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I Can No Longer Stomach Middle Class Americans of the Commissar Caste
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Cheaper to rent slaves than own them- by Joe Bageant

These people do not consider themselves affluent or their families particularly elite. Yet their kids, after finishing expensive educations, will eventually take the reins of the administrative class, university deans, government bureaucrats, financial managers, publishing and electronic media people, etc. Then they will continue to stick the ole prickly pear to the other four-fifths of Americans, not to mention the world, without flinching. And they will continue to consider themselves quite ordinary Americans, and expect their children to do even better. Though it is nowhere near the middle demographically, this is the true middle class in America, the only group that meets the criteria we are trained to associate with the term "middle class." In truth they only represent about 20% of the population. The dangerous 20% in my opinion. Not that they ever ask me.

I'm like everyone else in my generation. I was raised on Ozzie and Harriet and the Dick Van Dyke Show. So the image of the middle class American life fried into my cranial wiring by the great hologram burner looks like that. People stashing money in the college fund for the Beav, and never getting tired or dirty at work ... sporting Argyle sweaters and smiling affectionately, asking, "Are you boys ready for a milk shake?" (Ozzie always had time to make a fucking milk shake. Did that guy ever actually go to work?). However, if the middle class is defined as the middle of the middle of Americans, then the real middle class guy or gal is probably driving a car parts delivery truck or clerking at the mall.

Anyway, I'm just et up wif class rage bubba! I can no longer stomach middle class Americans of the commissar caste. I'll blame them for any fucking thing I can think up. Because it is they who enable the great faceless economic machine to grind the piss out of the other four-fifths of the population. They've got theirs and they'll blow whoever they must to keep what theyve got. The core of this nations gutlessness rest with this national bucket of soft little maggots. Because on the whole they are the only class with even modest political power politicians would actually listen to them if the screeched about justice instead of losing 10% on their 401Ks. But they won't. So I lay much of this nation's planetary and societal criminality on this three-quarter million dollar fuck-box crowd.
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  -I Can No Longer Stomach Middle Class Americans of the Commissar Caste T.Ruth2power  Jun-07-08 11:32 AM   #0 
  - So it's not just the rich anymore, it's anybody with an education  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-07-08 11:41 AM   #1 
  - Define success  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 11:43 AM   #2 
  - Not having to drive a delivery truck, unless you want to.  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-07-08 11:45 AM   #3 
  - So who's going to do the delivering?  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 11:55 AM   #7 
  - Who is the ruling class  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 11:58 AM   #8 
  - This will do  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 12:07 PM   #14 
     - No, I've read marx I want your opinion on how this is applied  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:09 PM   #15 
        - Reactionary  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 12:17 PM   #19 
           - As an elitist (college educated)(graphic)  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:23 PM   #20 
              - How about pictures of US soldiers holding up the heads of Iraqis. I got em if you want em.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 12:47 PM   #28 
              - USSR and China  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:57 PM   #31 
                 - Timor, see Russia? No. See Henry Kissinger.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 01:58 PM   #47 
                    - Lay out a better system (or just define the BS class system)  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 02:12 PM   #55 
                       - The foundational division: do you have to sell your time to other people  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:11 PM   #82 
                          - Binary response. The world exists between 1 and 0  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:38 PM   #90 
                             - What you describe is not "investing", it is gambling  Ghost Dog   Jun-07-08 04:02 PM   #103 
                             - non-seq response. saying "binary" doesn't refute the proposition.  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:15 PM   #109 
                             - No, That's About What It Comes Down To  Crisco   Jun-08-08 07:06 AM   #188 
              - Please cite where Marx advocated murdering people with educations?  martymar64   Jun-07-08 08:56 PM   #170 
  - Well, hopefully not people with master's degrees.  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-07-08 11:59 AM   #10 
  - Well  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 12:11 PM   #16 
     - What's wrong is that it's been tried...  Terry_M   Jun-07-08 12:14 PM   #17 
     - Ask the Mexican indians picking your coffee how this is "working" for them.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 12:48 PM   #29 
     - Solutions time..  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 01:00 PM   #32 
        - Define "better". Define "system".  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 01:30 PM   #39 
           - Visit there..  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 01:42 PM   #43 
           - Yes there was poverty before the US. There was feudalism.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 02:35 PM   #65 
