith. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-18-08 02:18 AM |
#123 |
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no, their argument is assume nothing could ever go wrong. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-18-08 09:25 AM |
#132 |
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No, not at all. |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 01:39 PM |
#164 |
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LOL! I'm a "regressive", then. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-18-08 04:29 PM |
#177 |
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No, not at all (again) |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 04:40 PM |
#181 |
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The amount of superstition you display on this issue |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 01:31 PM |
#162 |
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so which insult should we respond to? uneducated, hysterical, regressive, superstitous, |
Lerkfish |
Jun-18-08 04:31 PM |
#178 |
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Calm down. |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 04:42 PM |
#182 |
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it only takes one |
spanone |
Jun-17-08 04:04 PM |
#79 |
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Sure. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-17-08 05:05 PM |
#84 |
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Depends how you measure death - all the military plant accidents and leaks... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-17-08 07:08 PM |
#102 |
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Chernobyl had no containment |
panhead1961 |
Jun-19-08 09:17 AM |
#198 |
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Negative void coefficients |
sudopod |
Jun-19-08 10:11 AM |
#205 |
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There is currently no way to deal w/the waste ... you can encapsulate it in |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-17-08 12:40 PM |
#2 |
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Yup. I notice many nuclear proponents back east want to send wastes out west. |
havocmom |
Jun-17-08 12:58 PM |
#19 |
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Well, that might have something to do with where the deserts are located |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 02:50 AM |
#128 |
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Hey, there ARE people here in these very remote deserts! |
havocmom |
Jun-18-08 08:39 AM |
#131 |
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Too damn bad |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 12:40 PM |
#146 |
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YOU think MY attitude is selfish? Are YOU using power that creates waste you expect others to eat? |
havocmom |
Jun-18-08 01:01 PM |
#154 |
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I am fine with wind and solar. But neither provides power 24/7 |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 01:22 PM |
#161 |
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So we will keep the water in our own yards too. |
pt22 |
Jun-18-08 12:53 PM |
#151 |
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Betting most water does not originate in your yards |
havocmom |
Jun-18-08 01:07 PM |
#157 |
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Amazing. |
pt22 |
Jun-18-08 01:15 PM |
#160 |
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Yeah, because the desert is just awash in water |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 01:09 PM |
#158 |
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!2" per year and the largest earthen damn in the nation. |
havocmom |
Jun-18-08 07:42 PM |
#194 |
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You mean near rivers? |
suffragette |
Jun-18-08 12:10 PM |
#140 |
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No, when I said 'desert' I actually meant a desert. |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 12:34 PM |
#143 |
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Hanford is located in a desert |
suffragette |
Jun-18-08 02:25 PM |
#168 |
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Well, I did say above that the DoE should learn from mistakes like that |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 03:13 PM |
#170 |
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They build nuclear plants next to water for the cooling capacity |
suffragette |
Jun-18-08 03:42 PM |
#173 |
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What is the point of addressing your complaints if you just ignore it? |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 04:27 PM |
#176 |
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Actually, I responded to your assertions with facts |
suffragette |
Jun-18-08 04:57 PM |
#187 |
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and what happens when there is an earthquake 'out west' |
ladywnch |
Jun-18-08 04:56 PM |
#186 |
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There's one way |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-18-08 12:36 PM |
