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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-13-08 03:22 AM
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25. He saved Social Security by the "packing the court" pressure he put on them.
It didn't "blow up in his face." He simply lost the political fight to expand the number of justices (couldn't get it through Congress--the Puke media went nuts, and called him a "dictator."). The court (full of dinosaurs from the Coolidge and Hoover regimes--the ones who brought on the Great Depression) kept declaring FDR's desperately needed economic and social programs "unconstitutional." So he threatened them with expanding the number of justices, to add younger, more liberal justices. Though he lost the vote in Congress, the pressure caused one justice to change his mind about the "New Deal." Thus, Social Security was saved! We wouldn't have it today if FDR hadn't tried to "pack the court" (as the rightwing press termed it). (It's actually a perfectly legal thing for Congress to do. The Constitution does not specify the number of justices. Nine is an arbitrary number. Congress can increase it.)

We are now at a very similar pass. The fascist Bush Junta has stacked the court with fascist justices. They will be a huge obstacle to badly needed reform (especially with regard to corporate power), to economic recovery and social justice programs--or other enlightened policy--on the part of a Democratic government. They will protect "organized money" (as FDR put it*). They will need to be pressured, and can be threatened in a number of ways, but "packing the court" is the easiest (doesn't require a Constitutional amendment, and doesn't take the time that investigation, prosecution and impeachment would take).

Political proposals may not succeed, the first time around--or ever. But they DO have impacts, even if unsuccessful. (A good example is the Equal Rights Amendment--it never got passed, but the pressure of it has resulted in REALLY significant improvement in women's equality.) Just floating an idea, like "packing the court," can produce change. But with this court, it will probably take more than that. They are nasty lot.


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  -Is it time to increase the size of the Supreme Court? jgraz  Jun-12-08 03:29 PM   #0 
  - We need to do something to end the embarrassment of this Supreme Court . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-12-08 03:31 PM   #1 
  - I think we could use another 4 justices. Maybe Gore Nader Edwards and a heartburn to be named later  Vincardog   Jun-12-08 03:32 PM   #2 
  - if mccain gets his hands on it, the next president/congress will have to add A LOT of new seats.  QuestionAll   Jun-12-08 03:33 PM   #3 
  - That didn't work out too well last time someone tried it  deadmessengers   Jun-12-08 03:35 PM   #4 
  - I came here to say this. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-12-08 03:42 PM   #7 
  - He tried to raise it to 15. And he got re-elected two more times after that.  jgraz   Jun-12-08 03:44 PM   #8 
  - He tried, but failed  deadmessengers   Jun-12-08 03:59 PM   #11 
     - There was quite a ruckus about the proposal, but it did let the  tsuki   Jun-12-08 04:27 PM   #16 
        - Especially when you consider that Hoover ran again for the nomination in 1940  deadmessengers   Jun-12-08 04:33 PM   #18 
  - IIRC, the reason for FDR's blowback was...  backscatter712   Jun-12-08 04:31 PM   #17 
  - It worked out extremely well for him  MrCoffee   Jun-12-08 04:36 PM   #19 
  - It also has the benefit of being Constitutional, unlike *'s power grabs  jgraz   Jun-12-08 04:56 PM   #20 
  - He saved Social Security by the "packing the court" pressure he put on them.  Peace Patriot   Jun-13-08 03:22 AM   #25 
  - So I guess you'll be in favor of increasing the size as well if McCain wins?  Mike Daniels   Jun-12-08 03:37 PM   #5 
  - Of course I fucking won't be in favor of that. What's your point?  jgraz   Jun-12-08 03:42 PM   #6 
  - Just the opposite, cut back and do it based on senority  notadmblnd   Jun-12-08 03:55 PM   #9 
  - Or, we could just impeach the four motherfuckers.  jgraz   Jun-12-08 03:58 PM   #10 
  - Don't know about increasing the size,  old guy   Jun-12-08 04:08 PM   #12 
  - I think the original idea was to keep somebody from skewing the entire court  MiniMe   Jun-12-08 04:14 PM   #14 
  - No, it's time to impeach the bastards on the Court that keep  merh   Jun-12-08 04:10 PM   #13 
  - That'll work, too. However...  jgraz   Jun-12-08 04:20 PM   #15 
     - I say go with lucky 13  merh   Jun-12-08 05:18 PM   #21 
        - 13 is a good number. Let the "Fascist Four" get used to writing dissents.  jgraz   Jun-12-08 06:36 PM   #22 
           - I'll go with that.  merh   Jun-12-08 07:25 PM   #23 
  - No! Feb. 09 would be the time to do that. Good idea! nt  morningglory   Jun-12-08 09:00 PM   #24 
  - We should have at least 15..  SoCalDem   Jun-13-08 04:55 AM   #26 

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