Joe Fields
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Thu Jun-12-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #28 |
| 29. That is your opinion, sir. I do not share it. |
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It is quite possible, as you say, that there will be no impeachment bill voted out of the house. If, however there were a bill of impeachment voted out of the house, then it would not be unreasonable to believe that the process of gathering evidence and presenting it during a trial could, itself, build momentum for a conviction. President Nixon was never impeached, but the evidence gathered to go to trial, if necessary swayed enough republicans that Nixon had little choice but to resign. In the case of Mr. Bush, there is a mountain of evidence to make a good case: a case good enough to sway all but the most hardcore Bush supporters.
I believe that the process would take so long, that, even if the bill were voted out of the house tomorrow, Bush would run the clock out on his presidency.
As to whether or not we should even try, that sir should not even be debated, in my opinion. Either you believe in the constitution and the rule of law, or you don't.
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| -For those of you against impeachment: A few questions... |
Joe Fields |
Jun-11-08 11:52 PM |
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Sure, if you tell me how the Senate acquitting Bush of all charges would be somehow |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-11-08 11:54 PM |
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It's called a trial. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:02 AM |
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"It is my unshakable belief" |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-12-08 12:03 AM |
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His point was, impeachment and conviction ARE NOT THE SAME THING. |
kgfnally |
Jun-12-08 12:07 AM |
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Nobody's forgotten that. Impeachment without conviction is an enormous waste of time. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-12-08 12:09 AM |
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It's plain to me that you don't think much about the rule of law. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:17 AM |
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Nope. Rule of law is great. |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-12-08 02:14 AM |
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how is it you know he would be aquitted? |
madokie |
Jun-12-08 11:32 AM |
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Your argument is extremely shortsighted and illogical. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 11:45 AM |
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Bullshit. Bullshit. BULLSHIT! can you be that blind as to not have noticed the advantages |
tom_paine |
Jun-12-08 12:25 AM |
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Excellent points, tom. Thanks. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:33 AM |
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Actually they could and will ignore it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-12-08 12:43 AM |
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... |
Occam Bandage |
Jun-12-08 02:11 AM |
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How far some go to keep head firmly buried. |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 09:07 AM |
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best post today. |
nashville_brook |
Jun-12-08 02:22 PM |
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The magic words in your post were "media coverage" |
kgfnally |
Jun-12-08 12:39 AM |
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I disagree. Impeachment is a necessity. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-12-08 01:47 AM |
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i wish they would waste their time on impeachment instead of funding an illegal war |
spanone |
Jun-12-08 11:11 AM |
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There's absolutely no reason to believe |
MonkeyFunk |
Jun-12-08 12:24 AM |
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Fuck this "let's not try, because we don't have a chance" meme. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:36 AM |
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It will fail |
MonkeyFunk |
Jun-12-08 12:46 AM |
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Please see my post. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-12-08 01:54 AM |
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Not having A Chance Of Success, Mr. Fields, Is An Excellent reason Not To Pitch A Fight |
The Magistrate |
Jun-12-08 12:57 AM |
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That is your opinion, sir. I do not share it. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 01:13 AM |
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There Would Be No Conviction, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-12-08 01:26 AM |
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If we could only get to the point of a trial, sir, |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 01:34 AM |
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What evidence? {nt} |
Aya Reiko |
Jun-12-08 02:47 AM |
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Then please explain the Phony Clinton Impeachment and it's aftermath |
tom_paine |
Jun-12-08 01:17 AM |
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Your Analysis Above, Sir, Of the Potential Benefits Of Impeachment |
The Magistrate |
Jun-12-08 01:53 AM |
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Interesting. So you would have agreed with impeachment if the Dems had gotten |
tom_paine |
Jun-12-08 02:49 AM |
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That Is Pretty Much It, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jun-12-08 09:03 AM |
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Very good point and I mostly agree, except I feel "better late than never" |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 09:27 AM |
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the phony clinton impechment didn't serve the repubs that well |
onenote |
Jun-12-08 11:21 AM |
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Missing the forest for the trees. Short-term, maybe what you say is partially true |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 09:37 AM |
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You would've made a great advisor to General Custer |
onenote |
Jun-12-08 11:18 AM |
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You sure as hell would not have made a great advisor to our founding fathers. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 01:46 PM |
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Exactly. n/t |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 09:38 AM |
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Conviction is not the point. Preserving the historical record is the point. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-12-08 01:55 AM |
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So the only reason you want to do it is because "it feels good"? |
Aya Reiko |
Jun-12-08 02:49 AM |
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No -- to preserve the historical record. |
JDPriestly |
Jun-12-08 11:08 AM |
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To quote Homer Simpson |
zeos3 |
Jun-12-08 01:42 AM |
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And is not Homer Simpson the Poster Child of Modern Imperial Amerika? |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 09:40 AM |
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So, I suppose *you* can tell us how the Senate acquitting him would prevent him from being tried |
