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138. depends
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 02:20 PM by Two Americas
Depends on what we are going for. A smoothly running empire and corporate machine that "gets things done" with a patina of liberal causes probably makes messy things like impeachment just an impediment to our march into the glorious future.

War crimes, torture, the destruction of the Bill of Rights, corporate control over all resources, the collapse of the public infrastructure - What does it say about us and about the truth about the modern Democratic party that so many people see these as petty or distracting issues? what sort of "win" are we seeking that leaves all of that off the table? Win for whom? To what end? So we can have a more intelligent and charismatic figurehead running the show, and so that we can continue to be complacent about the crisis we are in, and keep telling ourselves that we are "taking baby steps" and that we are "better than the Republicans" as though that means a damned thing in the real world.

I think people are going for feeling good rather than for fighting back and actually achieving objective results in the real world, and feeling good requires putting our heads in the sand while be pat ourselves on the back for being oh so "practical" and "realistic." Only a small percentage of the population can afford to promote a political program of feeling good at the expense of actual;ly taking up the fight against those who are bent on destroying us and our country, with the willing compliance of most in the "opposition" party.

We are fighting for our lives. The few, the relatively comfortable and privileged who control the party and liberalism at all levels keep telling us to go slow, to be cautious, to be clever, to be patient. Easy for them to say that; they have little at stake and are not at great personal risk. The upscale few, maybe 10% of the population at most, who dominate and control the discussion on what passes for the political left in this country, from the water cooler to the halls of Congress, seek to tie our hands behind our backs while the right wingers endlessly pummel and destroy us. They are betraying the people for the sake of a shallow and meaningless "win" that will only benefit the few.

Of course the Democrats are "better than the Republicans." Fire fighters - in theory at least - are better than arsonists, too. But we don't judge them by the same standards, do we? When the whole f-ing town is burning down, and the fire fighters are sitting on their asses making excuses, or befriending and cooperating with the arsonists, "we are better than the arsonists so keep supporting us and being loyal to us and don't consider or do anything else" is a pretty pathetic excuse, and it soon becomes obvious that they have no intention of protecting us from the arsonists and do not care that the whole town is on fire. We would be better off to put the fires out ourselves rather than wait for the fire fighters to do anything, but we have people right here everyday telling us not to do that because it will somehow "hurt the cause" - the cause of promoting and supporting the lazy, lying, corrupted and compromised fire fighters.

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  -Has Kucinich Exposed the Dems Complicity? kpete  Jun-13-08 10:51 AM   #0 
  - This PNAC group could not leave the 'opposition' up to chance  MartyL   Jun-13-08 11:07 AM   #1 
  - TRUTH!!!!  Freeusfromthechurch   Jun-13-08 07:59 PM   #41 
  - Pelosi announced "Elections" are off the table as they distract from policy making  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 01:55 AM   #84 
     - She says the American people don't want their legislators wasting their time campaigning  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 01:56 AM   #85 
        - All this tralk about impeachment, elections, campaigns is not what Americans want  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 01:58 AM   #86 
           - Madame speaker, it's the constitution stupid. Are you waiting for another war.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:00 AM   #87 
              - You don't represent the democratic party, your ears are shut and your mind closed  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:02 AM   #88 
  - Yes . . . it's been obvious that there is  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:48 PM   #71 
  - I have always felt that the people who stole the last two presidential elections  Just-plain-Kathy   Jun-13-08 11:27 PM   #73 
  - We're thinking alike . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 11:57 PM   #79 
  - How can you listen to Pelosi without thinking she's an air head  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:05 AM   #91 
  - Her biggest fear is that she might have to be president for a day.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:05 AM   #92 
  - Voted in as speaker because nobody else really wanted the job.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:06 AM   #93 
