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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-16-08 08:25 PM
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79. I have more than one point that I've discussed in this post and think is important
I did not make light of child pornography being on computers. I said in the OP "The purpose of the law is supposed to be to protect children against sexual exploitation. Im sure that we can all agree that that is a worth while goal."

I did say that I believe a person should be prosecuted or punished for what they do, not for what they might do. Once you start imprisoning people for what they might do, you have a system that is very vulnerable to abuse, and you've taken a major step towards a police state.
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  -A Malicious Prosecution in my Family Time for change  Jun-15-08 08:00 AM   #0 
  - Something does sound a bit odd about that  ck4829   Jun-15-08 08:09 AM   #1 
  - It's pretty well-established  dems_rightnow   Jun-15-08 08:15 AM   #2 
  - I don't think I ever said it was protected under the First Amendment  ck4829   Jun-15-08 08:30 AM   #4 
  - According to an IT tech I know, there is no reason a tech should be looking at image files  AmyDeLune   Jun-15-08 01:26 PM   #23 
     - I didn't think of that  Time for change   Jun-15-08 07:43 PM   #44 
  - The main question at issue here isn't whether or not there was a crime  Time for change   Jun-15-08 08:43 AM   #7 
  - I seriously have no idea.  dems_rightnow   Jun-15-08 09:45 AM   #9 
  - I'm just as guilty as my nephew is  Time for change   Jun-15-08 09:56 AM   #13 
  - Self-delete -- wrong place  Time for change   Jun-15-08 09:54 AM   #11 
  - First Amendment: What Jim's lawyer explained to me, and the USSC decision from the link in the OP  Time for change   Jun-15-08 02:46 PM   #26 
  - A former state Attorney General should know not to hire prostitutes with  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-16-08 11:51 AM   #71 
  - Thanks for sharing the story. What a nightmare.  rucky   Jun-15-08 08:17 AM   #3 
  - That's why it's a bad law:  PaulHo   Jun-15-08 08:37 AM   #5 
  - I've suggested to my nephew that he pursue a civil suit, and he's explored it with his lawyer  Time for change   Jun-15-08 09:34 AM   #8 
     - Since we know kiddie porn was present, it's not malicious prosecution.  TexasObserver   Jun-15-08 10:05 AM   #15 
     - I don't understand why the fact that a crime has been committed immunizes  Time for change   Jun-15-08 11:37 AM   #22 
     - Good. I agree with your "take" on it on all counts, and understand  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-15-08 06:28 PM   #39 
        - The venal prosecutor simply showed no interest in even considering any other possibility  Time for change   Jun-16-08 07:17 AM   #66 
           - I found FarceOf Nature's post interesting, but not persuasive.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-16-08 11:10 AM   #68 
              - Our gulag-archipelago  Time for change   Jun-16-08 11:24 AM   #69 
                 - It wouldn't be at all practicable, Tfc! It certainly is the road to hell,  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-16-08 11:41 AM   #70 
                    - I'm afraid it's true that our country is going to hell now.  Time for change   Jun-16-08 11:52 AM   #72 
                       - I was kidding about the 'y' chromosome, and I understood your point.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-16-08 12:49 PM   #75 
                          - It's a subject of which I have very little understanding  Time for change   Jun-16-08 08:09 PM   #78 
                             - Not at all. By a strange coincidence, after signing off yesterday, I found myself  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-17-08 12:42 PM   #89 
  - It sounds like one of those chain of evidence problems  MiniMe   Jun-15-08 08:41 AM   #6 
  - I think it's far more than a chain of evidence issue  Time for change   Jun-15-08 09:49 AM   #10 
  - The $300 for record expungement is CHEAP.  TexasObserver   Jun-15-08 09:56 AM   #12 
  - My problem with the expungement of the records is not so much the price  Time for change   Jun-15-08 10:08 AM   #16 
  - Somebody at that company has found an easy way to cover  sfexpat2000   Jun-15-08 10:14 AM   #18 
  - I think that's probably a good idea  Time for change   Jun-15-08 05:38 PM   #37 
  - He can avoid paying that by doing it himself....  Viva_La_Revolution   Jun-15-08 06:52 PM   #40 
     - Ahhhhhhhhhh. Thank you.  Time for change   Jun-15-08 07:07 PM   #42 
  - Very valid point made here. It's the same theory that guides this admin.  acmavm   Jun-15-08 10:30 AM   #20 
  - I'm sorry for Jim's and your tragic involvement in this mess.  bertman   Jun-15-08 10:04 AM   #14 
  - I agree -- They should be held accountable for these things  Time for change   Jun-15-08 07:37 PM   #43 
  - Welcome to life in the fourth reich.  greyhound1966   Jun-15-08 10:11 AM   #17 
  - This law reminds me very much of drug possession laws  Time for change   Jun-15-08 10:21 AM   #19 
  - Sounds like the defense lawyer did ok - and maybe he thought he had the  TBF   Jun-15-08 11:04 AM   #21 
  - Don't take this the wrong way, but I am going to look at the case  rebel with a cause   Jun-15-08 01:36 PM   #24 
  - I agree with all you say here, except for one thing  Time for change   Jun-15-08 02:31 PM   #25 
