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Mon Jun-16-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #76 |
| -The breakdown of political language is allowing American society to be pushed beyond "crush depth" |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 06:43 PM |
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We're doomed! DOOMED!!!! |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-15-08 06:45 PM |
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Keep sleeping. If your lucky, the implosion will kill you outright and you won't feel a thing. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 06:47 PM |
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bwah! |
kath |
Jun-15-08 07:44 PM |
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Well, the awake don't treat it as real so I'm going back to sleep. |
HypnoToad |
Jun-15-08 07:52 PM |
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Took the blue pill, did we? n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:06 PM |
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It's DU tradition to plant a turd as the first response to brilliance. K&R... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:02 AM |
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turd planting - a keen insight into one of the idiosyncracies |
endarkenment |
Jun-16-08 02:42 PM |
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I do not understand that |
Two Americas |
Jun-15-08 08:16 PM |
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You may be right |
formercia |
Jun-16-08 01:38 PM |
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Its amazing what happens when threads go on long enough. Thanks. :-) n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 02:09 PM |
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My pleasure. |
formercia |
Jun-16-08 02:30 PM |
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very well articulated. I often find that my contempt for enablers actually exceeds |
burythehatchet |
Jun-15-08 07:06 PM |
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Yeah, traitors are worse than honest enemies. Slimy is worse than vile. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:09 PM |
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Admit it: You will miss George W. Bush. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:10 AM |
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I wrote this a while back... it ties in with your piece |
ixion |
Jun-15-08 07:10 PM |
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Like your customized journal page! Yes. You wrote what I started to, and gave up on... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:17 PM |
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thanks, glad I could help out... |
ixion |
Jun-15-08 07:39 PM |
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The truth is this has very little to do with it |
Tech 9 |
Jun-15-08 08:51 PM |
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You have no idea where I was going with autopoesis; but you sound intelligent... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:59 PM |
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Its a one way trip down the road to abstraction and mystification |
Tech 9 |
Jun-15-08 09:04 PM |
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Actually, no. I was going to argue that... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 10:08 PM |
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I have read this, and, for the life of me, I can't tell what you are "for". You are "against" just.. |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 10:00 PM |
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Easy |
Tech 9 |
Jun-15-08 10:46 PM |
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Good luck to you. Not my cup of tea. & BTW, a spoonful of sugar doesn't hurt. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 09:26 AM |
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It was time to be blunt |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 12:06 PM |
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If you would stop treating me like a potential Jeffrey Dahlmer, maybe we could have a conversation.. |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 12:20 PM |
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Bordiga, along with Gramsci |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 12:37 PM |
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ah -"not democracy, but Party". for you, socialism = stalinism. Good bye. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 01:20 PM |
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So it goes |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 03:41 PM |
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I urge you resolutely to |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-17-08 01:20 AM |
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I don't admit that Iraq was gonna happen anyway |
hfojvt |
Jun-16-08 12:14 PM |
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Actually you've got a good jump |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 12:25 PM |
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fine, but they don't always line up like lemmings behind a boneheaded President |
hfojvt |
Jun-16-08 01:06 PM |
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So.. |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 01:16 PM |
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Since I responded about you I should probably also respond *to* you |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 01:19 PM |
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Bizarro World |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 03:34 PM |
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"Bizarro World"? Hardly. |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 04:51 PM |
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But in the end it seems like |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 08:22 PM |
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Are there alternatives? I don't see any real ones. |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-17-08 05:40 AM |
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Capitalists have to manipulate/lie/bribe/defraud in order to maintain control/governance. |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Jun-16-08 07:48 PM |
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Thanks for a clear statement; but I don't think you will have an impact with... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:56 PM |
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I doubt his real ideology. I think he just likes to play mind games with people,... |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Jun-16-08 08:07 PM |
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I came here to see if |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 09:01 PM |
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nothing but Po-mo bs. you are tedious and insulting. I am putting you on ignore. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:46 PM |
