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83. Yes, PDA did all of the above. EXCEPT putting it to Obama. And I have doubts
about whether or not that is a good strategy. I think the senate and congress, hell yes. Obama, as a Senator, yes. As a presidential candidate, no. he is winning the presidency.
I think we need to protect the election so he can take office.
He is not a John Edwards, Edwards, but he is our next president.
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  -Has Kucinich Exposed the Dems Complicity? kpete  Jun-13-08 10:51 AM   #0 
  - This PNAC group could not leave the 'opposition' up to chance  MartyL   Jun-13-08 11:07 AM   #1 
  - TRUTH!!!!  Freeusfromthechurch   Jun-13-08 07:59 PM   #41 
  - Pelosi announced "Elections" are off the table as they distract from policy making  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 01:55 AM   #84 
     - She says the American people don't want their legislators wasting their time campaigning  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 01:56 AM   #85 
        - All this tralk about impeachment, elections, campaigns is not what Americans want  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 01:58 AM   #86 
           - Madame speaker, it's the constitution stupid. Are you waiting for another war.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:00 AM   #87 
              - You don't represent the democratic party, your ears are shut and your mind closed  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:02 AM   #88 
  - Yes . . . it's been obvious that there is  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:48 PM   #71 
  - I have always felt that the people who stole the last two presidential elections  Just-plain-Kathy   Jun-13-08 11:27 PM   #73 
  - We're thinking alike . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 11:57 PM   #79 
  - How can you listen to Pelosi without thinking she's an air head  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:05 AM   #91 
  - Her biggest fear is that she might have to be president for a day.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:05 AM   #92 
  - Voted in as speaker because nobody else really wanted the job.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:06 AM   #93 
     - Our constitution needs heros not fearful people that just can't be bothered  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:08 AM   #94 
     - Also . . . how much is Pelosi worth now . . . $10 million plus .. .???  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:34 AM   #153 
        - shhhhhhhhh!  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 02:07 PM   #166 
     - We need Kucinich in as Speaker of the House  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:39 AM   #109 
        - THAT would be a dream ---- !!!  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:34 AM   #154 
  - I don't ... for the most part ---  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:32 AM   #152 
  - I'm thinking Cheney will fake a heart attack (-fake his death) and just move on.  Just-plain-Kathy   Jun-15-08 11:16 PM   #185 
  - I think it all went off as planned  Bluenorthwest   Jun-14-08 08:44 AM   #118 
     - Many of us wanted Kucinich/Edwards . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:37 AM   #155 
  - little late for that  blindpig   Jun-14-08 07:14 AM   #106 
  - You're not the only one!  Raksha   Jun-15-08 11:30 PM   #186 
  - Would you prefer McCain as President? Any viable option to those two?  George II   Jun-14-08 06:43 AM   #99 
  - So we're back to......  Stainless   Jun-14-08 09:40 AM   #122 
  - Not in my mind..  George II   Jun-14-08 03:50 PM   #141 
  - backward  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 01:13 PM   #129 
     - Corrosive and destructive?  George II   Jun-14-08 04:01 PM   #142 
        - yes, corrosive and destructive  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 05:50 PM   #145 
           - Yes, let's talk about what works, or would work - instead of just talking about what one perceives..  George II   Jun-15-08 11:29 AM   #158 
           - you proved my point  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 04:29 PM   #171 
              - This is getting ridiculous:  George II   Jun-15-08 06:19 PM   #177 
                 - what policies?  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:23 PM   #178 
