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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. I hear that. Here's to avoiding unhelpful or negative things
for 15 years! :patriot:
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  -12 step programs - do they work? skygazer  Mar-05-07 05:21 PM   #0 
  - I've never been in a 12-step program  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-05-07 05:29 PM   #1 
  - That's the theory  skygazer   Mar-05-07 05:35 PM   #4 
     - Like I said,  ayeshahaqqiqa   Mar-05-07 05:49 PM   #15 
     - Well, actually my court ordered sessions of AA did make me  spenbax   Mar-05-07 11:23 PM   #63 
  - Works for me.  varkam   Mar-05-07 05:31 PM   #2 
  - Now this is the type of statement that annoys me to no end  skygazer   Mar-05-07 05:42 PM   #11 
     - I'm living proof of what you say is right  madokie   Mar-05-07 06:02 PM   #22 
     - It's one of the self-validating axioms of the 12 step universe.  impeachdubya   Mar-05-07 06:12 PM   #25 
     - if that has been your experience with 12 steppers, they haven't studied the  AZDemDist6   Mar-05-07 06:39 PM   #39 
        - That hasn't been my experience with ALL 12 steppers. Only some.  impeachdubya   Mar-05-07 08:15 PM   #55 
           - there are groups like. I am grateful I have been able to mostly avoid them for 15 yrs  AZDemDist6   Mar-05-07 08:59 PM   #58 
              - I hear that. Here's to avoiding unhelpful or negative things  impeachdubya   Mar-05-07 10:19 PM   #60 
     - You are both using the word 'addict' a bit differently  kineta   Mar-05-07 06:16 PM   #26 
     - Define "relatively easily"  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:27 PM   #30 
        - I'm sorry. I meant no offense.  kineta   Mar-05-07 06:29 PM   #31 
           - I'm not angry in general - in fact, I'm a pretty upbeat person  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:34 PM   #35 
           - :-)  kineta   Mar-05-07 06:39 PM   #38 
              - Cool and thanks  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:42 PM   #43 
           - Semantics  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:41 PM   #41 
              - well, i'm probably putting my foot in my mouth trying to interpret what someone else wrote  kineta   Mar-05-07 07:00 PM   #48 
                 - Actually, I do consider myself prone to addictive behaviors  skygazer   Mar-05-07 07:30 PM   #50 
     - Whoa! Cool down, friend.  varkam   Mar-05-07 11:58 PM   #65 
        - And, for clarification purposes  varkam   Mar-06-07 12:00 AM   #66 
  - It depends on the person.  uppityperson   Mar-05-07 05:33 PM   #3 
  - And this is a statement I do agree with  skygazer   Mar-05-07 05:45 PM   #12 
  - I will celebrate 7 years in May, but prior to that I had attended AA for  monmouth   Mar-05-07 05:35 PM   #5 
  - Thanks for your response  skygazer   Mar-05-07 05:48 PM   #14 
  - Hi skygazer (are you an astronomer? my hubby loves his telescope)  AZDemDist6   Mar-05-07 05:36 PM   #6 
  - That's a good idea - I tend to forget about the other forums  skygazer   Mar-05-07 05:52 PM   #16 
     - thanks! you do realize the 12 steps *ARE* the coping skills right?  AZDemDist6   Mar-05-07 06:34 PM   #34 
  - did for me -- 22 years clean and sober.  xchrom   Mar-05-07 05:36 PM   #7 
  - Well, I'm glad it did  skygazer   Mar-05-07 05:57 PM   #18 
  - Don't beat yourself up over this  jaysunb   Mar-05-07 05:38 PM   #8 
  - It's not a matter of beating myself up  skygazer   Mar-05-07 05:56 PM   #17 
  - Not everyone has to use one. Different methods for differnent people, but  GreenPartyVoter   Mar-05-07 05:40 PM   #9 
  - Not if you quit at the 3rd step  WorldResident   Mar-05-07 05:40 PM   #10 
  - Yes works for some for various reasons. Some people are...  1620rock   Mar-05-07 05:58 PM   #20 
  - In my experience  trixie   Mar-05-07 05:47 PM   #13 
  - They work for some people, but not everyone.  Gormy Cuss   Mar-05-07 05:58 PM   #19 
  - Yup... they work if you do.... -nt  MazeRat7   Mar-05-07 06:00 PM   #21 
  - But does that mean the program works?  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:18 PM   #27 
  - there are many variables -  nosmokes   Mar-05-07 06:03 PM   #23 
  - I don't agree with the 'all or nothing' credo - or 'once an addict always an addict'  kineta   Mar-05-07 06:07 PM   #24 
  - AA is to learn to live sober comfortably  sandnsea   Mar-05-07 06:26 PM   #28 
  - I'm not trying to bash them  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:31 PM   #32 
