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116. It is one reason I decided to support Obama
Because I think that when the hull finally starts collapsing, Obama will will react appropriately.

At that point, someone will have to stand up and tell the nation that the party that has gone on since the 1950's is over. Cheap energy is gone, the dollar is in the crapper, China and the EU have decoupled and we are on our own with little oil and no manufacturing base to speak of. Oh, and your thirty mile one way commute to work in an automobile? So 20th Century.

We will need someone who can translate
"the long emergency" into a speech, and not have the whole nation
start practicing 9mm relay races.

In short, we need someone who can stand like Roosevelt stood, like Churchill stood, and rallied their respective nation to a heroic struggle, and a hard won victory.

I believe Barack Obama is that person. And I believe that time may be before November.
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  - bwah!  kath   Jun-15-08 07:44 PM   #13 
  - Well, the awake don't treat it as real so I'm going back to sleep.  HypnoToad   Jun-15-08 07:52 PM   #15 
  - Took the blue pill, did we? n/t  arendt   Jun-15-08 08:06 PM   #18 
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  - I do not understand that  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 08:16 PM   #21 
  - You may be right  formercia   Jun-16-08 01:38 PM   #102 
     - Its amazing what happens when threads go on long enough. Thanks. :-) n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 02:09 PM   #103 
        - My pleasure.  formercia   Jun-16-08 02:30 PM   #107 
  - very well articulated. I often find that my contempt for enablers actually exceeds  burythehatchet   Jun-15-08 07:06 PM   #3 
  - Yeah, traitors are worse than honest enemies. Slimy is worse than vile. n/t  arendt   Jun-15-08 07:09 PM   #4 
     - Admit it: You will miss George W. Bush.  JackRiddler   Jun-16-08 12:10 AM   #40 
  - I wrote this a while back... it ties in with your piece  ixion   Jun-15-08 07:10 PM   #5 
  - Like your customized journal page! Yes. You wrote what I started to, and gave up on...  arendt   Jun-15-08 07:17 PM   #6 
  - thanks, glad I could help out...  ixion   Jun-15-08 07:39 PM   #11 
  - The truth is this has very little to do with it  Tech 9   Jun-15-08 08:51 PM   #25 
     - You have no idea where I was going with autopoesis; but you sound intelligent...  arendt   Jun-15-08 08:59 PM   #27 
     - Its a one way trip down the road to abstraction and mystification  Tech 9   Jun-15-08 09:04 PM   #28 
        - Actually, no. I was going to argue that...  arendt   Jun-15-08 10:08 PM   #35 
     - I have read this, and, for the life of me, I can't tell what you are "for". You are "against" just..  arendt   Jun-15-08 10:00 PM   #33 
     - Easy  Tech 9   Jun-15-08 10:46 PM   #37 
        - Good luck to you. Not my cup of tea. & BTW, a spoonful of sugar doesn't hurt. n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 09:26 AM   #55 
           - It was time to be blunt  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 12:06 PM   #78 
              - If you would stop treating me like a potential Jeffrey Dahlmer, maybe we could have a conversation..  arendt   Jun-16-08 12:20 PM   #83 
                 - Bordiga, along with Gramsci  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 12:37 PM   #88 
                    - ah -"not democracy, but Party". for you, socialism = stalinism. Good bye. n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 01:20 PM   #98 
                       - So it goes  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 03:41 PM   #115 
                          - I urge you resolutely to  Gabi Hayes   Jun-17-08 01:20 AM   #133 
     - I don't admit that Iraq was gonna happen anyway  hfojvt   Jun-16-08 12:14 PM   #82 
     - Actually you've got a good jump  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 12:25 PM   #86 
        - fine, but they don't always line up like lemmings behind a boneheaded President  hfojvt   Jun-16-08 01:06 PM   #94 
           - So..  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 01:16 PM   #96 
     - Since I responded about you I should probably also respond *to* you  bean fidhleir   Jun-16-08 01:19 PM   #97 
     - Bizarro World  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 03:34 PM   #113 
        - "Bizarro World"? Hardly.  bean fidhleir   Jun-16-08 04:51 PM   #117 
           - But in the end it seems like  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 08:22 PM   #127 
              - Are there alternatives? I don't see any real ones.  bean fidhleir   Jun-17-08 05:40 AM   #137 
     - Capitalists have to manipulate/lie/bribe/defraud in order to maintain control/governance.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Jun-16-08 07:48 PM   #121 