                    - My last message said this was "starting" to get ridiculous..  George II   Jun-16-08 08:00 AM   #194 
                       - so...  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 04:08 PM   #197 
                          - Still nothing...  George II   Jun-16-08 04:59 PM   #200 
                             - huh?  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 05:29 PM   #202 
                                - Just as I suspected...  George II   Jun-16-08 05:47 PM   #203 
                                   - ROFL  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 05:55 PM   #204 
                                      - .....  George II   Jun-16-08 05:56 PM   #205 
                                         - this is kinda fun  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 06:00 PM   #207 
           - AMEN Two Americas and APPLAUSE for a string of beautifully worded and righteous posts!  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 05:12 AM   #191 
              - thanks farce  Two Americas   Jun-17-08 08:35 PM   #215 
  - If yer banking on 'hope'  blindpig   Jun-14-08 07:12 AM   #105 
  - Can you say DLC?  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:36 AM   #108 
     - misleading  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 01:24 PM   #131 
        - Eliminating the DLC would be one hell of a good start  mrone2   Jun-14-08 01:38 PM   #134 
           - how?  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 05:57 PM   #146 
              - Ummm, you vote them out at every opportunity  mrone2   Jun-15-08 07:41 AM   #157 
                 - won't work  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 01:51 PM   #162 
                    - So your solution is to simply not try?  mrone2   Jun-15-08 04:48 PM   #173 
                       - of course not  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 05:33 PM   #174 
  - No.  ColbertWatcher   Jun-13-08 11:09 AM   #2 
  - Did you forget the sarcasm tag?  Ghost in the Machine   Jun-13-08 11:41 AM   #10 
     - No, I did not forget the sarcasm tag. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-13-08 11:41 AM   #12 
  - He certainly has separated himself from those who refuse to impeach.  Swamp Rat   Jun-13-08 11:11 AM   #3 
  - yes.  dana_b   Jun-13-08 12:32 PM   #16 
  - dupe-sorry  MartyL   Jun-13-08 11:20 AM   #4 
  - "Progressive Democrats of America, Move On and every other progressive group"  MartyL   Jun-13-08 11:22 AM   #5 
  - Good point. n/t  greyhound1966   Jun-13-08 11:57 AM   #13 
  - Excellent point.  LWolf   Jun-13-08 03:56 PM   #28 
  - Agree n/t  slipslidingaway   Jun-13-08 04:57 PM   #35 
  - Excellent questions . . . !!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:37 PM   #64 
  - I totally agree. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-13-08 11:38 PM   #76 
  - Yes, PDA did all of the above. EXCEPT putting it to Obama. And I have doubts  robinlynne   Jun-14-08 12:43 AM   #83 
  - Yes they have and have been for years now.  bjobotts   Jun-14-08 02:03 AM   #89 
  - Impeachment is pointless  George II   Jun-14-08 06:45 AM   #100 
  - depends  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 02:19 PM   #138 
     - Sadly, this is all we see lately on DU:  George II   Jun-14-08 04:24 PM   #144 
        - yes  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 02:00 PM   #164 
           - Thanks..  George II   Jun-15-08 04:09 PM   #168 
              - mass organizing, mass strikes, mass resistance  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 04:36 PM   #172 
  - These groups are staying focused on the November election rather than tilting at windmills  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-15-08 05:56 PM   #175 
     - I doubt that  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:31 PM   #179 
  - As a Senator,  DearAbby   Jun-13-08 11:22 AM   #6 
  - No, Obama Does Not Get A Pass  Senator   Jun-13-08 12:32 PM   #17 
  - Touting removal is biased. Touting impeachment hearings--an investigation--is judicious. nt  petgoat   Jun-13-08 01:09 PM   #20 
  - Right! He should simply state that he is a juror in the event of impeachment.  Hart2008   Jun-13-08 08:40 PM   #47 
  - That's BS . . . even Sen, Goldwater found a way to tell us that Nixon was a criminal ---  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:39 PM   #65 
  - If it's not his place, he should have shut up about it.  DutchLiberal   Jun-16-08 04:32 PM   #199 