              - Now this is getting interesting, I agree  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 02:45 PM   #71 
                 - There's good documentary on China. I think it's just called "China". It's 6 hours long.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 04:59 PM   #132 
                    - Right on. Salud! n/t  Ghost Dog   Jun-07-08 05:17 PM   #141 
                    - Amazing post!  conflictgirl   Jun-08-08 01:59 AM   #184 
                       - Not on China but definitely on Mexico  readmoreoften   Jun-09-08 05:29 AM   #202 
           - Actually, socialism works fine - where its members aren't "disappeared" or similar  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 02:05 PM   #51 
              - Precisely.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 02:41 PM   #67 
     - Actually, "collective farming" was the standard method for millennia  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 04:51 PM   #129 
        - of course  Two Americas   Jun-07-08 05:03 PM   #135 
        - I think there's going to have to be a big revision of how things are done  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 05:54 PM   #152 
        - Then Came Enclosure  Crisco   Jun-08-08 07:21 AM   #189 
           - Absofuckinglutely.  Ghost Dog   Jun-08-08 10:49 AM   #190 
           - correct  Two Americas   Jun-08-08 10:53 PM   #201 
     - What about a Janitor with a PHD  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:16 PM   #18 
     - Please  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 12:23 PM   #21 
        - You are not talking collective activity, you are talking  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:34 PM   #24 
           - no, the essay said nothing about reeducation camps, socialism,  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 01:01 PM   #33 
              - commissar is a soviet term  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 01:06 PM   #34 
              - The writer criticized existing power arrangements. You transformed the criticism  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 01:56 PM   #46 
              - Soviet language and all hack no substance  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 01:59 PM   #48 
                 - The writer said nothing about reeducation camps, marx, or  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 02:07 PM   #52 
                    - Lets start with class.  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 02:17 PM   #57 
                       - Really. I can make $10 million tomorrow with nothing but speculation.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 02:45 PM   #70 
                       - Cash (yours or borrowed)  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:02 PM   #77 
                          - Perhaps you should look deeper into Soros' background, rather than relying on the  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:08 PM   #107 
                             - Two words  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 04:33 PM   #119 
                             - & before that? just a poor little bumpkin?  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:42 PM   #146 
                       - do those people have to sell their time to live, or do they live by buying other  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:19 PM   #84 
                       - You can speculate on anything.  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:33 PM   #89 
                          - I disagree that it can be done ethically. The present speculation  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:58 PM   #100 
                             - Speculate on interest rates value invest  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 04:31 PM   #118 
                             - "value invest" = speculate on necessary commodities =  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:51 PM   #150 
                             - Value invest =  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 07:46 PM   #159 
                             - you're the poster who was advocating for commodities on another  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 08:34 PM   #168 
                       - What's working class? Bageant puts it thus:  Ghost Dog   Jun-07-08 04:05 PM   #106 
                       - Then try the fascist term, KAPO or the plantation term OVERSEER  martymar64   Jun-07-08 09:17 PM   #171 
                       - nonsense  Two Americas   Jun-09-08 07:58 PM   #217 
              - No, it's a RUSSIAN term taken from French  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 02:08 PM   #53 
              - USSR and communism  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 02:19 PM   #59 
                 - If so, it would appear that bagneant is comparing the US functionaries  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 02:42 PM   #68 
              - that makes no sense  Two Americas   Jun-09-08 07:54 PM   #216 
              - Bullshit bullshit bullshit  Indenturedebtor   Jun-09-08 06:43 PM   #215 
     - What's wrong with a collective farm? Oksy then, you first.  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-07-08 01:27 PM   #37 
     - Kerala (one of the Communist success stories) went with land distribution instead  eridani   Jun-07-08 08:47 PM   #169 
  - Do you recommend that we all drive delivery trucks?  Kerry4Kerry   Jun-09-08 08:48 AM   #205 
  - Even that reply exposes your ingrained bias. n/t  greyhound1966   Jun-07-08 03:44 PM   #94 
  - Owning your time  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 11:50 AM   #5 
     - How do you  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 11:59 AM   #9 
     - barter for time, exchange time on paper  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:04 PM   #12 
        - The layers are very real even if unseen  T.Ruth2power   Jun-07-08 12:27 PM   #22 
           - By attempting to operate in that construct I would  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:36 PM   #25 