        - Thanks for a clear statement; but I don't think you will have an impact with...  arendt   Jun-16-08 07:56 PM   #123 
        - I doubt his real ideology. I think he just likes to play mind games with people,...  sicksicksick_N_tired   Jun-16-08 08:07 PM   #126 
           - I came here to see if  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 09:01 PM   #129 
              - nothing but Po-mo bs. you are tedious and insulting. I am putting you on ignore. n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 10:46 PM   #131 
        - Words matter a great deal  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 08:34 PM   #128 
  - Great analysis. The hijacking of vocabulary forces us to avoid using the redefined words.  electropop   Jun-16-08 11:02 AM   #65 
  - "witness the disgusting, solipsistic spectacle of the Russert coverage"  kenny blankenship   Jun-15-08 07:27 PM   #7 
  - I wouldn't go near a TV set these days. Stopped watching "news" a decade ago. n/t  arendt   Jun-15-08 07:29 PM   #8 
     - Well in point of fact I'm not actually witnessing it either -  kenny blankenship   Jun-15-08 08:56 PM   #26 
  - Have you looked into  elleng   Jun-15-08 07:31 PM   #9 
  - Sure have. Sent someone to the Bernay's link myself, a few weeks ago.  arendt   Jun-15-08 07:35 PM   #10 
  - GOOD LUCK!  elleng   Jun-15-08 07:40 PM   #12 
  - Make sure you "Journal " this piece.  annabanana   Jun-15-08 07:51 PM   #14 
     - Done. n/t  arendt   Jun-15-08 08:04 PM   #17 
  - Well, Republicans attached to PURE capitalists who utilized what was learned from Nazi Germany.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Jun-16-08 08:03 PM   #124 
  - Kicking for futher reading, tks, n/t  bonito   Jun-15-08 07:53 PM   #16 
  - "Free markets" in itself should not be a swear word  starroute   Jun-15-08 08:06 PM   #19 
  - Neither should "organized labor". But both are "codewords". There meaning is more political than...  arendt   Jun-15-08 08:16 PM   #20 
     - Yes, but the financialization had a pre-history too.  JackRiddler   Jun-16-08 12:41 AM   #41 
     - Well spoken. You should generate more OPs. This is concise...  arendt   Jun-16-08 07:21 AM   #46 
     - See Kevin Phillip's Wealth And Democracy  EVDebs   Jun-16-08 01:03 PM   #93 
     - This is a fantasic post. Thank you. I'm not smart enough to get into the debate  bertman   Jun-16-08 02:11 PM   #104 
        - I meant "their". Typo that I never caught. Thanks for participating. n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 03:24 PM   #112 
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     - Thanks scarlet - and this thread is a welcome oasis...  JackRiddler   Jun-16-08 12:46 AM   #42 
        - The pre-TV generation had the movies...  arendt   Jun-16-08 07:28 AM   #47 
           - Yup.  JackRiddler   Jun-16-08 09:55 AM   #56 
           - I'm of the pre-tv generation, and have a very clear sense of the problem  bean fidhleir   Jun-16-08 10:28 AM   #60 
              - Actually, Walter Lippman (the ur-pundit) coined "manufacturing consent" back in the 1920s...  arendt   Jun-16-08 10:44 AM   #61 
                 - Doesn't surprize me. Chomsky has often made clear that he's not inventing anything, merely  bean fidhleir   Jun-16-08 12:08 PM   #79 
     - I forget which book I was reading a couple of years ago.  Dr.Phool   Jun-16-08 08:42 AM   #51 
        - Dr. Phool -- I read that too, and I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what book it was  kath   Jun-17-08 02:49 AM   #136 
  - K & R -bookmarked. Great discussion and very important. n/t  Raksha   Jun-15-08 08:37 PM   #24 
  - Kick and recommended  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-15-08 09:06 PM   #29 
  - "Addled" is the perfect word for so much of what we see posted here. (nt)  scarletwoman   Jun-15-08 09:21 PM   #31 
  - I am not at all sure..  stillcool47   Jun-15-08 09:22 PM   #32 
  - Lunberg is free? Cool. I lost my copy decades ago. Strange site for his book.  arendt   Jun-15-08 10:04 PM   #34 
     - they've got some other good stuff there too..  stillcool47   Jun-15-08 10:40 PM   #36 
  - Excellent and thanks...  slipslidingaway   Jun-15-08 11:54 PM   #38 
  - You would think after 8 years of this hell people around DU would be smart enough  TheGoldenRule   Jun-16-08 01:11 AM   #43 
  - I dreaded this moment, and yet I knew that I would have to post the last word on Timmeh.  Jim Sagle   Jun-16-08 01:45 AM   #44 
  - William Allen White's obit for Frank Munsey (an important, but venal publisher, circa 1925)  arendt   Jun-16-08 07:36 AM   #48 
  - The conclusions reached are evident upon any reasoned reading of the tea leaves  indepat   Jun-16-08 07:02 AM   #45 
  - "Taking the Risk Out of Democracy"  kenzee13   Jun-16-08 07:40 AM   #49 
  - Good reference. I saved the review you linked to. Will check it out. n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 10:04 AM   #58 