  - No. Their complicity has been out in the open since the beginning.  Edweird   Jun-13-08 11:28 AM   #7 
  - Some complicity has been out in the open since 1981  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-13-08 02:46 PM   #25 
  - Silence is complicity...  stillcool47   Jun-13-08 11:34 AM   #8 
  - I think he has  varelse   Jun-13-08 11:37 AM   #9 
  - I don't know about complicity  realpolitik   Jun-13-08 11:41 AM   #11 
  - Never happen  Hydra   Jun-13-08 12:20 PM   #14 
  - He's exposed why we need to keep Republicans out of office.  mzmolly   Jun-13-08 12:28 PM   #15 
  - No, he hasn't.  bowens43   Jun-13-08 12:42 PM   #18 
  - Not enough information. Please elaborate. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-13-08 11:39 PM   #77 
  - K&R  Pooka Fey   Jun-13-08 01:05 PM   #19 
  - Pelosi has threatened to remove Conyers from the Judicial Committee if he even opens and inquiry  GreenPartyVoter   Jun-13-08 01:11 PM   #21 
  - He should call her bluff  Hart2008   Jun-13-08 04:10 PM   #30 
  - Agree. He should dump it back in her lap.  Kansas Wyatt   Jun-13-08 04:20 PM   #34 
  - one small caveat  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:49 PM   #182 
  - If Pelosi removed Conyers I think she'd have a hell of a riot on her hands . . .????  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:32 PM   #62 
  - An Conyers has cowardly complied? Are you suggesting that he lacks a backbone?  Freddie Stubbs   Jun-15-08 05:57 PM   #176 
  - He is a real threat to the DLC, New Dems and other RW political machines inside the Democratic Party  bobthedrummer   Jun-13-08 01:13 PM   #22 
  - Democrats should be voting DLC members out of our party at every opportunity  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:42 AM   #110 
  - Who didn't see this coming?  Psyop Samurai   Jun-13-08 02:20 PM   #23 
  - Agree with you re Obama . . ..  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:35 PM   #63 
  - That, or something close to it like simple cowardice and lack of principles.  tom_paine   Jun-13-08 02:42 PM   #24 
  - my conspiracy theory  westcor   Jun-13-08 03:00 PM   #26 
  - I don't think there was a need for that horse-trade  magellan   Jun-14-08 12:08 AM   #82 
  - I know some Dem's are complicit  undergroundpanther   Jun-13-08 03:54 PM   #27 
  - YES. n/t  LWolf   Jun-13-08 03:58 PM   #29 
  - Abso-fucking-lutely. K&R  Echo In Light   Jun-13-08 04:10 PM   #31 
  - YES.  crickets   Jun-13-08 04:13 PM   #32 
  - fyi  snot   Jun-13-08 04:20 PM   #33 
  - I have a feeling, he knows even more  OzarkDem   Jun-13-08 04:59 PM   #36 
  - I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in a small aircraft crash with what he knows...  FarceOfNature   Jun-13-08 05:04 PM   #37 
  - Of course he does...  saddlesore   Jun-13-08 08:09 PM   #44 
  - Yes, he has in the past and not just on impeachment...  slipslidingaway   Jun-13-08 06:32 PM   #38 
  - Kucinich - great American and Democrat  pberq   Jun-13-08 07:58 PM   #40 
  - Thanks for NOT slipslidingaway on this post.  bertman   Jun-13-08 09:13 PM   #50 
  - Welcome to DU, yes he nailed it. As to why others do not  slipslidingaway   Jun-14-08 10:50 AM   #127 
  - And some say this man couldn't be elected --- !!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:43 PM   #66 
  - "The institutionalized influence of corporate America through the Democratic leadership council"  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:54 AM   #112 
  - So Representative financial ties to corporations needs to be put 'on the table'  windoe   Jun-13-08 07:54 PM   #39 
  - Teddy Roosevelt in . . . 1915 . . . ??? "Corporations have to be barred ...  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:44 PM   #67 
     - This is the key- corporate ties to government and corporate personhood  windoe   Jun-14-08 06:50 AM   #103 
  - Another idiot who forgot to read the constitution and can't count count...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 08:01 PM   #42 
  - utter nonsense  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 09:17 PM   #51 
     - Two thirds majority in the senate to convict....  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 09:50 PM   #55 
     - you have to be kidding  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 10:00 PM   #58 
     - The numbers matter and even Hillary had to accept it...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 10:12 PM   #59 