#144 |
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Sorry, but that only reduces the problem. I remember the debate |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-18-08 02:50 PM |
#169 |
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Simply untrue. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-18-08 03:46 PM |
#174 |
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Sorry, but you can't bury the truth w/BS. Everything you've cited has |
Fredda Weinberg |
Jun-19-08 09:56 AM |
#204 |
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WASTE-is definitely a major reason besides profiteering of the corps who own them. |
mod mom |
Jun-19-08 08:40 AM |
#197 |
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Yucca Mountain |
panhead1961 |
Jun-19-08 09:20 AM |
#199 |
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If you want to have some fun, post that question in the E/E forum. |
phantom power |
Jun-17-08 12:40 PM |
#3 |
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Oi you! |
Nihil |
Jun-19-08 08:37 AM |
#196 |
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When you live 15 minutes by car away from one, & the school asks your permission to give your kids |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-17-08 12:43 PM |
#4 |
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Do they also do fire drills? |
spoony |
Jun-17-08 06:21 PM |
#96 |
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Nothing. Except for that whole "glow in the dark" thing if it all goes wrong... |
truebrit71 |
Jun-17-08 12:44 PM |
#5 |
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Um... |
libnnc |
Jun-17-08 12:47 PM |
#6 |
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I am 19. |
ccharles000 |
Jun-17-08 12:53 PM |
#11 |
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As someone upthread suggested |
libnnc |
Jun-17-08 01:01 PM |
#23 |
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Yes, you shoud look up the Chernobyl disaster |
NeedleCast |
Jun-17-08 03:35 PM |
#70 |
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there are plenty of examples here in the states as well |
libnnc |
Jun-17-08 04:01 PM |
#77 |
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Examples of what? Problems? Not catastrophes. |
spoony |
Jun-17-08 05:38 PM |
#89 |
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Lol, brilliant analogy |
spoony |
Jun-17-08 05:35 PM |
#88 |
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chernyobl in fact occurred. |
Lerkfish |
Jun-18-08 04:32 PM |
#179 |
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with the usa's aging infrastructure we ARE the former soviet union |
pitohui |
Jun-18-08 05:54 PM |
#190 |
| -
Then you simply don't understand what happened at Chernobyl |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 06:07 PM |
#193 |
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There's a few of them |
Asgaya Dihi |
Jun-17-08 12:49 PM |
#7 |
| -
Can we store spent fuel in your back yard? |
MercutioATC |
Jun-17-08 12:51 PM |
#9 |
| -
Ever notice that proponents of nuclear ALWAYS disappear when we ask that one? |
havocmom |
Jun-18-08 01:03 PM |
#155 |
| -
atomic suicide |
jeanruss |
Jun-17-08 12:52 PM |
#10 |
| -
Where does all this "Plentiful" Hydrogen come from? |
A HERETIC I AM |
Jun-17-08 01:49 PM |
#46 |
| -
new periodic chart |
jeanruss |
Jun-17-08 03:16 PM |
#59 |
| -
P.T. Barnum sure called it. |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 03:19 PM |
#60 |
| -
tesla |
jeanruss |
Jun-17-08 09:29 PM |
#117 |
| -
So even Tesla thought Russell was a nut? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-18-08 12:37 PM |
#145 |
| -
lol |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-17-08 05:08 PM |
#85 |
| -
Someone's not a scientist, that's for sure!! (nt) |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-17-08 07:53 PM |
#111 |
| -
Not everything that is obscure is true |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 02:45 AM |
#127 |
| -
Nothing is wrong with it and we should be investing in it... |
cynatnite |
Jun-17-08 12:54 PM |
#12 |
| -
what was that little thing about the waste again...? |
navarth |
Jun-17-08 12:57 PM |
#18 |
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It's a hell of a lot better than hiding under the bed... |
cynatnite |
Jun-17-08 01:00 PM |
#22 |
| -
hiding under the bed?? WTF |
navarth |
Jun-17-08 07:35 PM |
#106 |
| -
I'm OK with burying it inside a mountain |
anigbrowl |
Jun-17-08 01:14 PM |
#34 |
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Do you have a mountain you would like to donate? |
roody |
Jun-17-08 06:07 PM |
#93 |
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There's a lot of mountains. I'm sure a suitable one can be found somewhere. |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 02:32 AM |
#126 |
| -
Launch it into space! n/t |
TCJ70 |
Jun-17-08 01:42 PM |
#42 |
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Seconded. |
SteppingRazor |
Jun-17-08 03:29 PM |
#66 |
| -
And if there is an accident that scatters the payload.?.... |
hedgehog |
Jun-17-08 04:07 PM |
#80 |
| -
You forgot the sarcasm sign. |
tomeboy |
Jun-17-08 04:12 PM |
#81 |
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Cost. |
