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105. If other people thought like me...
... I'd fear for the human race even more than I already do.

But the thing is, I'm not inventing a belief system. Those points I made -- sarcastically, yes, but they're valid concerns nonetheless -- are counter-arguments to the public positioning statements of democratic invertebrates who use those excuses to slither out of their responsibilities to the Constitution, which includes serving their constituents in the most effective ways possible. Naive I know, but that's really their job description.

At this very dangerous point in history, their constituents would be served best if congress would remove the bastards who are threatening nuclear annihilation, robbing them blind in every conceivable way, setting up a thriving national security state and using a private army of stateless mercenaries to keep the peasants in line.

There are at least three fundamental reasons for taking direct action against the Bush crime syndicate NOW:

- Simple justice demands accountability for their crimes against humanity and the thin veneer of civilization that keeps us from slaughtering each other. They've destroyed what's left of the US' already shaky good-guy PR image and repositioned it as the most powerful, feared and despised rogue nation and perpetrator of state-sponsored terrorism on earth. And the whole thing is justified by a million lies, lapped up by an incurious and gullible population, that comprise the ideological foundation of this Bushean parallel universe, AKA the official story. These are crimes against the very fundamentals of civilization and the Bushies -- every last one of them -- must pay the price.

- Congress must assert a policy of zero tolerance for power grabs by the executive branch and back that policy up with a clearly defined and suitably harsh response. This may get the attention of the next coven of wingnut fascist megalomaniacs, the loons who long for another Bushean-style coup and de facto dictatorship, and force them to confront the fact that they're risking serious legal consequences. The best way to make that point is to nail up this current batch of fascist madmen in the public square and expose the magnitude of their crimes in minute detail before the country and the world. The public square is now TV, so this display of mass criminality reaches billions instead of a couple hundred. Maybe when the signs and symptoms are common knowledge, when they're recognized immediately, maybe we can avoid the next PNAC and preempt the next right wing coup. Maybe not, but it's damn well worth a try.

- Impeachment investigations will keep the swine up late planning legal defense strategies with their $5,000 a day attorneys when they would otherwise be plotting the destruction of Iran and getting thousands more US troops and Iraqi civilians killed or maimed. Oh oh... the body count in Afghanistan seems rather low these days; better step it up there as well. I think anything that prevents such planning sessions is by definition essential. Impeachment as mass murder prevention strategy... How weird is that? But that's what these maniacs have done.

It may also rob them of the time it takes to negotiate the purchase of another vast tract of land in a non-extradition country. If you aren't familiar with the story, here's the background. The first such deal went south when the Paraguayan people, after suffering through 60 straight years of brutal fascist dictatorships, finally managed to hold free elections and dumped the fascist Colorado party by a huge percentage in favor of a left-leaning economic and social reformer named Fernando Lugo, a former Catholic bishop who took the teachings of Christ a little too seriously for the Vatican's elitists and got fired as a result.

Well aware of the Bushies' plans to move their base of criminal operations to his country, and what a disaster that would be for his reformist agenda, he's been working overtime negotiating and signing extradition treaties with the rest of the civilized world. As a result, Paraguay is now hostile territory for fascist escapees, particularly those associated with the Bush international crime syndicate. Small world, particularly if you're a dethroned totalitarian de facto dictator trying to disappear in a world that's overflowing with people who've been waiting impatiently to get their figurative hands around the Bushies' metaphorical throats. Or maybe not so metaphorical at all.

These are not trivial issues. Rather, they define the difference between bringing the hammer down full force and imposing on them the rule of law they so blithely pissed all over and called "that goddamn piece of paper," and watching them ride off into the sunset, saddle bags stuffed with slips of paper on which are written the access numbers that unlock all those off-shore bank accounts, full of the spoils of the successful war they've waged against the entire 99.5 percent of the world's population who don't matter except as targets for armed robbery.