        - you are lecturing me without cause or credibility  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 10:48 PM   #70 
        - I agree with you  Gilligan   Jun-16-08 11:23 PM   #214 
        - Thank you for being a sane poster  karynnj   Jun-15-08 11:59 PM   #188 
           - that is not the way politics work  Two Americas   Jun-16-08 04:26 PM   #198 
     - You're guilty of excessive pragmatism  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-13-08 10:47 PM   #69 
     - We count the votes AFTER the hearings. Not before.  petgoat   Jun-14-08 10:45 AM   #126 
        - of course  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 06:39 PM   #181 
     - "The two are not at odds with each other."  LWolf   Jun-14-08 08:18 AM   #115 
  - Dennis said that if this one dies he will bring it back...  saddlesore   Jun-13-08 08:07 PM   #43 
  - He is on minute 18..  Pavulon   Jun-13-08 08:09 PM   #45 
  - WHY does Pelosi keep getting reelected???  FunMe   Jun-13-08 08:36 PM   #46 
  - Diebold?  Twist_U_Up   Jun-13-08 08:48 PM   #49 
  - Nine times with an average of 81% of the vote...so I'd say you're wrong...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 09:55 PM   #56 
  - Ask the 81 percenters...that's been her average over the years...  cynatnite   Jun-13-08 09:56 PM   #57 
  - 81% BASED ON HER LIBERAL RECORD PRIOR TO NOW  bertman   Jun-13-08 10:24 PM   #60 
     - If that's the way you feel, change your affiliation to "republican"  George II   Jun-14-08 06:47 AM   #102 
     - I think it's better to change the Democratic Party by voting out the DLC  mrone2   Jun-14-08 07:57 AM   #113 
     - OK, fine...  George II   Jun-14-08 09:20 AM   #121 
        - Well, if your legislator is up for election and you know he is a DLC member  mrone2   Jun-14-08 10:59 AM   #128 
           - What's the deal with the DLC? Why is everyone so set against them?  George II   Jun-14-08 04:16 PM   #143 
              - Because they are a conservative influence on the Democratic Party  mrone2   Jun-14-08 06:44 PM   #148 
                 - I'm familiar with the DLC, just not familiar with this irrational perception of the DLC.  George II   Jun-14-08 06:59 PM   # 
                    - Oh, and whats your perception of the DLC  mrone2   Jun-15-08 07:32 AM   #156 
                       - My perception certainly isn't one of a bunch of democrats in cahoots with conservatives.  George II   Jun-15-08 11:30 AM   #159 
                          - Ludicrous as it may seem, that's exactly what the DLC is.  mrone2   Jun-15-08 12:14 PM   #160 
                             - It's even easier for you to say specifically what they "are" instead of these vague accusations.  George II   Jun-15-08 04:10 PM   #169 
     - I TRIED THAT 44 YEARS AGO, BUT COULDN'T HANG WITH THEM AFTER  bertman   Jun-14-08 01:21 PM   #130 
        - Hopey? Who the F- is that?  George II   Jun-14-08 07:07 PM   #151 
     - there is liberal, and then there is liberal  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 02:00 PM   #137 
     - well, she just got 89 percent in the primary  onenote   Jun-16-08 06:14 PM   #208 
  - Easy. The average American hasn't figured  mmonk   Jun-13-08 10:25 PM   #61 
  - Sadly, if they're busy watching MSNBC, Fox or American idol, they won't.  bertman   Jun-14-08 12:00 AM   #81 
  - There's only one answer: MONEY ---  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 10:46 PM   #68 
  - Um, maybe because she serves her constituency? Isn't that how it works?  George II   Jun-14-08 06:46 AM   #101 
  - Yes, just look at her donor lists and then look at the names of the beneficiaries  greyhound1966   Jun-15-08 01:02 PM   #161 
     - Hah! I guess the American form of democracy isn't good enough for you?  George II   Jun-15-08 04:02 PM   #167 
        - dollars vote  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 07:18 PM   #184 
        - Depends on what you're talking about, the myth of American Democracy  greyhound1966   Jun-16-08 05:08 AM   #190 
  - Same reason every incumbent (generally) gets reelected  tavalon   Jun-14-08 09:56 AM   #124 
  - K&R... "Some so..called" Progressive Blogs have been very silent on Kucinich  KoKo01   Jun-13-08 08:43 PM   #48 
  - k and r  Two Americas   Jun-13-08 09:21 PM   #52 
  - agreed  G_j   Jun-13-08 09:25 PM   #53 
  - Thanks kpete  balantz   Jun-13-08 09:33 PM   #54 