     - I wish I had the choice to have an apartment.  bobbolink   Jun-07-08 02:21 PM   #60 
     - No one owns their time who has to sell it to survive. The only "choice"  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:01 PM   #76 
        - But choices can be made that change the value  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:05 PM   #78 
           - Certainly choices can change the value of your time. So can  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:27 PM   #85 
              - Not stupidity..  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:41 PM   #93 
                 - Bali is expensive.  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:55 PM   #99 
                    - Chance is not the major factor  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 04:00 PM   #102 
                       - What is that list supposed to prove?  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:02 PM   #104 
                          - Access to resources  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 04:41 PM   #122 
                             - i don't see the point of posting it, then. what resources? what time?  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:46 PM   #148 
  - Sounds like you're the dude Joe was talking about. Truth hurts doesn't it? In DENIAL much?  TheGoldenRule   Jun-07-08 04:16 PM   #110 
  - I went to college got a job & sent my kid to college, Guilty as charged.  The_Casual_Observer   Jun-07-08 10:01 PM   #173 
  - I dont know much about Marxism, and I dont know what the author wants from me.  Dr Fate   Jun-07-08 04:43 PM   #126 
  - Essentially, you appear to be advocating Maoism, or something similar to it.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-07-08 11:47 AM   #4 
  - Oh big deal. What we do is no better than the Cultural Revolution.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 12:31 PM   #23 
  - All the isms are human constructs  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 12:42 PM   #26 
     - If you were on the "unequal" side, it wouldn't be a theoretical question to you.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 01:11 PM   #35 
        - I've been on that side  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 01:28 PM   #38 
           - Great for you. You're a token and an inspiration.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 02:08 PM   #54 
              - socialisim is not marxisim  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 02:31 PM   #63 
                 - Socialism was invented by Marx and synonymous with communism until it was later separated.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 03:06 PM   #79 
                 - George Lakoff  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:30 PM   #87 
                    - "class views is that they tend to trap the people who they define."  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:27 PM   #112 
                       - Knowledge is not degrees or smarts  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 04:40 PM   #121 
                          - You're probably safe, but here's where the problem comes in...  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 05:16 PM   #140 
                          - no one said it was limited to degrees. the chinese have mentors  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:49 PM   #149 
                             - Bottom line  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 08:03 PM   #162 
                                - japan's economy challenged the US by the 80s - 30 years.  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 08:25 PM   #164 
                 - So...  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:30 PM   #116 
                    - No I buy the company I work for  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 04:42 PM   #124 
                       - thus proving my point. you wouldn't continue as a wage slave, you'd  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:54 PM   #151 
                          - I am free to choose my job.  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 07:56 PM   #161 
                             - if you're so free to choose, why aren't you ceo of the company, instead of a hired hand?  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 08:28 PM   #165 
                             - Ever written a review?  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 10:19 PM   #174 
                                - but - if you got a billion, you'd buy the company & run it.  Hannah Bell   Jun-08-08 01:08 AM   #180 
                             - So this is a matter of choice?  T.Ruth2power   Jun-08-08 10:08 PM   #199 
  - Then why is the supply of those necessary people purposefully limited?  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:33 PM   #88 
  - Agree  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:44 PM   #95 
  - But if there were more doctors, lawyers, etc.  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:34 PM   #120 
  - Sorry, I forgot I was talking to mostly Americans.  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-07-08 07:52 PM   #160 
  - I will accept your invitation. CUBA has LOTS of doctors, and a good health care system.  bobbolink   Jun-07-08 04:45 PM   #127 
  - Cambodia killed them all, did not work out that well  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 11:51 AM   #6 
  - i met one of them.... she explained how they have 2-3 yr waiting lists for the right preschool that  sam sarrha   Jun-07-08 12:03 PM   #11 
  - I've got news for him. The people who are university deans and publishers aren't middle class.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 12:05 PM   #13 
  - Nice article  malaise   Jun-07-08 12:46 PM   #27 
  - That's interesting  sleebarker   Jun-07-08 10:53 PM   #176 
  - Geez. The only people who count are people who get dirty at work and don't earn much money?  Buzz Clik   Jun-07-08 12:56 PM   #30 
