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Sun Jun-08-08 10:35 PM
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| 50. Childbirth costs were usually covered under insurance . . . after a long battle with |
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insurance companies. And . . . is pregnancy "voluntary" in a society where most people have children and are pretty much expected to have them?
We need to open up that discussion . . .
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| -Will abortion funding sink health care reform? |
rurallib |
Jun-08-08 09:14 PM |
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It might depend on whether or not people on our side are all-or-nothing types. |
BlooInBloo |
Jun-08-08 09:16 PM |
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Well, I sure hope the people on our side are willing |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-08-08 09:19 PM |
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She can make any decision she wants. |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 09:21 PM |
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You really think ending aan unwanted pregnancy is comparable |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-08-08 09:28 PM |
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I believe that abortions are voluntary procedures with the decisions |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 09:33 PM |
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I should hope ALL procedures would be voluntary under UHC |
Crowdance |
Jun-08-08 10:07 PM |
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Voluntary vs Medical Necessary |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 10:10 PM |
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You don't understand that abortions are "medically necessary" in many cases??? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:14 PM |
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Yes. Medically necessary is a more meaningful term |
Crowdance |
Jun-08-08 10:14 PM |
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Unfortunately, there's a problem with your reasoning... |
colinmom71 |
Jun-08-08 11:02 PM |
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Yes, well said. |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-09-08 06:52 AM |
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Yeah, without proper knowledge, the terminology can get slippery.... |
colinmom71 |
Jun-09-08 07:26 AM |
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Completely agreed |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-09-08 02:09 PM |
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You're comparing a woman's need for an abortion to "botox injections" . . .??? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:13 PM |
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hmm, some botox is covered for spastic paraplegia, I should know & it's a terrible procedure into |
NotThisTime |
Jun-09-08 04:24 PM |
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I think we should stand strong on that and turn Republicans who are not "Pro-Life" |
patrice |
Jun-08-08 09:47 PM |
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Who in the hell is "pro-life" . . . ??? Catholic women have abortions at the same rate as . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:17 PM |
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Don't know for sure. I see occassional LTTEs about |
patrice |
Jun-08-08 10:33 PM |
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The corporate-press isn't covering the other side of this and progress |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:45 PM |
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Re churches & military - for Many = Security, emotional and economic, ergo no need to adapt. nt |
patrice |
Jun-09-08 08:09 AM |
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Not challenging the system has its comforts --- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-08 09:12 AM |
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Not sure if I quite follow |
rurallib |
Jun-08-08 09:20 PM |
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No one is saying that we need to go back to back alley coat hangers |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 09:22 PM |
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What you'll have to deal with then, is the consequences of women |
Lars39 |
Jun-09-08 08:08 AM |
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I think that common sense will dictate that if we are caring of women, we are going |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:21 PM |
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I would say, yes as it is voluntary |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 09:19 PM |
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I don't think optional procedures should ever be included |
prolifedemq |
Jun-08-08 09:21 PM |
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How do we differentiate between voluntary and necessary abortion? Is it simply"health of the mother" |
patrice |
Jun-08-08 09:54 PM |
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Either. "Voluntary abortion" is neither. |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 10:12 PM |
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I tend to agree with you, but I'm wondering whether that affects my approach : |
patrice |
Jun-08-08 10:19 PM |
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The female has the ESTABLISHED life so it's her judgment ... per Roe vs Wade --- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:49 PM |
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Not going to answer you because you are Ts'd. tata. |
uppityperson |
Jun-09-08 03:03 PM |
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My concern is that is the only cudgel I can see that the GOP has |
rurallib |
Jun-08-08 09:22 PM |
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It isn't compromise -- it is stages |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 09:25 PM |
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Got news for you, "personal desires" equals self-determination. |
Lars39 |
Jun-09-08 08:11 AM |
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They will have other FEAR issues . . believe me --- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:51 PM |
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Voluntary and |
elleng |
Jun-08-08 09:23 PM |
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Bingo. |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 09:27 PM |
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THESE . . . are the very discussions that have to take place in society . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:55 PM |
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I think you need to shut up and then go fuck yourself... |
Scout |
Jun-09-08 11:33 AM |
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THIS is one of the big areas where they don't want FREEDOM to enter the |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:53 PM |