  - This bullshit is a waste of electrons...  TreasonousBastard   Jun-13-08 11:10 PM   #72 
  - What you said -- Exactly right!  DeeDeeNY   Jun-14-08 07:19 AM   #107 
  - I don't believe there is anything  LWolf   Jun-14-08 08:23 AM   #116 
     - I was going to comment that its sad that the election  Desertrose   Jun-14-08 01:27 PM   #132 
        - Hi, friend!  LWolf   Jun-14-08 01:55 PM   #136 
  - He has. He was  Cleita   Jun-13-08 11:36 PM   #74 
  - As usual kpete, I'm with you all the way. k&r. nm  rhett o rick   Jun-13-08 11:37 PM   #75 
  - What a great article and discussion.  jonestonesusa   Jun-13-08 11:54 PM   #78 
  - It's important if we don't want the same criminals to resurface in eight  Cleita   Jun-13-08 11:58 PM   #80 
  - Impeachment is not about the election.  LWolf   Jun-14-08 08:27 AM   #117 
     - To a point, I agree...of course the rule of law is important  jonestonesusa   Jun-14-08 08:49 AM   #119 
        - It doesn't have to succeed.  LWolf   Jun-14-08 09:12 AM   #120 
  - Excellent op, kick and recommended...  AuntPatsy   Jun-14-08 02:05 AM   #90 
  - YES. n/t  Triana   Jun-14-08 02:09 AM   #95 
  - The important thing is to put Bush's crimes on record  LastLiberal in PalmSprings   Jun-14-08 04:13 AM   #96 
  - Then impeach, then convict.  lonestarnot   Jun-15-08 02:04 PM   #165 
  - kr  Progs Rock   Jun-14-08 05:36 AM   #97 
  - I'm voting for Al Franken  George II   Jun-14-08 06:42 AM   #98 
  - Yes, he has.  Orsino   Jun-14-08 06:54 AM   #104 
  - Why is there little difference between the two parties?  mrone2   Jun-14-08 08:00 AM   #114 
     - attacking a label  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 01:46 PM   #135 
        - It's not getting rid of a "label"  mrone2   Jun-14-08 02:36 PM   #139 
           - how?  Two Americas   Jun-14-08 03:17 PM   #140 
              - The DLC espouses conservative values, the DLC has great influence in the Democratic Party  mrone2   Jun-14-08 06:38 PM   #147 
                 - other way around  Two Americas   Jun-15-08 01:54 PM   #163 
  - Yes he has, but Dem complicity has other markers, too.  Voltaire99   Jun-14-08 07:50 AM   #111 
  - Dems are complicit because they knew Bush was lying.  wurzel   Jun-14-08 09:54 AM   #123 
  - i support kucinich...  tomp   Jun-14-08 10:43 AM   #125 
  - IMO, Barack is wise to stay out of this. However, every other Dem has no excuse.  Zorra   Jun-14-08 01:31 PM   #133 
  - If the House in the next month or so does all that,  karynnj   Jun-16-08 12:08 AM   #189 
  - Yes, Yes, and Yes! And we can assume they have something to hide!  TheGoldenRule   Jun-14-08 06:46 PM   #149 
  - Yup.  bushwentawol   Jun-14-08 06:59 PM   #150 
  - What self indulgent bullshit.  Radical Activist   Jun-15-08 04:14 PM   #170 
  - How does Dennis "make himself an easy target"?  Raksha   Jun-15-08 06:33 PM   #180 
  - By working harder, being better organized, hiring better staff and not saying he saw a UFO.  Radical Activist   Jun-15-08 11:40 PM   #187 
     - I don't believe in teh Christian god but you don't see me going on about an invisible man in the sky  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 05:22 AM   #193 
  - try to explain to me how you reconcile having Che up there with that sentiment!  FarceOfNature   Jun-16-08 05:20 AM   #192 
  - Oh. You're still on DU?  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 09:35 AM   #195 
  - When did Barack Obama turn into a liberal?  Solon   Jun-16-08 05:18 PM   #201 
     - He's the first left wing movement activist to become the Democratic nominee.  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 07:56 PM   #211 
        - And can you point to any of his policy positions that are anything approaching the left wing?  Solon   Jun-16-08 11:07 PM   #213 
  - ewww  Smear Talk Express   Jun-15-08 07:13 PM   #183 
  - Kucinich didn't speak out for impeachment either time he ran for President.  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 11:27 AM   #196 
     - He promised Impeachment while running for president  MartyL   Jun-16-08 05:59 PM   #206 
     - Video... April 2007 Democratic debate  slipslidingaway   Jun-16-08 07:17 PM   #209 
        - Dick Cheney is not George Bush.  Radical Activist   Jun-16-08 07:53 PM   #210 
           - It's about the crimes of the Bush administration which includes  slipslidingaway   Jun-16-08 09:45 PM   #212 
 

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