Personally, since I'm an atheist and don't believe their punishment awaits them in the afterlife, I'm very interested in nailing their vicious, traitorous asses right here, right now. If we don't, or more accurately if congress fails to perform one its most critical jobs, we might as well just take the Constitution out of its case at the National Archives and use it to light one of Limpball's tiny-weenie-compensator illegal Cuban cigars.

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  -Impeachment hearings would destroy the Republicans librechik  Jun-12-08 01:11 PM   #0 
  - I agree 100% with this.  AndyA   Jun-12-08 01:16 PM   #1 
  - DITTO  debunkthelies   Jun-12-08 09:05 PM   #42 
  - The problem with your rant is this line:  iamahaingttta   Jun-12-08 01:24 PM   #2 
  - so we should lie down and let it happen instead of fighting?  librechik   Jun-12-08 01:32 PM   #3 
  - Damn right...  ColbertWatcher   Jun-12-08 01:52 PM   #9 
  - Of course... I should have added...  iamahaingttta   Jun-12-08 04:18 PM   #29 
     - yes, we need to take it step by step so we are not overwhelmed  librechik   Jun-12-08 05:37 PM   #31 
  - Yep those lying sacks of POOP are not much in the way of an information orgy  truedelphi   Jun-12-08 01:33 PM   #4 
  - Yeah, hearings would expose their complicity,  Raksha   Jun-12-08 03:55 PM   #26 
  - Two reasons I disagree . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-12-08 08:12 PM   #36 
  - THIRD . . . we can see how little the Dem investigations have accomplished . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-12-08 08:42 PM   #37 
  - The clock has not run out. W can be impeached in ONE DAY. He already confessed on TV!  petgoat   Jun-13-08 11:07 AM   #67 
     - One day . . . vs how many days have they been investigating other crimes . . . ???  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:27 PM   #78 
  - Political Impeachment?  petgoat   Jun-13-08 11:05 AM   #66 
  - Logical flawless. The republicans won't get it, but this is exactly  The Wielding Truth   Jun-13-08 12:04 PM   #71 
  - There wouldn't be anything "political" about it --- except to save the nation  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:30 PM   #79 
  - The pukkkes will call anything we do political. Would I call off the search for my lost child  librechik   Jun-13-08 05:09 PM   #100 
  - The other problem with that line...  info being   Jun-13-08 02:36 AM   #56 
  - Agree . . we're expecting the same Democrats who helped Bush destroy the  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:32 PM   #80 
  - "Third World America" . ..? We're pretty much there . . . our infrastructure is failing . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:23 PM   #77 
  - Yes it would, so let the hearings begin  whistle   Jun-12-08 01:40 PM   #5 
  - We should impeach Cheney first  demnan   Jun-12-08 01:50 PM   #6 
  - I don't think we would get that far, so I don't fear Cheney  librechik   Jun-12-08 01:52 PM   #8 
     - A lot of the Cheney/Bush crimes are also hooked into the Pentagon/Intelligence MIIC . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:36 PM   #81 
  - What librechik said K R & Fuckin A right  Vincardog   Jun-12-08 01:52 PM   #7 
  - There is a presidential election every four years.  sharesunited   Jun-12-08 01:53 PM   #10 
  - for the majority here  temperancedissent   Jun-12-08 02:05 PM   #14 
  - You seem to think it helps the Dems in November. No a thousand times no.  sharesunited   Jun-12-08 02:08 PM   #16 
  - as a matter of fact i do think it will help  temperancedissent   Jun-12-08 02:11 PM   #17 
  - how?  librechik   Jun-12-08 03:33 PM   #19 
  - It exposes the crooks and their crimes of course.  chknltl   Jun-12-08 06:55 PM   #34 
     - yes indeed  librechik   Jun-12-08 10:45 PM   #48 
