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Sun Jun-15-08 08:16 PM
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| 21. I do not understand that |
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Mocking a person as you are doing is incomprehensible to me. The OP did not say "we are doomed." Are you contending that there is no cause for alarm? Or perhaps, unlike millions, you are not personally impacted and that is preventing you from having an objective view of this?
The "doom sayers" attacks on left wing critics of the government and the economy are pure right wing propaganda. Why would a Democrat promote that malicious and destructive theme?
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| -The breakdown of political language is allowing American society to be pushed beyond "crush depth" |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 06:43 PM |
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We're doomed! DOOMED!!!! |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-15-08 06:45 PM |
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Keep sleeping. If your lucky, the implosion will kill you outright and you won't feel a thing. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 06:47 PM |
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bwah! |
kath |
Jun-15-08 07:44 PM |
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Well, the awake don't treat it as real so I'm going back to sleep. |
HypnoToad |
Jun-15-08 07:52 PM |
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Took the blue pill, did we? n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:06 PM |
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It's DU tradition to plant a turd as the first response to brilliance. K&R... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:02 AM |
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turd planting - a keen insight into one of the idiosyncracies |
endarkenment |
Jun-16-08 02:42 PM |
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I do not understand that |
Two Americas |
Jun-15-08 08:16 PM |
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You may be right |
formercia |
Jun-16-08 01:38 PM |
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Its amazing what happens when threads go on long enough. Thanks. :-) n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 02:09 PM |
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My pleasure. |
formercia |
Jun-16-08 02:30 PM |
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very well articulated. I often find that my contempt for enablers actually exceeds |
burythehatchet |
Jun-15-08 07:06 PM |
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Yeah, traitors are worse than honest enemies. Slimy is worse than vile. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:09 PM |
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Admit it: You will miss George W. Bush. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:10 AM |
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I wrote this a while back... it ties in with your piece |
ixion |
Jun-15-08 07:10 PM |
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Like your customized journal page! Yes. You wrote what I started to, and gave up on... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:17 PM |
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thanks, glad I could help out... |
ixion |
Jun-15-08 07:39 PM |
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The truth is this has very little to do with it |
Tech 9 |
Jun-15-08 08:51 PM |
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You have no idea where I was going with autopoesis; but you sound intelligent... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:59 PM |
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Its a one way trip down the road to abstraction and mystification |
Tech 9 |
Jun-15-08 09:04 PM |
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Actually, no. I was going to argue that... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 10:08 PM |
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I have read this, and, for the life of me, I can't tell what you are "for". You are "against" just.. |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 10:00 PM |
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Easy |
Tech 9 |
Jun-15-08 10:46 PM |
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Good luck to you. Not my cup of tea. & BTW, a spoonful of sugar doesn't hurt. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 09:26 AM |
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It was time to be blunt |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 12:06 PM |
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If you would stop treating me like a potential Jeffrey Dahlmer, maybe we could have a conversation.. |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 12:20 PM |
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Bordiga, along with Gramsci |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 12:37 PM |
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ah -"not democracy, but Party". for you, socialism = stalinism. Good bye. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 01:20 PM |
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So it goes |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 03:41 PM |
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I urge you resolutely to |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-17-08 01:20 AM |
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I don't admit that Iraq was gonna happen anyway |
hfojvt |
Jun-16-08 12:14 PM |
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Actually you've got a good jump |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 12:25 PM |
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fine, but they don't always line up like lemmings behind a boneheaded President |
hfojvt |
Jun-16-08 01:06 PM |
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So.. |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 01:16 PM |
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Since I responded about you I should probably also respond *to* you |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 01:19 PM |
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Bizarro World |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 03:34 PM |
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"Bizarro World"? Hardly. |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 04:51 PM |
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But in the end it seems like |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 08:22 PM |
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Are there alternatives? I don't see any real ones. |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-17-08 05:40 AM |
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Capitalists have to manipulate/lie/bribe/defraud in order to maintain control/governance. |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Jun-16-08 07:48 PM |
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Thanks for a clear statement; but I don't think you will have an impact with... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:56 PM |