enough |
Jun-17-08 12:55 PM |
#14 |
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Thanks everyone. |
ccharles000 |
Jun-17-08 12:55 PM |
#15 |
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If you dig a bit deeper, there are numerous really bad problems. |
navarth |
Jun-17-08 12:55 PM |
#16 |
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These are not as bad as you think |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 02:58 AM |
#129 |
| -
It's not a renewable energy source? |
Terran |
Jun-17-08 12:56 PM |
#17 |
| -
too much waste |
mdmc |
Jun-17-08 01:01 PM |
#25 |
| -
Nuclear power is the death penalty of energy sources. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-17-08 01:01 PM |
#26 |
| -
leaks at a plant historically have not been reported. |
senaca |
Jun-17-08 01:36 PM |
#39 |
| -
Thank you. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-17-08 01:40 PM |
#40 |
| -
The Hanford site in Washington state produced nuclear weapons. |
Eric J in MN |
Jun-17-08 01:59 PM |
#50 |
| -
Hanford speaks to the trust factor or lack thereof. |
senaca |
Jun-17-08 04:55 PM |
#83 |
| -
Then the same goes for health care, social security, education... |
spoony |
Jun-17-08 05:43 PM |
#90 |
| -
Very republican of you to twist it the way you did! n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-18-08 02:20 AM |
#125 |
| -
No, it's a fair rebuttal. |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 12:46 PM |
#150 |
| -
Very...incoherent of you to say so. |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 01:40 PM |
#165 |
| -
Your argument is the strongest one I've seen |
varelse |
Jun-17-08 08:04 PM |
#114 |
| -
Reminds me of those drug ads. |
baldguy |
Jun-17-08 01:06 PM |
#28 |
| -
the waste is being dealt with by denial- not a good solution- |
Bluerthanblue |
Jun-17-08 01:09 PM |
#30 |
| -
Earlier nuclear power plants designs were so unsafe |
SergeyDovlatov |
Jun-17-08 01:20 PM |
#36 |
| -
Everything else aside...and people should reflect on this.. |
truth2power |
Jun-17-08 01:28 PM |
#38 |
| -
That's crazy witch talk. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-17-08 01:42 PM |
#44 |
| -
... |
truth2power |
Jun-17-08 06:56 PM |
#100 |
| -
I'm joking. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-18-08 02:19 AM |
#124 |
| -
And then there is the sun, which in the Southwest we have plenty of. It's |
Cleita |
Jun-17-08 01:55 PM |
#48 |
| -
And under ideal conditions you can get about 100 watts per square meter |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 03:24 PM |
#63 |
| -
We have an Environment/Energy Forum here at DU. |
Cleita |
Jun-17-08 03:32 PM |
#68 |
| -
I don't need a forum to find out how much solar energy falls on the earth's surface. |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 03:44 PM |
#71 |
| -
Pwnage! :-) |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 03:01 AM |
#130 |
| -
Here is some info from U of Oregon |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 05:23 PM |
#86 |
| -
hadn't thought about it that way, but......yeah....... eom |
ladywnch |
Jun-18-08 05:11 PM |
#188 |
| -
uhhhhh.......its evil! |
poliscifanboy |
Jun-17-08 01:42 PM |
#43 |
| -
nothing except greed |
GTRMAN |
Jun-17-08 01:48 PM |
#45 |
| -
There are many things wrong but on the top of my list is |
Cleita |
Jun-17-08 01:53 PM |
#47 |
| -
Nueclear power and CO2 - Nuclear power is promoted as a way to |
raincity_calling |
Jun-17-08 01:57 PM |
#49 |
| -
Not a thing at all, other than ... |
damntexdem |
Jun-17-08 02:24 PM |
#53 |
| -
Two big problems, |
MadHound |
Jun-17-08 02:25 PM |
#55 |
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There really isn't one. But a lot of older people have emotional baggage |
Carnea |
Jun-17-08 02:32 PM |
#56 |
| -
Excellent point. To some, it's like seeing their deity exposed as a child molester. |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 03:26 PM |
#64 |
| -
would you like to be bludgeoned to death with facts, or are you comfortable in your ignorance? n/t |
greyhound1966 |
Jun-17-08 10:51 PM |
#121 |
| -
56 posts and no one's mentioned weapons proliferation? |
KamaAina |
Jun-17-08 02:39 PM |
#58 |
| -
The US already has enough nukes, and "wrong hands," to |
spoony |
Jun-17-08 06:13 PM |
#94 |
| -
It's not perfect but it beats the shit out of whatever else we will have when the oil is gone. |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 03:20 PM |
#61 |
| -
Nuclear waste. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-17-08 03:21 PM |
#62 |
| -
I am 100% in favor of nuclear power |
singilarpoint |
Jun-17-08 03:33 PM |
#69 |
| -
Yeah but those 93 million mile extension cords are hell to untangle. |
pt22 |
Jun-17-08 03:46 PM |
#72 |
| -
LOL! nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-17-08 06:59 PM |
#101 |
| -
Fusion not fission. n/t |
greyhound1966 |
Jun-17-08 10:48 PM |
#120 |
| -
I think it should be on the table |
LanternWaste |
Jun-17-08 03:32 PM |
#67 |
| -
It's Very Safe, the downside is the storage of waste |
NeedleCast |
Jun-17-08 03:48 PM |
#73 |
| -
Media-inflated fear of the improbable. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-17-08 03:49 PM |
#74 |
| -
Yup! |
NeedleCast |
Jun-17-08 03:59 PM |