Ghost in the Machine |
Jun-12-08 01:51 PM |
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I don't think that inpeachment isn't justified...I just want us to keep our eye on the brass ring. |
MercutioATC |
Jun-12-08 12:00 AM |
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And I just want our leaders to keep an eye on the constitution. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:05 AM |
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That's how I see it |
mvd |
Jun-12-08 12:08 AM |
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Don't get me wrong, Kucinich is providing a valuable service. |
MercutioATC |
Jun-12-08 12:19 AM |
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Love your avatar |
HughMoran |
Jun-12-08 12:01 AM |
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Thanks. Seven years of Bush has given me a headache I can't get rid of. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:08 AM |
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living with fear and what-ifs hasn't accomplished diddly squat |
temperancedissent |
Jun-12-08 12:21 AM |
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Your premise is just wrong |
MonkeyFunk |
Jun-12-08 12:23 AM |
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And your ideology has a major disconnect. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:41 AM |
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My ideology |
MonkeyFunk |
Jun-12-08 12:47 AM |
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There are many reasons why people don't want it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-12-08 12:56 AM |
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k&r |
Swamp Rat |
Jun-12-08 12:48 AM |
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I don't think ANY Du'er is against impeachment, but many realize... |
HardWorkingDem |
Jun-12-08 12:49 AM |
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let me answer with a few questions of my own |
Enrique |
Jun-12-08 12:52 AM |
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No one person is bigger than this country, Enrique. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 01:21 AM |
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False premise from the start: Who says... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-12-08 01:38 AM |
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I totally agree! I have never, EVER understood the "political" |
Raksha |
Jun-12-08 02:25 AM |
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Because people care first and foremost about how they;re going to pay |
onenote |
Jun-12-08 11:27 AM |
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I'm hoping President Obama will join |
EC |
Jun-12-08 01:31 AM |
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Your logic is faulty |
Firespirit |
Jun-12-08 01:54 AM |
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You've made my case for me, and you don't even know it. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 06:26 PM |
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Giving Bush an opportunity to walk away "right" |
loyalsister |
Jun-12-08 03:13 AM |
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If we do not try and hold him accountable, then who should we ever hold |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 11:54 AM |
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Nothing about my post says we don't hold them accountable |
loyalsister |
Jun-12-08 12:15 PM |
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everything in your post says exactly that. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 01:01 PM |
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Why anyone would bother answering your abusive OP is a mystery to me. |
cali |
Jun-12-08 04:00 AM |
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You bothered. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 11:57 AM |
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Let's see... those with a different opinion of how this should be handled: |
PeaceNikki |
Jun-12-08 09:15 AM |
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Let's take these one at a time... |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 12:13 PM |
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I love the superiority of the leftier-than-thou wing. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-12-08 11:12 AM |
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some of you seem to have forgotten that it's really not about |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 01:05 PM |
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blahblahblah... No one else is a real American... blahblahblah.. .you're the only ones who care... |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-12-08 01:06 PM |
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Nice straw man. Irrelevant and totally bullshit, but an excellent debating tactic. |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 09:42 AM |
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Will Kucinich's Bills of Impeachment succeed in removing Bush from power? |
bryant69 |
Jun-12-08 11:28 AM |
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I can't answer that question. I will say that it's a start. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 02:20 PM |
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My one qualm. |
sofa king |
Jun-12-08 11:30 AM |
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if hearings are held, they will be heavily publicized and the evil of this administration will be |
yellowdogintexas |
Jun-12-08 11:40 AM |
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Guns? |
slackmaster |
Jun-12-08 11:55 AM |
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It would take one of two things for me to support impeachment procedings, no matter the crime. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-12-08 12:13 PM |
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"principle", but yah overall. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-12-08 01:27 PM |
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So then, you believe that upholding the constitution is a matter of convenience? |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 01:50 PM |
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Answered in #71 |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-12-08 01:56 PM |
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That was no answer. |
Joe Fields |
Jun-12-08 02:01 PM |
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Correct Joe, that was no answer. It was an insult. |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 09:45 AM |
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As you and I, and a few others are aware, tom, it isn't easy |
Joe Fields |
Jun-13-08 11:46 AM |
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And DU is one of the most enlightened, conscious places on the web. |
tom_paine |
Jun-13-08 12:51 PM |
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Impeachment procedings won't help uphold the constitution. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-13-08 10:02 AM |
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Excuse me? Praying that Bush will be struck by lightning is a stated goal |
Joe Fields |
Jun-13-08 11:54 AM |
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BIDEN will support impeachment if he goes after Iran. |
nashville_brook |
Jun-12-08 02:22 PM |
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They are following their leaders' excuses. |
mmonk |
Jun-13-08 09:43 AM |
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Exactly. IF NOT NOW, WHEN? |
Overseas |
Jun-13-08 12:54 PM |
#94 |
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