     - I agree with your reasoning and I'm rooting for impeachment . . . however . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:47 PM   #84 
        - PS: Anyone see anyone investigating the phony/corrupt Drug War????  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:48 PM   #85 
  - Yes, a thousand times YES!!!!  Raksha   Jun-12-08 03:41 PM   #23 
  - I agree . . . otherwise, we're saying, "don't worry the criminals are leaving in a short while" . .?  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:43 PM   #83 
  - Impeachment is the remedy for high crimes.  librechik   Jun-12-08 02:12 PM   #18 
  - And they've stolen those elections in 2000, 2002, 2004.....  puebloknot   Jun-12-08 08:58 PM   #41 
  - They've been stealing elections with computer counting . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:52 PM   #87 
     - "They weren't going to that much trouble..."  puebloknot   Jun-14-08 04:03 PM   #107 
        - Agree with you . . . sadly . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:49 AM   #108 
           - Haven't followed those links yet, but will. Busy, busy right now! nt  puebloknot   Jun-15-08 01:52 AM   #110 
  - Impeachment is a necessary remedy to trampling of the Constitution  petgoat   Jun-13-08 11:10 AM   #68 
  - Yes . . . perhaps in name only, however . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:41 PM   #82 
  - You're preaching to the preacher here.  Joe Fields   Jun-12-08 01:57 PM   #11 
  - Damn right. K&R  dicksteele   Jun-12-08 01:59 PM   #12 
  - Just imagine that!  lonestarnot   Jun-12-08 02:00 PM   #13 
  - Golly, and ya wonder why so many are against it?  Echo In Light   Jun-12-08 02:06 PM   #15 
  - There are always a lot of fools and cowards, Echo In Light.  JDPriestly   Jun-13-08 02:24 AM   #54 
     - Agreed. Lack of action sends a loud message to the world, and future admins  Echo In Light   Jun-13-08 04:08 PM   #96 
  - And so it should destroy them.  Cleita   Jun-12-08 03:36 PM   #20 
  - I've been saying this for MONTHS!!!  Raksha   Jun-12-08 03:38 PM   #21 
  - Even if there's no time to actually impeach  Jack Rabbit   Jun-12-08 03:38 PM   #22 
  - technically, impeachment can continue past the end of the administration  librechik   Jun-12-08 03:47 PM   #25 
     - There's no pressure?  Jack Rabbit   Jun-12-08 04:00 PM   #27 
     - oh, yes yes! I meant statute wise, he is not constrained  librechik   Jun-12-08 05:36 PM   #30 
     - It should be begun during the officer's tenure -- so it should begin  JDPriestly   Jun-13-08 02:28 AM   #55 
  - Exactly!  notsodumbhillbilly   Jun-12-08 03:44 PM   #24 
  - So what?  Lugnut   Jun-12-08 04:12 PM   #28 
  - You are exactly right - Impeachment would lead to the death of the Republican Party  ThomWV   Jun-12-08 05:38 PM   #32 
  - You won't get any argument from me  magellan   Jun-12-08 05:44 PM   #33 
  - I would love to see it, but you have to ask yourself..  meowomon   Jun-12-08 07:39 PM   #35 
  - They are protecting themselves .Nancy supports the war  az chela   Jun-12-08 08:46 PM   #38 
  - I think this is kind of a slide decision . . . from where she WAS she expected to  defendandprotect   Jun-12-08 08:49 PM   #40 
     - Pelosi announced on national television, *before* she was even seated...  puebloknot   Jun-12-08 09:06 PM   #43 
        - As a female, I find both Pelosi and Reid HUGE disappointments . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 12:13 PM   #73 
           - I agree. Can't we scout around and find *somebody* with integrity...  puebloknot   Jun-14-08 03:51 PM   #106 
  - Well, something changed Pelosi's mind on the war, because immediately AFTER the '06  defendandprotect   Jun-12-08 08:46 PM   #39 
     - Pelosi's interest in prolonging the war may have been that it's Bush's baby  petgoat   Jun-13-08 11:15 AM   #69 