     - Our constitution needs heros not fearful people that just can't be bothered  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:08 AM   #94 
     - Also . . . how much is Pelosi worth now . . . $10 million plus .. .???  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:34 AM   #153 
        - shhhhhhhhh!  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 02:07 PM   #166 
     - We need Kucinich in as Speaker of the House  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:39 AM   #109 
        - THAT would be a dream ---- !!!  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:34 AM   #154 
  - I don't ... for the most part ---  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:32 AM   #152 
  - I'm thinking Cheney will fake a heart attack (-fake his death) and just move on.  Just-plain-Kathy   Jun-15-08 11:16 PM   #185 
  - I think it all went off as planned  Bluenorthwest   Jun-14-08 08:44 AM   #118 
     - Many of us wanted Kucinich/Edwards . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:37 AM   #155 
  - little late for that  blindpig   Jun-14-08 07:14 AM   #106 
  - You're not the only one!  Raksha   Jun-15-08 11:30 PM   #186 
  - Would you prefer McCain as President? Any viable option to those two?  George II   Jun-14-08 06:43 AM   #99 
  - So we're back to......  Stainless   Jun-14-08 09:40 AM   #122 
  - Not in my mind..  George II   Jun-14-08 03:50 PM   #141 
  - backward  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 01:13 PM   #129 
     - Corrosive and destructive?  George II   Jun-14-08 04:01 PM   #142 
        - yes, corrosive and destructive  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 05:50 PM   #145 
           - Yes, let's talk about what works, or would work - instead of just talking about what one perceives..  George II   Jun-15-08 11:29 AM   #158 
           - you proved my point  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 04:29 PM   #171 
              - This is getting ridiculous:  George II   Jun-15-08 06:19 PM   #177 
                 - what policies?  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:23 PM   #178 
                    - My last message said this was "starting" to get ridiculous..  George II   Jun-16-08 08:00 AM   #194 
                       - so...  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 04:08 PM   #197 
                          - Still nothing...  George II   Jun-16-08 04:59 PM   #200 
                             - huh?  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 05:29 PM   #202 
                                - Just as I suspected...  George II   Jun-16-08 05:47 PM   #203 
                                   - ROFL  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 05:55 PM   #204 
                                      - .....  George II   Jun-16-08 05:56 PM   #205 
                                         - this is kinda fun  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 06:00 PM   #207 
           - AMEN Two Americas and APPLAUSE for a string of beautifully worded and righteous posts!  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 05:12 AM   #191 
              - thanks farce  Two Americas   Jun-17-08 08:35 PM   #215 
  - If yer banking on 'hope'  blindpig   Jun-14-08 07:12 AM   #105 
  - Can you say DLC?  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:36 AM   #108 
     - misleading  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 01:24 PM   #131 
        - Eliminating the DLC would be one hell of a good start  mrone2   Jun-14-08 01:38 PM   #134 
           - how?  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 05:57 PM   #146 
              - Ummm, you vote them out at every opportunity  mrone2   Jun-15-08 07:41 AM   #157 
                 - won't work  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 01:51 PM   #162 
                    - So your solution is to simply not try?  mrone2   Jun-15-08 04:48 PM   #173 
                       - of course not  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 05:33 PM   #174 
  - No.  ColbertWatcher   Jun-13-08 11:09 AM   #2 
  - Did you forget the sarcasm tag?  Ghost in the Machine   Jun-13-08 11:41 AM   #10 
     - No, I did not forget the sarcasm tag. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-13-08 11:41 AM   #12 
  - He certainly has separated himself from those who refuse to impeach.  Swamp Rat   Jun-13-08 11:11 AM   #3 
  - yes.  dana_b   Jun-13-08 12:32 PM   #16 
  - dupe-sorry  MartyL   Jun-13-08 11:20 AM   #4 
  - "Progressive Democrats of America, Move On and every other progressive group"  MartyL   Jun-13-08 11:22 AM   #5 
  - Good point. n/t  greyhound1966   Jun-13-08 11:57 AM   #13 
  - Excellent point.  LWolf   Jun-13-08 03:56 PM   #28 
  - Agree n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-13-08 04:57 PM   #35 
  - Excellent questions . . . !!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:37 PM   #64 
  - I totally agree. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-13-08 11:38 PM   #76 