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Words matter a great deal |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 08:34 PM |
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Great analysis. The hijacking of vocabulary forces us to avoid using the redefined words. |
electropop |
Jun-16-08 11:02 AM |
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"witness the disgusting, solipsistic spectacle of the Russert coverage" |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-15-08 07:27 PM |
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I wouldn't go near a TV set these days. Stopped watching "news" a decade ago. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:29 PM |
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Well in point of fact I'm not actually witnessing it either - |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-15-08 08:56 PM |
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Have you looked into |
elleng |
Jun-15-08 07:31 PM |
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Sure have. Sent someone to the Bernay's link myself, a few weeks ago. |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:35 PM |
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GOOD LUCK! |
elleng |
Jun-15-08 07:40 PM |
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Make sure you "Journal " this piece. |
annabanana |
Jun-15-08 07:51 PM |
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Done. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:04 PM |
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Well, Republicans attached to PURE capitalists who utilized what was learned from Nazi Germany. |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Jun-16-08 08:03 PM |
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Kicking for futher reading, tks, n/t |
bonito |
Jun-15-08 07:53 PM |
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"Free markets" in itself should not be a swear word |
starroute |
Jun-15-08 08:06 PM |
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Neither should "organized labor". But both are "codewords". There meaning is more political than... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:16 PM |
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Yes, but the financialization had a pre-history too. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:41 AM |
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Well spoken. You should generate more OPs. This is concise... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:21 AM |
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See Kevin Phillip's Wealth And Democracy |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 01:03 PM |
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This is a fantasic post. Thank you. I'm not smart enough to get into the debate |
bertman |
Jun-16-08 02:11 PM |
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I meant "their". Typo that I never caught. Thanks for participating. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 03:24 PM |
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Thank you, Arendt, for always posting such intelligent and thought-provoking essays. |
scarletwoman |
Jun-15-08 08:24 PM |
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DU keeps getting more and more "mainstream"... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:29 PM |
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There are so few on DU who have any sort of grasp of "deep politics", as Peter Dale Scott has so |
scarletwoman |
Jun-15-08 09:18 PM |
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Thanks scarlet - and this thread is a welcome oasis... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:46 AM |
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The pre-TV generation had the movies... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:28 AM |
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Yup. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 09:55 AM |
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I'm of the pre-tv generation, and have a very clear sense of the problem |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 10:28 AM |
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Actually, Walter Lippman (the ur-pundit) coined "manufacturing consent" back in the 1920s... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:44 AM |
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Doesn't surprize me. Chomsky has often made clear that he's not inventing anything, merely |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 12:08 PM |
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I forget which book I was reading a couple of years ago. |
Dr.Phool |
Jun-16-08 08:42 AM |
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Dr. Phool -- I read that too, and I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what book it was |
kath |
Jun-17-08 02:49 AM |
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K & R -bookmarked. Great discussion and very important. n/t |
Raksha |
Jun-15-08 08:37 PM |
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Kick and recommended |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-15-08 09:06 PM |
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"Addled" is the perfect word for so much of what we see posted here. (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Jun-15-08 09:21 PM |
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I am not at all sure.. |
stillcool47 |
Jun-15-08 09:22 PM |
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Lunberg is free? Cool. I lost my copy decades ago. Strange site for his book. |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 10:04 PM |
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they've got some other good stuff there too.. |
stillcool47 |
Jun-15-08 10:40 PM |
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Excellent and thanks... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-15-08 11:54 PM |
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You would think after 8 years of this hell people around DU would be smart enough |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-16-08 01:11 AM |
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I dreaded this moment, and yet I knew that I would have to post the last word on Timmeh. |
Jim Sagle |
Jun-16-08 01:45 AM |
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William Allen White's obit for Frank Munsey (an important, but venal publisher, circa 1925) |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:36 AM |
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The conclusions reached are evident upon any reasoned reading of the tea leaves |
indepat |
Jun-16-08 07:02 AM |
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"Taking the Risk Out of Democracy" |
kenzee13 |
Jun-16-08 07:40 AM |
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Good reference. I saved the review you linked to. Will check it out. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:04 AM |
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KNR - You're onto something truly important here. Well stated. |
leveymg |
Jun-16-08 08:28 AM |
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Kicked, Recommended and Bookmarked! |
Dr.Phool |
Jun-16-08 08:58 AM |
