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Reply #43: It's good to see someone else -- and very knowledgeably -- make the case for Boxer as VP [View All]

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43. It's good to see someone else -- and very knowledgeably -- make the case for Boxer as VP
I still want to highlight a few other points.

First, don't forget her central role on the Greenhouse Effect. This should clearly be among the top priorities of any intelligent incoming Administration. I am concerned that politicians AND MOST ACTIVIST ORGANIZATIONS ON THIS ISSUE in the US are not demanding ENOUGH change, that what is being sought (80% reduction in net emissions of greenhouse gases (GHG's) by 2050 is CATASTROPHICALLY GROSSLY INSUFFICIENT. Boxer is the kind of figure who is both electable and more likely to at least bring the new sense of urgency from experts like Jim Hansen to the public. This is one of the more important qualifications she has.

Her resolute position on the Iraq War is very important and rightly highlighted. We should remember that, relative to almost ALL the people being considered for VP, INCLUDING HILLARY CLINTON, Barbara Boxer has a MUCH longer and stronger resume on foreign policy. Her position on Iraq is FIRST OFF, VERY much now the current feeling of the OVERWHELMING majority of Americans. It is one of Obama's strong suits -- and this is the USA: if you've got it, flaunt it, especially in the GE. SECOND, almost any candidate who EVER supported the Iraq War Resolution, or whose track record on the issue (eg Wes Clark) at the time is truly murky, would be a target of constant focus in the media at this point. In 04, there was the excuse (which I didn't share even then) that the public wasn't ready for a full-throated opponent of the war, like Dean. I think that was bullshit -- pardon my French -- but today there isn't even a fig-leaf of plausibility to this position. Obama is likely to lose more votes if he fudges on the war, including in choice of VP nominee -- after he made a central issue out of his 'judgment' on Iraq in his primary campaign -- than if he takes and maintains a CLEAR position on the war. THIRD, being against the war opens the ticket (more than a hawkish policy does) to CLOSER scrutiny of the foreign policy credentials of the candidate(s). This is arguably perverse, but it IS REAL. In this context, there is really a very small class of people, and an even smaller class of women, with Boxer's foreign policy credentials and credibility AND her track record on Iraq. I know this is just restating and underlining a lot of what the OP said, but these extra nuances are very important.

There should also be more attention to Boxer's appealingness as a candidate. She is REALLY REALLY popular in CA, and not just among a narrow spectrum of voters. She isn't "charisma deficient". And ABSOLUTELY -- winning is ABSOLUTELY crucial, and is a VERY good reason for supporting one possible VP against another. Focus on a left-right spectrum, assuming that only by picking someone like Clark or Strickland or whoever to appeal to the "center" misses the total picture that makes MOST people vote the way they do. Most ideologically oriented voters are already committed liberals or conservatives. The other voters are NOT in the "middle" mostly, but making judgments on other bases, like personal impression.

I would be interested in someone putting out the kind of knowledgeable review that the OP has done on so much, with a focus on Boxer's appeal to various constituencies -- especially older voters. It isn't just that she's somewhat older than Obama, but that she has a really strong APPEAL to the boomer generation and older. That general observation needs some more knowledgeable backing. CA Sen Boxer, second perhaps only to Bob Graham (who also has a very strong resume and voted no on IWR) would be very helpful in trying to win Florida. She should also help with certain other "swing" demographics, like suburban women. And having a woman on the ticket means not that HRC supporters will end up 90% going for Obama anyway, but that there will be real ENTHUSIASM. Boxer is a candidate that people -- including many NOT enthusiastic in support of Obama -- can GET enthusiastic about, and that might not just influence how they vote, but how much they get their FRIENDS to vote for Obama too.