#75 |
| -
Would you play Russian roulette with 10,000 bullets? Would you play it every day? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-17-08 07:13 PM |
#104 |
| -
Depends on the number of chambers, the reward for playing, and the alternative to playing. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-17-08 07:34 PM |
#105 |
| -
Don't I do that by driving every day? |
theboss |
Jun-18-08 11:05 AM |
#137 |
| -
We're having a discussion of it right now. Such as it is, on an Internet board. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-18-08 04:25 PM |
#175 |
| -
the waste has a shelf life of hundreds of thousands of years...other than that... |
spanone |
Jun-17-08 04:03 PM |
#78 |
| -
A lot less wrong than there was 30 or 40 years ago |
slackmaster |
Jun-17-08 06:05 PM |
#92 |
| -
Big Problems |
intaglio |
Jun-17-08 06:47 PM |
#97 |
| -
I think it is cost prohibitive |
NNN0LHI |
Jun-17-08 06:49 PM |
#98 |
| -
Low risk, but of total disaster, plus mountains of radioactive waste. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-17-08 07:10 PM |
#103 |
| -
I do not have an issue with Nuclear Power... |
and-justice-for-all |
Jun-17-08 07:39 PM |
#108 |
| -
Take all the money you want to waste on nuclear |
navarth |
Jun-17-08 07:48 PM |
#109 |
| -
Very little, actually. It's a temporary solution because uranium ore is in limited supply |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-17-08 07:50 PM |
#110 |
| -
Stuff I learned from the pro-nuke crowd... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-17-08 07:55 PM |
#113 |
| -
The terrible thing is you thought this was clever enough to |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 04:49 PM |
#185 |
| -
ccharles000 your mom said she wants you to clean your room and get a job |
Phred42 |
Jun-17-08 08:04 PM |
#115 |
| -
The guy asks honest questions and you treat him like that? |
navarth |
Jun-18-08 10:14 AM |
#133 |
| -
I didn't take that as an honest question |
Phred42 |
Jun-18-08 10:23 AM |
#134 |
| -
WTF |
navarth |
Jun-18-08 10:44 AM |
#136 |
| -
Why are you being such a prick to him? |
pt22 |
Jun-18-08 01:11 PM |
#159 |
| -
Very adult of you. |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 04:44 PM |
#183 |
| -
Do you want children? Do you want them to have children? |
XOKCowboy |
Jun-17-08 08:12 PM |
#116 |
| -
I think it can be safely stored |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 01:39 PM |
#163 |
| -
Nice postulation but do you have any proof? |
XOKCowboy |
Jun-18-08 03:16 PM |
#171 |
| -
Yikes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MUST READ |
Old Hickory Fan |
Jun-17-08 09:33 PM |
#118 |
| -
No one knows how to dispose of the entire PLANT when it starts |
DebJ |
Jun-17-08 09:38 PM |
#119 |
| -
Iran seems to be doing a good job with it. |
deaniac21 |
Jun-18-08 10:27 AM |
#135 |
| -
Want to know why nuclear power is actually fairly trust-worthy? |
theboss |
Jun-18-08 11:07 AM |
#138 |
| -
Lies! It is federal government insured after the first 10 billion. That wont pay for a fraction |
McCamy Taylor |
Jun-18-08 06:05 PM |
#192 |
| -
no problem at all |
leftofthedial |
Jun-18-08 11:13 AM |
#139 |
| -
Besides problems with human error and nuclear waste already mentioned... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-18-08 12:41 PM |
#147 |
| -
Wow. |
GaYellowDawg |
Jun-18-08 12:43 PM |
#148 |
| -
The counterpoint to that... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Jun-18-08 12:45 PM |
#149 |
| -
It hasn't been profitable because the price of oil has been low |
anigbrowl |
Jun-18-08 12:55 PM |
#152 |
| -
For those for it, can the plant be placed in your home town? |
kiranon |
Jun-18-08 12:55 PM |
#153 |
| -
Sure |
high density |
Jun-18-08 01:49 PM |
#167 |
| -
Er, you are equating nuclear power plants with bomb testing? |
pt22 |
Jun-18-08 03:36 PM |
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Oh, brother. Nuke plants do not = nuclear weapons |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 04:46 PM |
#184 |
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Good question |
high density |
Jun-18-08 01:46 PM |
#166 |
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the laws of physics mean the problem of nuclear waste CAN'T be solved |
pitohui |
Jun-18-08 05:51 PM |
#189 |
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"probably because of leaks from a nearby nuclear reactor, don't you think?" |
spoony |
Jun-18-08 06:01 PM |
#191 |
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Assuming it's Long Island s/he's talking about |
sir pball |
Jun-19-08 10:14 AM |
#206 |
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Radon from decomposing granite is all around |
panhead1961 |
Jun-19-08 09:29 AM |
#203 |
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Ditto. 100%. |
HypnoToad |
Jun-18-08 07:43 PM |
#195 |
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Why not use renewables to the max instead? something like 71 sq miles of solar |
yurbud |
Jun-19-08 09:24 AM |
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oil & power companies like nuke because it can be monopolized--wind & solar can be dispersed |
yurbud |
Jun-19-08 09:27 AM |
#202 |
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