     - Person who have these porn sites often know how many  rebel with a cause   Jun-15-08 02:56 PM   #28 
     - Ok, let's say that whoever took the pictures knows how many times their sites are downloaded  Time for change   Jun-15-08 04:00 PM   #30 
        - We will have to agree to disagree about the pictures  rebel with a cause   Jun-15-08 04:42 PM   #32 
        - That's ok  Time for change   Jun-15-08 05:10 PM   #34 
        - important  bkscribe   Jun-15-08 10:56 PM   #55 
           - It's just a guess  Time for change   Jun-16-08 12:11 AM   #58 
              - Stick to your point then.  bkscribe   Jun-16-08 01:01 PM   #76 
                 - I have more than one point that I've discussed in this post and think is important  Time for change   Jun-16-08 08:25 PM   #79 
     - owning kiddie porn...  northernlights   Jun-15-08 03:19 PM   #29 
        - I would answer your first paragraph by referring you to my last paragraph of post # 30  Time for change   Jun-15-08 04:09 PM   #31 
        - I tend to agree with you.  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 04:59 AM   #61 
           - Thank you for all that information  Time for change   Jun-16-08 07:04 AM   #65 
        - The real danger of the internet is not in the images themselves but the communities created online..  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 03:58 AM   #60 
  - You ask: Shouldnt a competent defense attorney have gotten this case dismissed for lack of probable  truedelphi   Jun-15-08 02:55 PM   #27 
  - I'm very glad  Time for change   Jun-15-08 06:08 PM   #38 
  - I think it would have been more helpful to the case if, when you got  Vinca   Jun-15-08 05:02 PM   #33 
  - That may be a good point  Time for change   Jun-15-08 05:17 PM   #36 
  - you'd think the prosecutor  barbtries   Jun-15-08 05:16 PM   #35 
  - Thank you.  Time for change   Jun-15-08 08:56 PM   #49 
  - Someone should look into whether Restronics has a sweetheart deal with police to "catch" people...  DRoseDARs   Jun-15-08 07:07 PM   #41 
  - I hadn't thought of that  Time for change   Jun-15-08 09:24 PM   #53 
  - blank check  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 08:02 PM   #45 
  - Very good points -- That's what I feel so uncomfortable about this law  Time for change   Jun-15-08 08:46 PM   #47 
     - my guess  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 08:59 PM   #50 
        - That's a scary thought  Time for change   Jun-15-08 09:51 PM   #54 
           - all speculation of course  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 11:05 PM   #56 
  - Sounds like you were set up. Mabe for political reasons. Are you a DEM?  L. Coyote   Jun-15-08 08:46 PM   #46 
  - Yes, I'm a Dem, but it wasn't me that they went after, it was my nephew  Time for change   Jun-15-08 08:50 PM   #48 
     - Did it disrupt your life? Can you claim you were targeted?  L. Coyote   Jun-15-08 09:06 PM   #51 
        - It sure as hell disrupted my nephew's life  Time for change   Jun-15-08 09:23 PM   #52 
  - My .02.  varkam   Jun-16-08 12:06 AM   #57 
  - "If the state in question depends upon the control issue, and the images were in Jim's computer  Time for change   Jun-16-08 02:20 AM   #59 
  - Because it is Jim's computer.  varkam   Jun-16-08 05:47 AM   #64 
     - The God damned prosecution didn't even take the time to get a computer expert  Time for change   Jun-16-08 07:25 AM   #67 
     - Couple things  varkam   Jun-16-08 12:25 PM   #73 
        - It's hard to be calm about this after this prosecutor so callously destroyed several months of my  Time for change   Jun-16-08 02:41 PM   #77 
           - I understand your emotions.  varkam   Jun-17-08 04:32 AM   #81 
              - Thank you for your input  Time for change   Jun-17-08 09:12 AM   #88 
     - It does seem odd, doesn't it?  kgfnally   Jun-16-08 12:45 PM   #74 
        - Indeed.  varkam   Jun-17-08 04:35 AM   #82 
  - absolutely agree with you, and posted my thoughts RE: dubious justifications for prosecution.....  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 05:04 AM   #62 
     - Exactly. It's hard to determine a causal relationship.  varkam   Jun-16-08 05:42 AM   #63 
     - In those circumstances, I don't think they are dubious justifications,  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Jun-17-08 01:19 PM   #90 
  - I have thought hard about answering because you have no remedy.  tsuki   Jun-16-08 09:36 PM   #80 
  - Thank you for the advice. Jim will take a look at this.  Time for change   Jun-17-08 09:06 AM   #85 
     - Don't thank me. I brought a lot of grief down on me. There is nothing  tsuki   Jun-17-08 04:09 PM   #93 
  - The reality is that this has nothing to do with kiddie porn or pedophilia.  readmoreoften   Jun-17-08 05:22 AM   #83 
  - Thank you -- Those were some of my thoughts  Time for change   Jun-17-08 09:10 AM   #86 
  - I have a dear friend undergoing a really unfair trial with the justice system.  live love laugh   Jun-17-08 05:57 AM   #84 
  - Yeah, just look at Guantanamo Bay  Time for change   Jun-17-08 09:11 AM   #87 
  - Is there any way to link this to Bush?  poliscifanboy   Jun-17-08 01:54 PM   #91 
  - I would talk to another lawyer about the possibility of going after Restronics,  yardwork   Jun-17-08 02:06 PM   #92 
  - recently a kiddie porn case was tossed out cause the pics came  mdmc   Jun-17-08 04:14 PM   #94 

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