        - When Pelosi + Dems vote to keep the war going after '06, then it's their war . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:54 PM   #88 
  - Bushler is a mass murderer.  Swamp Rat   Jun-12-08 09:09 PM   #44 
  - Justice exists in this instance, or it exists nowhere. For what greater purpose is justice asked to  Skip Intro   Jun-12-08 09:15 PM   #45 
  - Hear, here  RedLetterRev   Jun-13-08 10:41 AM   #65 
  - Impeachment is the only way to guarantee an attack on Iran  dmesg   Jun-12-08 09:20 PM   #46 
  - Yes, Bush would likely wag the dog to:  Zambero   Jun-13-08 09:40 AM   #64 
  - Or stop one n/t  librechik   Jun-13-08 02:24 PM   #93 
  - And While Congress is Investigating, Go Ahead and Elect a  Riverman   Jun-12-08 09:37 PM   #47 
  - Agreed - All Of these Crimes Need To Be Investigated And  lligrd   Jun-12-08 11:39 PM   #49 
  - Let justice be served though the heavens fall  zeos3   Jun-13-08 12:52 AM   #50 
  - Completely Agree!  lisainmilo   Jun-13-08 12:55 AM   #51 
  - And dumb-ass Pelosi what? believes it's the wrong thing to do?  Imagevision   Jun-13-08 12:57 AM   #52 
  - How on earth could investigative hearings hurt the Democrats?  MrSlayer   Jun-13-08 01:33 AM   #53 
  - agree. Send the bums to jail disgraced.  DUlover2909   Jun-13-08 02:42 AM   #57 
  - Amen to that!!  jjr5   Jun-13-08 02:54 AM   #58 
  - here's how the hearings could hurt the democrats  Enrique   Jun-13-08 03:55 AM   #59 
  - Here's how not holding hearings could hurt the Democratic party.  Overseas   Jun-13-08 01:16 PM   #75 
  - good points  librechik   Jun-13-08 01:49 PM   #86 
  - Pure hog swill and party line nonsense...  warren pease   Jun-13-08 05:28 PM   #101 
     - exactly--Congress is practically hogtied now because of the veto&filibuster  librechik   Jun-14-08 03:57 AM   #102 
     - but other people might not think like you  Enrique   Jun-14-08 07:17 AM   #103 
        - If other people thought like me...  warren pease   Jun-14-08 12:02 PM   #105 
  - It doesn't matter  Enthusiast   Jun-13-08 04:16 AM   #60 
  - Great point. Can you just imagine McSame and other 'pukes  lazyriver   Jun-13-08 06:45 AM   #61 
  - Imagine if we don't impeach and we get McCain via another steal . . .????  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:56 PM   #90 
  - You are assuming that the mainstream media would cover it  JPettus   Jun-13-08 07:14 AM   #62 
  - They would spin, but just like Clinton, the people would know better  librechik   Jun-13-08 02:26 PM   #94 
  - 100% in favor of impeachment, However  Nipper1959   Jun-13-08 07:30 AM   #63 
  - AGREE!! HOWEVER - MANY Dems would go down also!  Phred42   Jun-13-08 11:36 AM   #70 
  - Can you be more specific for us all --- ?????  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:58 PM   #91 
  - For Example: Here's Durbin admitting some things  Phred42   Jun-13-08 04:42 PM   #97 
     - Thanks for the info ---  defendandprotect   Jun-15-08 12:52 AM   #109 
  - Let the chips fall where they may (why we need a Special Prosecutor)  librechik   Jun-13-08 04:04 PM   #95 
     - Agree completely - especially about the Step down part.  Phred42   Jun-13-08 04:43 PM   #98 
        - --I just signed the petition--  librechik   Jun-13-08 05:03 PM   #99 
  - K&R I want ALL GUILTY PARTIES TO BE,  Jesuswasntafascist   Jun-13-08 12:09 PM   #72 
  - I think they're doing a good job of destroying themselves right now?  mzmolly   Jun-13-08 01:04 PM   #74 
  - Just revealing how they enabled ENRON and now the OIL INDUSTRY . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:20 PM   #76 
  - K because I can't fucking R it any more.  The Stranger   Jun-13-08 01:55 PM   #89 
  - Recommend --  defendandprotect   Jun-13-08 01:59 PM   #92 
  - An excellent post!  anotheryellowdog   Jun-14-08 08:26 AM   #104 

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