  - KNR - You're onto something truly important here. Well stated.  leveymg   Jun-16-08 08:28 AM   #50 
  - Kicked, Recommended and Bookmarked!  Dr.Phool   Jun-16-08 08:58 AM   #52 
  - As usual, good post Arendt- Shock is exactly what the Repugs  JCMach1   Jun-16-08 09:03 AM   #53 
  - Bookmarking for another read later today. Great piece. nt  riderinthestorm   Jun-16-08 09:07 AM   #54 
  - k & r -- n/t  sojourner   Jun-16-08 10:01 AM   #57 
  - The reason democrats don't address it is because they're millionaires too.  El Pinko   Jun-16-08 10:09 AM   #59 
  - "America has one political party with two right wings." Gore Vidal  Echo In Light   Jun-16-08 10:58 AM   #63 
  - The RW takeover of both parties is nearly complete.  electropop   Jun-16-08 10:54 AM   #62 
  - I read that Kucinich wanted it to go the Judiciary Cmte...  arendt   Jun-16-08 10:58 AM   #64 
     - Thanks for the encouragement. One other possibility is intriguing, but unlikely...  electropop   Jun-16-08 11:05 AM   #67 
  - I blame the journalistic shift from fact-checking/actual reporting to merely reporting "both sides"  LSdemocrat   Jun-16-08 11:04 AM   #66 
  - All by design  Echo In Light   Jun-16-08 11:06 AM   #68 
  - There is a difference between "objective" and "balanced"...  arendt   Jun-16-08 11:10 AM   #70 
  - Your mention of faith based and fact based realities  windoe   Jun-16-08 11:08 AM   #69 
  - Interesting. Can you provide "the short list that is rotated through"? n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 11:12 AM   #71 
  - I am working on it-  windoe   Jun-16-08 12:39 PM   #89 
     - OH, thanks for your effort. I thought it was written in the ref you cited. n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 01:23 PM   #100 
  - Kudos! Well put. Always question the consensus reality  Echo In Light   Jun-16-08 11:21 AM   #73 
     - Whoa thanks for that link  windoe   Jun-16-08 01:01 PM   #92 
  - Thank you, Arendt  junofeb   Jun-16-08 11:16 AM   #72 
  - That's the first instance of TV addiction ruining someone else's life I've ever heard...  arendt   Jun-16-08 11:21 AM   #74 
     - To be fair,  junofeb   Jun-16-08 12:09 PM   #80 
        - My mom has turned into a CNN addict in her old age as well  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-16-08 12:22 PM   #85 
  - One thing you're forgetting..  ananda   Jun-16-08 11:45 AM   #75 
  - Thank you, arendt  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-16-08 11:51 AM   #76 
  - Great post.  area51   Jun-16-08 12:21 PM   #84 
  - A Fascinating Post, It Gives One Much To Consider...  SidneyCarton   Jun-16-08 12:04 PM   #77 
  - Yes. The infrastructure rot is massive, long-standing, and getting worse...  arendt   Jun-16-08 12:09 PM   #81 
     - Agreed.  SidneyCarton   Jun-16-08 12:32 PM   #87 
  - Excellent essay, Arendt. Really top-notch writing.  Pooka Fey   Jun-16-08 12:44 PM   #90 
  - It starts with control of the language, Newt's 1996 Memo to GOPAC 'how-to'  EVDebs   Jun-16-08 12:57 PM   #91 
  - Governing words from Newt's 1996 article. Use them ...  EVDebs   Jun-16-08 01:08 PM   #95 
  - Thanks for contributing references to the thread. I know them, but others may not. n/t  arendt   Jun-16-08 01:22 PM   #99 
     - Right back at 'ya for giving us a wonderful thread to begin with ! nt  EVDebs   Jun-16-08 01:23 PM   #101 
  - BushCo could not have done a better job of ruining the US if they were paid foreign agents.  BrklynLib at work   Jun-16-08 02:19 PM   #105 
  - Problem is, people like it this way  Prophet 451   Jun-16-08 02:26 PM   #106 
  - don't sweat the small stuff  blindpig   Jun-16-08 02:46 PM   #109 
  - Great post BP  Tech 9   Jun-16-08 03:23 PM   #111 
  - "the people who hold it all together for the capitalist" Well said  leftstreet   Jun-17-08 12:56 AM   #132 
  - good essay, as always  kineneb   Jun-16-08 03:09 PM   #110 
  - Well its the Boomers that legitamized these Chicago University maniacs  sasquatch   Jun-16-08 03:40 PM   #114 
  - Hey, not all of us  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-16-08 09:13 PM   #130 
     - really...what a toad  Gabi Hayes   Jun-17-08 01:24 AM   #134 
  - It is one reason I decided to support Obama  realpolitik   Jun-16-08 04:06 PM   #116 
  - Wow. I love your optimism, Realpolitik.  bertman   Jun-16-08 06:01 PM   #118 
  - bet you didn't see this.....  Gabi Hayes   Jun-17-08 02:25 AM   #135 
  - The debt.....  The Sand Rine   Jun-16-08 07:25 PM   #119 
  - Welcome to DU, Sand Rine...  arendt   Jun-16-08 07:29 PM   #120 
  - Arendt, I nominate you as THE Treasure of DU.  BeHereNow   Jun-16-08 07:50 PM   #122 
  - I'm uncomfortable with that. Thanks for the encouragement, but there are many great threads here...  arendt   Jun-16-08 08:03 PM   #125 
  - Too late to recommend,  LWolf   Jun-17-08 08:16 AM   #138 
 

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