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I doubt his real ideology. I think he just likes to play mind games with people,... |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Jun-16-08 08:07 PM |
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I came here to see if |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 09:01 PM |
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nothing but Po-mo bs. you are tedious and insulting. I am putting you on ignore. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:46 PM |
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Words matter a great deal |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 08:34 PM |
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Great analysis. The hijacking of vocabulary forces us to avoid using the redefined words. |
electropop |
Jun-16-08 11:02 AM |
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"witness the disgusting, solipsistic spectacle of the Russert coverage" |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-15-08 07:27 PM |
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I wouldn't go near a TV set these days. Stopped watching "news" a decade ago. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:29 PM |
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Well in point of fact I'm not actually witnessing it either - |
kenny blankenship |
Jun-15-08 08:56 PM |
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Have you looked into |
elleng |
Jun-15-08 07:31 PM |
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Sure have. Sent someone to the Bernay's link myself, a few weeks ago. |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 07:35 PM |
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GOOD LUCK! |
elleng |
Jun-15-08 07:40 PM |
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Make sure you "Journal " this piece. |
annabanana |
Jun-15-08 07:51 PM |
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Done. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:04 PM |
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Well, Republicans attached to PURE capitalists who utilized what was learned from Nazi Germany. |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Jun-16-08 08:03 PM |
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Kicking for futher reading, tks, n/t |
bonito |
Jun-15-08 07:53 PM |
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"Free markets" in itself should not be a swear word |
starroute |
Jun-15-08 08:06 PM |
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Neither should "organized labor". But both are "codewords". There meaning is more political than... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:16 PM |
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Yes, but the financialization had a pre-history too. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:41 AM |
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Well spoken. You should generate more OPs. This is concise... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:21 AM |
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See Kevin Phillip's Wealth And Democracy |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 01:03 PM |
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This is a fantasic post. Thank you. I'm not smart enough to get into the debate |
bertman |
Jun-16-08 02:11 PM |
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I meant "their". Typo that I never caught. Thanks for participating. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 03:24 PM |
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Thank you, Arendt, for always posting such intelligent and thought-provoking essays. |
scarletwoman |
Jun-15-08 08:24 PM |
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DU keeps getting more and more "mainstream"... |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 08:29 PM |
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There are so few on DU who have any sort of grasp of "deep politics", as Peter Dale Scott has so |
scarletwoman |
Jun-15-08 09:18 PM |
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Thanks scarlet - and this thread is a welcome oasis... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 12:46 AM |
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The pre-TV generation had the movies... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:28 AM |
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Yup. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-16-08 09:55 AM |
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I'm of the pre-tv generation, and have a very clear sense of the problem |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 10:28 AM |
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Actually, Walter Lippman (the ur-pundit) coined "manufacturing consent" back in the 1920s... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:44 AM |
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Doesn't surprize me. Chomsky has often made clear that he's not inventing anything, merely |
bean fidhleir |
Jun-16-08 12:08 PM |
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I forget which book I was reading a couple of years ago. |
Dr.Phool |
Jun-16-08 08:42 AM |
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Dr. Phool -- I read that too, and I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what book it was |
kath |
Jun-17-08 02:49 AM |
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K & R -bookmarked. Great discussion and very important. n/t |
Raksha |
Jun-15-08 08:37 PM |
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Kick and recommended |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-15-08 09:06 PM |
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"Addled" is the perfect word for so much of what we see posted here. (nt) |
scarletwoman |
Jun-15-08 09:21 PM |
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I am not at all sure.. |
stillcool47 |
Jun-15-08 09:22 PM |
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Lunberg is free? Cool. I lost my copy decades ago. Strange site for his book. |
arendt |
Jun-15-08 10:04 PM |
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they've got some other good stuff there too.. |
stillcool47 |
Jun-15-08 10:40 PM |
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Excellent and thanks... |
slipslidingaway |
Jun-15-08 11:54 PM |
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You would think after 8 years of this hell people around DU would be smart enough |
TheGoldenRule |
Jun-16-08 01:11 AM |
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I dreaded this moment, and yet I knew that I would have to post the last word on Timmeh. |
Jim Sagle |
Jun-16-08 01:45 AM |
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William Allen White's obit for Frank Munsey (an important, but venal publisher, circa 1925) |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:36 AM |
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The conclusions reached are evident upon any reasoned reading of the tea leaves |
indepat |
Jun-16-08 07:02 AM |
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"Taking the Risk Out of Democracy" |
kenzee13 |
Jun-16-08 07:40 AM |
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Good reference. I saved the review you linked to. Will check it out. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:04 AM |