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THIS is one of the big areas where they don't want FREEDOM to enter the |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:54 PM |
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To suggest that when pregnancies go wrong it is "voluntary" . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:27 PM |
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The argument needs to be reframed....and most importantly |
MadMaddie |
Jun-08-08 09:20 PM |
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I agree, but this will be their main weapon |
rurallib |
Jun-08-08 09:23 PM |
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And they will win and *shock amongst shock* I agree with them |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 09:30 PM |
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They are bullies and will keep after it if they don't get strong enough replies . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:33 PM |
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EXACTLY: Any discussion that includes the words "Pro-Life" MUST include what Women need in order to |
patrice |
Jun-08-08 10:07 PM |
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I agree --- the GOP really shut up Democrats on this issue --- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:31 PM |
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oh please |
Aragorn |
Jun-08-08 09:25 PM |
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Silly me - I assumed most everything would be covered. |
rurallib |
Jun-08-08 09:27 PM |
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Pregnancy is SOMEWHAT voluntary, |
elleng |
Jun-08-08 09:34 PM |
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You would take away a woman's right to reproduce? |
Perragrande |
Jun-08-08 09:40 PM |
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Why would you suggest that I |
elleng |
Jun-08-08 09:46 PM |
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They are mixing their metaphors. |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 10:02 PM |
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I would think that males would also have an interest in seeing childbirth covered . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:36 PM |
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Childbirth costs were usually covered under insurance . . . after a long battle with |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:35 PM |
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So the health care that is likely to help make abortions fewer is going to be held hostage to |
patrice |
Jun-08-08 09:40 PM |
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It would go a long way, Patrice... |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 10:03 PM |
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I think the whole "pro-life" BS is pretty much like the "Silent Majority" BS . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:39 PM |
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We agree. So we need to expose that fact publicly. Get Republicans to own up to it too. |
patrice |
Jun-09-08 08:07 AM |
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There still seems to be tons of GOP propaganda around, though |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-08 09:27 AM |
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Yes, murder of more than simply abortion providers. It was "Pro-Lifers" who put Bush over the line |
patrice |
Jun-09-08 12:33 PM |
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Let's be optimistic.... |
noel711 |
Jun-08-08 09:45 PM |
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We can envision it, but... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-08-08 09:55 PM |
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But the 'sheep' won't be voting in congress... |
noel711 |
Jun-08-08 10:26 PM |
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"She got real quiet" |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-08-08 10:37 PM |
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We also have to understand that we're not dealing with normal people . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:41 PM |
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I hope they don't regroup. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-08-08 10:43 PM |
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This is very important, why no recs people? n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jun-08-08 09:53 PM |
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rec |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:41 PM |
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I'm waiting for the first person to ask about sex-change operations. |
Carnea |
Jun-08-08 10:00 PM |
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Another good example of voluntary |
Yael |
Jun-08-08 10:05 PM |
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Well, Cuba is offering to do them for us . .. didn't you hear? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:42 PM |
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It depends on how idiotic Americans swallowing the MSM can be! NT |
burrowowl |
Jun-08-08 10:09 PM |
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Hyde amendment |
thecatburgler |
Jun-08-08 10:10 PM |
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Wasn't that the work of good ole Henry Hyde to keep abortion from becoming |
defendandprotect |
Jun-08-08 10:10 PM |
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The Hyde Amendment. |
Perragrande |
Jun-09-08 01:25 AM |
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eh . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-09-08 09:44 AM |
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It wouldn't be universal healthcare if anything is excluded |
lastliberalintexas |
Jun-08-08 11:11 PM |
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Simple. Add it to the first drafts, then remove it after complaints. |
anonymous171 |
Jun-09-08 02:47 AM |
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we already have government-funded abortions |
tuggle |
Jun-09-08 08:12 AM |
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One thing to think about: if we offer UHC, then the need for an abortion for reasons |
ithinkmyliverhurts |
Jun-09-08 10:00 AM |
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Options, options, options, that is what women need, including iron-clad adoption agreements. |
patrice |
Jun-09-08 12:37 PM |
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That is a sticky wicket but the way to fight it is to |
Cleita |
Jun-09-08 02:13 PM |
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No, generally it's not... |
colinmom71 |
Jun-09-08 04:20 PM |
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That's too bad. I don't have a solution right now either.n/t |
Cleita |
Jun-09-08 04:23 PM |
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