  - This is an interesting topic. I'm not a 12 stepper, but I'm not rabidly anti-12 step either.  impeachdubya   Mar-05-07 06:26 PM   #29 
  - Thanks for the thoughtful post and the links  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:37 PM   #37 
  - Yeah, depending on who you ask, the rates are quite interesting.  impeachdubya   Mar-05-07 06:41 PM   #42 
  - Thank You for posting those links.  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Mar-06-07 03:11 PM   #78 
  - As a confirmed lush, but still a thinking person, I don't buy any 12 steps  tech3149   Mar-05-07 06:33 PM   #33 
  - No offense intended, but...  impeachdubya   Mar-05-07 06:36 PM   #36 
  - I'm starting to feel like this is some sort of contest  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:49 PM   #45 
     - I can believe it when you say you crawled away.  conscious evolution   Mar-05-07 07:47 PM   #53 
  - Complex issue. First you have to realize that we don't all use the  greyhound1966   Mar-05-07 06:40 PM   #40 
  - Excellent point in you last line  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:51 PM   #46 
  - I don't personally believe in 12 step programs  EvolveOrConvolve   Mar-05-07 06:49 PM   #44 
  - Thanks very much  skygazer   Mar-05-07 06:52 PM   #47 
  - As someone above mentioned  Pastiche423   Mar-05-07 07:05 PM   #49 
  - Congratulations  skygazer   Mar-05-07 07:33 PM   #51 
  - EVERY method of quitting works equally well.  Atman   Mar-05-07 07:35 PM   #52 
  - Rehabs are separate entities  there-s a   Mar-06-07 08:43 AM   #68 
     - AA gets "funding" from the government via a steady stream of referrals  Atman   Mar-06-07 12:03 PM   #75 
        - I agree on some points  there-s a   Mar-06-07 01:38 PM   #77 
  - There is 'quitting' and then there is dealing with the 'thinking' and behav iors  caligirl   Mar-05-07 07:50 PM   #54 
  - In the interests of not typing the same thing twice  skygazer   Mar-06-07 04:21 PM   #84 
     - You speak of this as though you were the target of' belittlement"  caligirl   Mar-06-07 05:46 PM   #87 
        - Whoa, calm down!  skygazer   Mar-06-07 05:57 PM   #88 
  - Same thing can be said for mental health "therapy"  bobbolink   Mar-05-07 08:20 PM   #56 
  - First, congratulations on being clean for 12 years!  SeattleGirl   Mar-05-07 08:32 PM   #57 
  - I'd go one further- I don't for a minute believe Bush has been sober for the past 7 years.  impeachdubya   Mar-05-07 10:54 PM   #62 
     - Now that you mention it.......  SeattleGirl   Mar-06-07 12:01 AM   #67 
  - Good questions.... my answer: yes and no...  sjbech   Mar-05-07 09:01 PM   #59 
  - If your goal is to take 12 steps.  BlooInBloo   Mar-05-07 10:23 PM   #61 
  - They were a little too cultish for my taste  thecatburgler   Mar-05-07 11:31 PM   #64 
  - They work for some but unfortunately they  BoneDaddy   Mar-06-07 09:09 AM   #69 
  - Yes, they do work.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-06-07 09:34 AM   #70 
  - "It if were a matter of willpower, I don't think anyone would be an addict, just a casual user"  skygazer   Mar-06-07 10:11 AM   #71 
  - If I told you that your daughter/son was forever lost to you unless  Midlodemocrat   Mar-06-07 11:55 AM   #72 
  - I think hardwiring changes  sandnsea   Mar-06-07 03:29 PM   #80 
  - The only thing I would add is that there is group support that is not 12 step or "spiritual-based"  impeachdubya   Mar-06-07 11:58 AM   #73 
  - I'm addicted to 12-step programs  leftofthedial   Mar-06-07 12:00 PM   #74 
  - 12 step programs are about brainwashing & disempowering the individual.  NotGivingUp   Mar-06-07 12:08 PM   #76 
  - You already exhibit too much independence and critical thinking for a 12 step group  Marnieworld   Mar-06-07 03:21 PM   #79 
  - No need to apologise - I take it as a compliment  skygazer   Mar-06-07 03:57 PM   #82 
  - I actually got exposure to AVRT in other places, but I've found Trimpey and RR a bit too dogmatic on  impeachdubya   Mar-06-07 06:04 PM   #89 
  - Critical of them  Madspirit   Mar-06-07 03:39 PM   #81 
  - Dr Crippen of NHS Blog Doctor states my love-hate position more succinctly than I can  Book Lover   Mar-06-07 04:21 PM   #83 
  - Yes, that's one of the things that very much bothers me  skygazer   Mar-06-07 04:25 PM   #85 
     - Or give oneself permission to binge  sandnsea   Mar-06-07 06:20 PM   #90 
  - First of all, congrats on your success!!!  AZBlue   Mar-06-07 04:45 PM   #86 
 

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