I heartily recommend this post -- and urge others who feel the same way about Barbara Boxer to make their feelings known, as Clark and other supporters do a lot -- at this site and elsewhere.
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  Why I’d Like to See Barbara Boxer as the Democratic VP Nominee Time for change  Jun-10-08 11:17 PM   #0 
   I like your thinking.  ccharles000   Jun-10-08 11:21 PM   #1 
   I really like Boxer but....  vpilot   Jun-10-08 11:21 PM   #2 
   I doubt that Boxer being VP would cost us a Senate seat  Time for change   Jun-10-08 11:29 PM   #10 
      Her replacement would be appointed by Gov. Schwarzenegger.  MonkeyFunk   Jun-10-08 11:58 PM   #17 
         Not if she announced the vacating of her seat prior to Election Day  Time for change   Jun-11-08 12:00 AM   #18 
            No, not in California.  ronnykmarshall   Jun-11-08 02:11 PM   #53 
               Vacancies in the U.S. Senate in accordance with the 17th Amendment  Time for change   Jun-11-08 02:35 PM   #54 
                  Ok ... here's a bit of history.  ronnykmarshall   Jun-11-08 02:56 PM   #57 
                     That's a different situation than what I'm talking about  Time for change   Jun-11-08 03:15 PM   #61 
                     Another example.  ronnykmarshall   Jun-11-08 03:21 PM   #63 
                        No, that's not true  Time for change   Jun-11-08 04:56 PM   #69 
                     I feel as you do, RonnieM. I would love me my Barbara Boxer as VP and  truedelphi   Jun-11-08 04:29 PM   #67 
   I like Boxer a lot but I think she'd be painted as the wacko ultra-librul from San Francisco!!!11 nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jun-10-08 11:21 PM   #3 
   Of course. Our corporate media paint all Dem candidates as ultra-liberal  Time for change   Jun-11-08 08:51 PM   #81 
   Two senators on the ticket = McLoon landslide  newmajority   Jun-10-08 11:23 PM   #4 
   What's wrong with two Senators?  Time for change   Jun-10-08 11:57 PM   #16 
      Kennedy/Johnson worked out pretty well?  newmajority   Jun-11-08 12:29 AM   #19 
         Obviously, when I said it worked out well, I was referring to the fact that they won the election  Time for change   Jun-11-08 10:18 PM   #84 
   Too liberal. We need a centrist.  wienerdoggie   Jun-10-08 11:24 PM   #5 
   Why do we need a centrist? Anyhow, I added a portion to the end of my post to address the  Time for change   Jun-10-08 11:53 PM   #14 
   Because GE can't be won with liberals only  maui9002   Jun-11-08 01:39 PM   #50 
   Centrists aren't a winning ticket or didn't you get the memo with  Cleita   Jun-10-08 11:55 PM   #15 
   I'm with you.  Rosemary2205   Jun-11-08 07:05 AM   #24 
   Republican governor  MonkeyFunk   Jun-10-08 11:24 PM   #6 
   Why it's a BAD idea  Warpy   Jun-10-08 11:25 PM   #7 
   If she announced the vacating of her Senate seat after receiving the Democratic nomination  Time for change   Jun-10-08 11:34 PM   #11 
   Got a link for that?  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 12:48 AM   #21 
      Consider this year, for example  Time for change   Jun-11-08 06:56 AM   #23 
         not all states are the same  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 08:40 AM   #26 
            Why would she do that?  Time for change   Jun-11-08 08:55 AM   #27 
               NO!  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 09:13 AM   #28 
                  Why do you bring up the example of Larry Craig?  Time for change   Jun-11-08 09:23 AM   #29 
                     oh my god, this is exasperating....  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 09:31 AM   #32 
                        Retired. With a democratic successor. NT  EOTE   Jun-11-08 10:04 AM   #34 
                        If Obama loses and Boxer is the VP nominee, and she has resigned her seat, then she is out of a job  Time for change   Jun-11-08 10:52 AM   #37 
                        and a special election in which Arnold himself runs  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 12:39 PM   #44 
                           Senate seats are risked all the time for VP nominees  Time for change   Jun-11-08 01:21 PM   #45 
                              oh you're not serious, are you?  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 03:10 PM   #59 