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As usual, good post Arendt- Shock is exactly what the Repugs |
JCMach1 |
Jun-16-08 09:03 AM |
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Bookmarking for another read later today. Great piece. nt |
riderinthestorm |
Jun-16-08 09:07 AM |
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k & r -- n/t |
sojourner |
Jun-16-08 10:01 AM |
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The reason democrats don't address it is because they're millionaires too. |
El Pinko |
Jun-16-08 10:09 AM |
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"America has one political party with two right wings." Gore Vidal |
Echo In Light |
Jun-16-08 10:58 AM |
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The RW takeover of both parties is nearly complete. |
electropop |
Jun-16-08 10:54 AM |
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I read that Kucinich wanted it to go the Judiciary Cmte... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:58 AM |
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Thanks for the encouragement. One other possibility is intriguing, but unlikely... |
electropop |
Jun-16-08 11:05 AM |
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I blame the journalistic shift from fact-checking/actual reporting to merely reporting "both sides" |
LSdemocrat |
Jun-16-08 11:04 AM |
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All by design |
Echo In Light |
Jun-16-08 11:06 AM |
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There is a difference between "objective" and "balanced"... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 11:10 AM |
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Your mention of faith based and fact based realities |
windoe |
Jun-16-08 11:08 AM |
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Interesting. Can you provide "the short list that is rotated through"? n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 11:12 AM |
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I am working on it- |
windoe |
Jun-16-08 12:39 PM |
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OH, thanks for your effort. I thought it was written in the ref you cited. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 01:23 PM |
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Kudos! Well put. Always question the consensus reality |
Echo In Light |
Jun-16-08 11:21 AM |
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Whoa thanks for that link |
windoe |
Jun-16-08 01:01 PM |
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Thank you, Arendt |
junofeb |
Jun-16-08 11:16 AM |
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That's the first instance of TV addiction ruining someone else's life I've ever heard... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 11:21 AM |
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To be fair, |
junofeb |
Jun-16-08 12:09 PM |
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My mom has turned into a CNN addict in her old age as well |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-16-08 12:22 PM |
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One thing you're forgetting.. |
ananda |
Jun-16-08 11:45 AM |
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Thank you, arendt |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-16-08 11:51 AM |
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Great post. |
area51 |
Jun-16-08 12:21 PM |
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A Fascinating Post, It Gives One Much To Consider... |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-16-08 12:04 PM |
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Yes. The infrastructure rot is massive, long-standing, and getting worse... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 12:09 PM |
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Agreed. |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-16-08 12:32 PM |
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Excellent essay, Arendt. Really top-notch writing. |
Pooka Fey |
Jun-16-08 12:44 PM |
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It starts with control of the language, Newt's 1996 Memo to GOPAC 'how-to' |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 12:57 PM |
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Governing words from Newt's 1996 article. Use them ... |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 01:08 PM |
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Thanks for contributing references to the thread. I know them, but others may not. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 01:22 PM |
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Right back at 'ya for giving us a wonderful thread to begin with ! nt |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 01:23 PM |
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BushCo could not have done a better job of ruining the US if they were paid foreign agents. |
BrklynLib at work |
Jun-16-08 02:19 PM |
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Problem is, people like it this way |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-16-08 02:26 PM |
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don't sweat the small stuff |
blindpig |
Jun-16-08 02:46 PM |
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Great post BP |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 03:23 PM |
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"the people who hold it all together for the capitalist" Well said |
leftstreet |
Jun-17-08 12:56 AM |
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good essay, as always |
kineneb |
Jun-16-08 03:09 PM |
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Well its the Boomers that legitamized these Chicago University maniacs |
sasquatch |
Jun-16-08 03:40 PM |
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Hey, not all of us |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-16-08 09:13 PM |
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really...what a toad |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-17-08 01:24 AM |
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It is one reason I decided to support Obama |
realpolitik |
Jun-16-08 04:06 PM |
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Wow. I love your optimism, Realpolitik. |
bertman |
Jun-16-08 06:01 PM |
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bet you didn't see this..... |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-17-08 02:25 AM |
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The debt..... |
The Sand Rine |
Jun-16-08 07:25 PM |
#119 |
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Welcome to DU, Sand Rine... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:29 PM |
#120 |
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Arendt, I nominate you as THE Treasure of DU. |
BeHereNow |
Jun-16-08 07:50 PM |
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I'm uncomfortable with that. Thanks for the encouragement, but there are many great threads here... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 08:03 PM |
#125 |
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Too late to recommend, |
LWolf |
Jun-17-08 08:16 AM |
#138 |
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