  - Yes, PDA did all of the above. EXCEPT putting it to Obama. And I have doubts  robinlynne   Jun-14-08 12:43 AM   #83 
  - Yes they have and have been for years now.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:03 AM   #89 
  - Impeachment is pointless  George II   Jun-14-08 06:45 AM   #100 
  - depends  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 02:19 PM   #138 
     - Sadly, this is all we see lately on DU:  George II   Jun-14-08 04:24 PM   #144 
        - yes  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 02:00 PM   #164 
           - Thanks..  George II   Jun-15-08 04:09 PM   #168 
              - mass organizing, mass strikes, mass resistance  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 04:36 PM   #172 
  - These groups are staying focused on the November election rather than tilting at windmills  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-15-08 05:56 PM   #175 
     - I doubt that  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:31 PM   #179 
  - As a Senator,  DearAbby   Jun-13-08 11:22 AM   #6 
  - No, Obama Does Not Get A Pass  Senator   Jun-13-08 12:32 PM   #17 
  - Touting removal is biased. Touting impeachment hearings--an investigation--is judicious. nt  petgoat   Jun-13-08 01:09 PM   #20 
  - Right! He should simply state that he is a juror in the event of impeachment.  Hart2008   Jun-13-08 08:40 PM   #47 
  - That's BS . . . even Sen, Goldwater found a way to tell us that Nixon was a criminal ---  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:39 PM   #65 
  - If it's not his place, he should have shut up about it.  DutchLiberal   Jun-16-08 04:32 PM   #199 
  - No. Their complicity has been out in the open since the beginning.  Edweird   Jun-13-08 11:28 AM   #7 
  - Some complicity has been out in the open since 1981  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-13-08 02:46 PM   #25 
  - Silence is complicity...  stillcool47   Jun-13-08 11:34 AM   #8 
  - I think he has  varelse   Jun-13-08 11:37 AM   #9 
  - I don't know about complicity  realpolitik   Jun-13-08 11:41 AM   #11 
  - Never happen  Hydra   Jun-13-08 12:20 PM   #14 
  - He's exposed why we need to keep Republicans out of office.  mzmolly   Jun-13-08 12:28 PM   #15 
  - No, he hasn't.  bowens43   Jun-13-08 12:42 PM   #18 
  - Not enough information. Please elaborate. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-13-08 11:39 PM   #77 
  - K&R  Pooka Fey   Jun-13-08 01:05 PM   #19 
  - Pelosi has threatened to remove Conyers from the Judicial Committee if he even opens and inquiry  GreenPartyVoter   Jun-13-08 01:11 PM   #21 
  - He should call her bluff  Hart2008   Jun-13-08 04:10 PM   #30 
  - Agree. He should dump it back in her lap.  Kansas Wyatt   Jun-13-08 04:20 PM   #34 
  - one small caveat  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:49 PM   #182 
  - If Pelosi removed Conyers I think she'd have a hell of a riot on her hands . . .????  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:32 PM   #62 
  - An Conyers has cowardly complied? Are you suggesting that he lacks a backbone?  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-15-08 05:57 PM   #176 
  - He is a real threat to the DLC, New Dems and other RW political machines inside the Democratic Party  bobthedrummer   Jun-13-08 01:13 PM   #22 
  - Democrats should be voting DLC members out of our party at every opportunity  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:42 AM   #110 
  - Who didn't see this coming?  Psyop Samurai   Jun-13-08 02:20 PM   #23 
  - Agree with you re Obama . . ..  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:35 PM   #63 
  - That, or something close to it like simple cowardice and lack of principles.  tom_paine   Jun-13-08 02:42 PM   #24 
  - my conspiracy theory  westcor   Jun-13-08 03:00 PM   #26 
  - I don't think there was a need for that horse-trade  magellan   Jun-14-08 12:08 AM   #82 
  - I know some Dem's are complicit  undergroundpanther   Jun-13-08 03:54 PM   #27 
  - YES. n/t  LWolf   Jun-13-08 03:58 PM   #29 
  - Abso-fucking-lutely. K&R  Echo In Light   Jun-13-08 04:10 PM   #31 
  - YES.  crickets   Jun-13-08 04:13 PM   #32 
  - fyi  snot   Jun-13-08 04:20 PM   #33 
  - I have a feeling, he knows even more  OzarkDem   Jun-13-08 04:59 PM   #36 
  - I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in a small aircraft crash with what he knows...  FarceOfNature   Jun-13-08 05:04 PM   #37 
  - Of course he does...  saddlesore   Jun-13-08 08:09 PM   #44 
  - Yes, he has in the past and not just on impeachment...  slipslidingaway   Jun-13-08 06:32 PM   #38 
  - Kucinich - great American and Democrat  pberq   Jun-13-08 07:58 PM   #40 
  - Thanks for NOT slipslidingaway on this post.  bertman   Jun-13-08 09:13 PM   #50 
  - Welcome to DU, yes he nailed it. As to why others do not  slipslidingaway   Jun-14-08 10:50 AM   #127 
  - And some say this man couldn't be elected --- !!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:43 PM   #66 