                                 Yes I'm serious  Time for change   Jun-11-08 03:23 PM   #64 
                        I'm exasperating?  Time for change   Jun-11-08 01:27 PM   #47 
                           oh for god's sake  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 03:11 PM   #60 
                              Intention to resign  Time for change   Jun-11-08 04:47 PM   #68 
   She could do a Joe Lieberman and run for both, couldn't she?  Cleita   Jun-11-08 02:45 PM   #56 
      She can do the equivalent of what Lieberman did if she wants  Time for change   Jun-11-08 03:06 PM   #58 
      no  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 03:18 PM   #62 
      more the equivalent of what Kerry did  Retrograde   Jun-11-08 04:00 PM   #66 
         oh my god...  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 05:51 PM   #71 
            Not if she resigned her seat prior to the election  Time for change   Jun-11-08 07:41 PM   #76 
               She's not going to resign  MonkeyFunk   Jun-11-08 07:48 PM   #78 
   I really like Brian Schweitzer for VP  Mojambo   Jun-10-08 11:27 PM   #8 
   Ditto  maui9002   Jun-11-08 01:33 PM   #48 
   It won't happen, but she's been my first choice for many months as you may know.  David Zephyr   Jun-10-08 11:29 PM   #9 
   Women Are NOT Less Warlike  iamjoy   Jun-10-08 11:46 PM   #12 
   Barbara Boxer is very tough, but she certainly is not warlike  Time for change   Jun-10-08 11:52 PM   #13 
   I don't want to give up anyone in the Senate or Congress  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Jun-11-08 12:34 AM   #20 
   K&R Great minds! I was thinking yesterday that I'd like Boxer as VP.  puebloknot   Jun-11-08 02:56 AM   #22 
   Yes, it certainly is.  Time for change   Jun-11-08 11:12 AM   #41 
      Oh, thank you, for clarifying Boxer's IWR vote.  puebloknot   Jun-11-08 06:38 PM   #72 
         Yeah, that way she could run for VP  Time for change   Jun-11-08 07:43 PM   #77 
            Oh, no! Don't deprive people of their objections. Their levels will drop...  puebloknot   Jun-11-08 10:07 PM   #83 
   Well, I think we all would, but, unfortunately, she'd  Clark2008   Jun-11-08 07:11 AM   #25 
   I was thinking the same thing until recently  Time for change   Jun-11-08 11:05 AM   #40 
      I actually think the country is more ready than we may think for ...  puebloknot   Jun-11-08 06:47 PM   #73 
   it won't be a woman as veep on the ticket.  QuestionAll   Jun-11-08 09:26 AM   #30 
   Frankly, I'd rather see her at the top of the ticket.  LWolf   Jun-11-08 09:26 AM   #31 
   Very true. We have to consider whether she would *want* the VP spot! :)  puebloknot   Jun-11-08 06:49 PM   #74 
   I too would have liked to see her at the top of the ticket  Time for change   Jun-11-08 08:35 PM   #80 
   Barbara Boxer is my hero!  OnionPatch   Jun-11-08 09:43 AM   #33 
   If you think about it...?  kentuck   Jun-11-08 10:07 AM   #35 
   I think she'd be terrific, but I don't think she'll be picked  NewJeffCT   Jun-11-08 10:11 AM   #36 
   I agree.  ThomWV   Jun-11-08 10:54 AM   #38 
      In Virginia, though  NewJeffCT   Jun-11-08 11:25 AM   #42 
         Good points.  ThomWV   Jun-11-08 01:34 PM   #49 
   ABSOLUTELY.  byronius   Jun-11-08 11:03 AM   #39 
   It's good to see someone else -- and very knowledgeably -- make the case for Boxer as VP  cloudythescribbler   Jun-11-08 11:51 AM   #43 
   Thank you for that great addition of reasons to nominate Barbara Boxer  Time for change   Jun-11-08 05:27 PM   #70 
   I did a thread on this in GD-P  Blue_Roses   Jun-11-08 01:22 PM   #46 
   I'm sorry I missed it  Time for change   Jun-11-08 09:29 PM   #82 
   Intelligent, well-thought out, and convincing post. Thanks.  BrklynLib at work   Jun-11-08 01:53 PM   #51 
   I wear only Barbara shorts these days nt  AteAlien   Jun-11-08 01:54 PM   #52 
   Barbara is my senator and I have had an ongoing relationship with her  Cleita   Jun-11-08 02:43 PM   #55 
   I agree she would be a great candidate for Prez. I can't imagine...  puebloknot   Jun-11-08 06:55 PM   #75 
   That's the way I feel about it  Time for change   Jun-11-08 07:52 PM   #79 
      I agree completely.  dana_b   Jun-11-08 10:21 PM   #85 
   Two words: San Francisco  Retrograde   Jun-11-08 03:53 PM   #65 
   Wow - this post  waiting for hope   Jun-12-08 07:57 AM   #86 
 

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