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KNR - You're onto something truly important here. Well stated. |
leveymg |
Jun-16-08 08:28 AM |
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Kicked, Recommended and Bookmarked! |
Dr.Phool |
Jun-16-08 08:58 AM |
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As usual, good post Arendt- Shock is exactly what the Repugs |
JCMach1 |
Jun-16-08 09:03 AM |
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Bookmarking for another read later today. Great piece. nt |
riderinthestorm |
Jun-16-08 09:07 AM |
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k & r -- n/t |
sojourner |
Jun-16-08 10:01 AM |
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The reason democrats don't address it is because they're millionaires too. |
El Pinko |
Jun-16-08 10:09 AM |
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"America has one political party with two right wings." Gore Vidal |
Echo In Light |
Jun-16-08 10:58 AM |
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The RW takeover of both parties is nearly complete. |
electropop |
Jun-16-08 10:54 AM |
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I read that Kucinich wanted it to go the Judiciary Cmte... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 10:58 AM |
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Thanks for the encouragement. One other possibility is intriguing, but unlikely... |
electropop |
Jun-16-08 11:05 AM |
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I blame the journalistic shift from fact-checking/actual reporting to merely reporting "both sides" |
LSdemocrat |
Jun-16-08 11:04 AM |
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All by design |
Echo In Light |
Jun-16-08 11:06 AM |
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There is a difference between "objective" and "balanced"... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 11:10 AM |
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Your mention of faith based and fact based realities |
windoe |
Jun-16-08 11:08 AM |
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Interesting. Can you provide "the short list that is rotated through"? n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 11:12 AM |
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I am working on it- |
windoe |
Jun-16-08 12:39 PM |
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OH, thanks for your effort. I thought it was written in the ref you cited. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 01:23 PM |
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Kudos! Well put. Always question the consensus reality |
Echo In Light |
Jun-16-08 11:21 AM |
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Whoa thanks for that link |
windoe |
Jun-16-08 01:01 PM |
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Thank you, Arendt |
junofeb |
Jun-16-08 11:16 AM |
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That's the first instance of TV addiction ruining someone else's life I've ever heard... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 11:21 AM |
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To be fair, |
junofeb |
Jun-16-08 12:09 PM |
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My mom has turned into a CNN addict in her old age as well |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-16-08 12:22 PM |
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One thing you're forgetting.. |
ananda |
Jun-16-08 11:45 AM |
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Thank you, arendt |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-16-08 11:51 AM |
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Great post. |
area51 |
Jun-16-08 12:21 PM |
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A Fascinating Post, It Gives One Much To Consider... |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-16-08 12:04 PM |
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Yes. The infrastructure rot is massive, long-standing, and getting worse... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 12:09 PM |
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Agreed. |
SidneyCarton |
Jun-16-08 12:32 PM |
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Excellent essay, Arendt. Really top-notch writing. |
Pooka Fey |
Jun-16-08 12:44 PM |
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It starts with control of the language, Newt's 1996 Memo to GOPAC 'how-to' |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 12:57 PM |
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Governing words from Newt's 1996 article. Use them ... |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 01:08 PM |
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Thanks for contributing references to the thread. I know them, but others may not. n/t |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 01:22 PM |
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Right back at 'ya for giving us a wonderful thread to begin with ! nt |
EVDebs |
Jun-16-08 01:23 PM |
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BushCo could not have done a better job of ruining the US if they were paid foreign agents. |
BrklynLib at work |
Jun-16-08 02:19 PM |
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Problem is, people like it this way |
Prophet 451 |
Jun-16-08 02:26 PM |
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don't sweat the small stuff |
blindpig |
Jun-16-08 02:46 PM |
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Great post BP |
Tech 9 |
Jun-16-08 03:23 PM |
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"the people who hold it all together for the capitalist" Well said |
leftstreet |
Jun-17-08 12:56 AM |
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good essay, as always |
kineneb |
Jun-16-08 03:09 PM |
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Well its the Boomers that legitamized these Chicago University maniacs |
sasquatch |
Jun-16-08 03:40 PM |
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Hey, not all of us |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jun-16-08 09:13 PM |
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really...what a toad |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-17-08 01:24 AM |
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It is one reason I decided to support Obama |
realpolitik |
Jun-16-08 04:06 PM |
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Wow. I love your optimism, Realpolitik. |
bertman |
Jun-16-08 06:01 PM |
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bet you didn't see this..... |
Gabi Hayes |
Jun-17-08 02:25 AM |
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The debt..... |
The Sand Rine |
Jun-16-08 07:25 PM |
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Welcome to DU, Sand Rine... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 07:29 PM |
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Arendt, I nominate you as THE Treasure of DU. |
BeHereNow |
Jun-16-08 07:50 PM |
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I'm uncomfortable with that. Thanks for the encouragement, but there are many great threads here... |
arendt |
Jun-16-08 08:03 PM |
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Too late to recommend, |
LWolf |
Jun-17-08 08:16 AM |
#138 |
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