  - "The institutionalized influence of corporate America through the Democratic leadership council"  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:54 AM   #112 
  - So Representative financial ties to corporations needs to be put 'on the table'  windoe   Jun-13-08 07:54 PM   #39 
  - Teddy Roosevelt in . . . 1915 . . . ??? "Corporations have to be barred ...  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:44 PM   #67 
     - This is the key- corporate ties to government and corporate personhood  windoe   Jun-14-08 06:50 AM   #103 
  - Another idiot who forgot to read the constitution and can't count count...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 08:01 PM   #42 
  - utter nonsense  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 09:17 PM   #51 
     - Two thirds majority in the senate to convict....  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 09:50 PM   #55 
     - you have to be kidding  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 10:00 PM   #58 
     - The numbers matter and even Hillary had to accept it...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 10:12 PM   #59 
        - you are lecturing me without cause or credibility  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 10:48 PM   #70 
        - I agree with you  Gilligan   Jun-16-08 11:23 PM   #214 
        - Thank you for being a sane poster  karynnj   Jun-15-08 11:59 PM   #188 
           - that is not the way politics work  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 04:26 PM   #198 
     - You're guilty of excessive pragmatism  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-13-08 10:47 PM   #69 
     - We count the votes AFTER the hearings. Not before.  petgoat   Jun-14-08 10:45 AM   #126 
        - of course  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:39 PM   #181 
     - "The two are not at odds with each other."  LWolf   Jun-14-08 08:18 AM   #115 
  - Dennis said that if this one dies he will bring it back...  saddlesore   Jun-13-08 08:07 PM   #43 
  - He is on minute 18..  Pavulon   Jun-13-08 08:09 PM   #45 
  - WHY does Pelosi keep getting reelected???  FunMe   Jun-13-08 08:36 PM   #46 
  - Diebold?  Twist_U_Up   Jun-13-08 08:48 PM   #49 
  - Nine times with an average of 81% of the I'd say you're wrong...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 09:55 PM   #56 
  - Ask the 81 percenters...that's been her average over the years...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 09:56 PM   #57 
  - 81% BASED ON HER LIBERAL RECORD PRIOR TO NOW  bertman   Jun-13-08 10:24 PM   #60 
     - If that's the way you feel, change your affiliation to "republican"  George II   Jun-14-08 06:47 AM   #102 
     - I think it's better to change the Democratic Party by voting out the DLC  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:57 AM   #113 
     - OK, fine...  George II   Jun-14-08 09:20 AM   #121 
        - Well, if your legislator is up for election and you know he is a DLC member  mrone2   Jun-14-08 10:59 AM   #128 
           - What's the deal with the DLC? Why is everyone so set against them?  George II   Jun-14-08 04:16 PM   #143 
              - Because they are a conservative influence on the Democratic Party  mrone2   Jun-14-08 06:44 PM   #148 
                 - I'm familiar with the DLC, just not familiar with this irrational perception of the DLC.  George II   Jun-14-08 06:59 PM   # 
                    - Oh, and whats your perception of the DLC  mrone2   Jun-15-08 07:32 AM   #156 
                       - My perception certainly isn't one of a bunch of democrats in cahoots with conservatives.  George II   Jun-15-08 11:30 AM   #159 
                          - Ludicrous as it may seem, that's exactly what the DLC is.  mrone2   Jun-15-08 12:14 PM   #160 
                             - It's even easier for you to say specifically what they "are" instead of these vague accusations.  George II   Jun-15-08 04:10 PM   #169 
     - I TRIED THAT 44 YEARS AGO, BUT COULDN'T HANG WITH THEM AFTER  bertman   Jun-14-08 01:21 PM   #130 
        - Hopey? Who the F- is that?  George II   Jun-14-08 07:07 PM   #151 
     - there is liberal, and then there is liberal  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 02:00 PM   #137 
     - well, she just got 89 percent in the primary  onenote   Jun-16-08 06:14 PM   #208 
  - Easy. The average American hasn't figured  mmonk   Jun-13-08 10:25 PM   #61 
  - Sadly, if they're busy watching MSNBC, Fox or American idol, they won't.  bertman   Jun-14-08 12:00 AM   #81 
  - There's only one answer: MONEY ---  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:46 PM   #68 
  - Um, maybe because she serves her constituency? Isn't that how it works?  George II   Jun-14-08 06:46 AM   #101 
  - Yes, just look at her donor lists and then look at the names of the beneficiaries  greyhound1966   Jun-15-08 01:02 PM   #161 
     - Hah! I guess the American form of democracy isn't good enough for you?  George II   Jun-15-08 04:02 PM   #167 
        - dollars vote  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 07:18 PM   #184 
        - Depends on what you're talking about, the myth of American Democracy  greyhound1966   Jun-16-08 05:08 AM   #190 
  - Same reason every incumbent (generally) gets reelected  tavalon   Jun-14-08 09:56 AM   #124 
  - K&R... "Some so..called" Progressive Blogs have been very silent on Kucinich  KoKo01   Jun-13-08 08:43 PM   #48 
  - k and r  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 09:21 PM   #52 
  - agreed  G_j   Jun-13-08 09:25 PM   #53 
  - Thanks kpete  balantz   Jun-13-08 09:33 PM   #54 
  - This bullshit is a waste of electrons...  TreasonousBastard   Jun-13-08 11:10 PM   #72 
  - What you said -- Exactly right!  DeeDeeNY   Jun-14-08 07:19 AM   #107 
  - I don't believe there is anything  LWolf   Jun-14-08 08:23 AM   #116 
     - I was going to comment that its sad that the election  Desertrose   Jun-14-08 01:27 PM   #132 
        - Hi, friend!  LWolf   Jun-14-08 01:55 PM   #136 
  - He has. He was  Cleita   Jun-13-08 11:36 PM   #74 
  - As usual kpete, I'm with you all the way. k&r. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-13-08 11:37 PM   #75 
  - What a great article and discussion.  jonestonesusa   Jun-13-08 11:54 PM   #78 
  - It's important if we don't want the same criminals to resurface in eight  Cleita   Jun-13-08 11:58 PM   #80 
  - Impeachment is not about the election.  LWolf   Jun-14-08 08:27 AM   #117 
     - To a point, I agree...of course the rule of law is important  jonestonesusa   Jun-14-08 08:49 AM   #119 
        - It doesn't have to succeed.  LWolf   Jun-14-08 09:12 AM   #120 
  - Excellent op, kick and recommended...  AuntPatsy   Jun-14-08 02:05 AM   #90 
  - YES. n/t  Triana   Jun-14-08 02:09 AM   #95 
  - The important thing is to put Bush's crimes on record  LastLiberal in PalmSprings   Jun-14-08 04:13 AM   #96 
  - Then impeach, then convict.  lonestarnot   Jun-15-08 02:04 PM   #165 
  - kr  Progs Rock   Jun-14-08 05:36 AM   #97 
  - I'm voting for Al Franken  George II   Jun-14-08 06:42 AM   #98 
  - Yes, he has.  Orsino   Jun-14-08 06:54 AM   #104 
  - Why is there little difference between the two parties?  mrone2   Jun-14-08 08:00 AM   #114 
     - attacking a label  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 01:46 PM   #135 
        - It's not getting rid of a "label"  mrone2   Jun-14-08 02:36 PM   #139 
           - how?  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 03:17 PM   #140 
              - The DLC espouses conservative values, the DLC has great influence in the Democratic Party  mrone2   Jun-14-08 06:38 PM   #147 
                 - other way around  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 01:54 PM   #163 
  - Yes he has, but Dem complicity has other markers, too.  Voltaire99   Jun-14-08 07:50 AM   #111 
  - Dems are complicit because they knew Bush was lying.  wurzel   Jun-14-08 09:54 AM   #123 
  - i support kucinich...  tomp   Jun-14-08 10:43 AM   #125 
  - IMO, Barack is wise to stay out of this. However, every other Dem has no excuse.  Zorra   Jun-14-08 01:31 PM   #133 
  - If the House in the next month or so does all that,  karynnj   Jun-16-08 12:08 AM   #189 
  - Yes, Yes, and Yes! And we can assume they have something to hide!  TheGoldenRule   Jun-14-08 06:46 PM   #149 
  - Yup.  bushwentawol   Jun-14-08 06:59 PM   #150 
  - What self indulgent bullshit.  Radical Activist   Jun-15-08 04:14 PM   #170 
  - How does Dennis "make himself an easy target"?  Raksha   Jun-15-08 06:33 PM   #180 
  - By working harder, being better organized, hiring better staff and not saying he saw a UFO.  Radical Activist   Jun-15-08 11:40 PM   #187 
     - I don't believe in teh Christian god but you don't see me going on about an invisible man in the sky  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 05:22 AM   #193 
  - try to explain to me how you reconcile having Che up there with that sentiment!  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 05:20 AM   #192 
  - Oh. You're still on DU?  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 09:35 AM   #195 
  - When did Barack Obama turn into a liberal?  Solon   Jun-16-08 05:18 PM   #201 
     - He's the first left wing movement activist to become the Democratic nominee.  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 07:56 PM   #211 
        - And can you point to any of his policy positions that are anything approaching the left wing?  Solon   Jun-16-08 11:07 PM   #213 
  - ewww  Smear Talk Express   Jun-15-08 07:13 PM   #183 
  - Kucinich didn't speak out for impeachment either time he ran for President.  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 11:27 AM   #196 
     - He promised Impeachment while running for president  MartyL   Jun-16-08 05:59 PM   #206 
     - Video... April 2007 Democratic debate  slipslidingaway   Jun-16-08 07:17 PM   #209 
        - Dick Cheney is not George Bush.  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 07:53 PM   #210 
           - It's about the crimes of the Bush administration which includes  slipslidingaway   Jun-16-08 09:45 PM   #212 

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