  - Sounds like immigrants to me.  Xenotime   Jun-07-08 04:29 PM   #114 
  - immigrants are the only people who get their hands dirty?  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:55 PM   #153 
  - Not the only people who count  blindpig   Jun-09-08 07:01 AM   #203 
  - The top 1-5% can't control the entire population themselves  Hydra   Jun-07-08 01:13 PM   #36 
  - Make your own pie!  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 01:37 PM   #42 
     - The stock exchange can be manipulated (by guess who?). Trusting your money to brookers will not  conspirator   Jun-07-08 02:47 PM   #72 
     - Dont invest in companies  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:08 PM   #80 
     - Funny how we're not all rich, then.  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:00 PM   #101 
        - The Uber-rich are more than just greedy  Hydra   Jun-09-08 10:20 AM   #209 
  - The spectacular misrepresentations here!  JackRiddler   Jun-07-08 01:31 PM   #40 
  - Can we define the classes in the US  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 01:48 PM   #44 
  - Hmmm...  JackRiddler   Jun-07-08 02:16 PM   #56 
  - Why not inform yourself rather than expose your ignorance.  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 02:18 PM   #58 
     - Read dahl, will read others  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 02:24 PM   #62 
        - What do you think classes ARE if not groupings of power distribution?  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 02:33 PM   #64 
           - New Haven  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 02:58 PM   #73 
              - I'm not a marxist and don't see the world through the filter of that dogma  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 04:25 PM   #111 
  - It's funny. Sometimes I forget that it has nothing to do with logic.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 02:02 PM   #49 
  - K and R  Rosemary2205   Jun-07-08 01:36 PM   #41 
  - I grew up with "Father Knows Best" and the rest as well, but for some  Cleita   Jun-07-08 01:48 PM   #45 
  - the commissar caste  Truth2Tell   Jun-07-08 02:03 PM   #50 
  - "But the solution to this situation isn't any sort of forced social engineering"  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 02:22 PM   #61 
     - Propaganda isn't  Truth2Tell   Jun-07-08 02:42 PM   #69 
        - It looks forced to me. I wasn't aware that we have the option not to have it shoved into our faces  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 03:14 PM   #83 
        - My family hasn't had a TV in our house for many years.  Truth2Tell   Jun-07-08 03:27 PM   #86 
        - Yes, when you're 7 years old, you have the choice of not watching TV,  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 03:44 PM   #96 
           - Sure, all true  Truth2Tell   Jun-07-08 04:03 PM   #105 
  - Wow, are there ever a lot of people (deliberately?) misunderstanding this article  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-07-08 02:41 PM   #66 
  - I love reading Joe B.  dweller   Jun-07-08 02:59 PM   #74 
  - Same impression I got.  conscious evolution   Jun-07-08 03:01 PM   #75 
  - They're trying to scare the proles out of being self-aware  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-07-08 03:09 PM   #81 
     - OH NOES!!1!!The Boogeymen!!  conscious evolution   Jun-07-08 03:41 PM   #91 
     - I see what they're doing, but WHY are they doing it on DU?  Raksha   Jun-07-08 04:11 PM   #108 
     - Some of the people who are doing this consistently advocate right-wing opinions  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-07-08 06:38 PM   #158 
     - What a *NICE* taxonomy, Lydia!  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 06:01 PM   #154 
     - Thank you for adding the classification  Solly Mack   Jun-08-08 12:10 AM   #179 
  - It is difficult for a person to understand something when their paycheck  greyhound1966   Jun-07-08 03:53 PM   #98 
     - You cannot awaken a man  conscious evolution   Jun-09-08 12:36 PM   #212 
        - Pretending, you say?  blindpig   Jun-09-08 01:27 PM   #213 
  - Ah, Joe Bageant, what a discovery for me, thanks.  Ghost Dog   Jun-07-08 03:41 PM   #92 
  - This is why I post here, brilliant place  Pavulon   Jun-07-08 03:52 PM   #97 
  - When I read things like this, I always fail to see what the author expects of me.  Dr Fate   Jun-07-08 04:27 PM   #113 
  - I think he expects us all to get in touch with how undeserved our situation is  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 04:42 PM   #123 
  - If so, I like the way you put it much better.  Dr Fate   Jun-07-08 04:45 PM   #128 
     - "we should do our best to help others..."  dweller   Jun-08-08 01:26 AM   #181 
        - Yup. "Manual and intellectual workers" of the world, unite!  Ghost Dog   Jun-08-08 02:07 AM   #185 
  - It's pretty simple  Dreamer Tatum   Jun-07-08 04:43 PM   #125 
     - I see your point as well.  Dr Fate   Jun-07-08 04:51 PM   #130 
     - Your interpretation is about 270 spherical degrees out from mine  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 05:00 PM   #134 
        - Bageant is being a condescending jerk, actually  Dreamer Tatum   Jun-07-08 05:04 PM   #136 
        - not trying to shame anyone for "what they amassed."  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:25 PM   #142 
        - I'd say he is advocating a degree of guilt. Milk shakes?  Dr Fate   Jun-07-08 05:08 PM   #138 
           - yes, it's about the milkshakes.  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:29 PM   #143 
           - Honestly, I don't see it. What I see him going off on are the "apparatchiki"  bean fidhleir   Jun-07-08 05:45 PM   #147 
              - Yes, what's worse, from what I gather (I was too young to be there personally)  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 06:20 PM   #157 
  - This is a great rant. These people have ruined america.  Xenotime   Jun-07-08 04:30 PM   #115 
  - Joe is DEAD ON. Look no further than DU for intellectual superiority aka B.S.  TheGoldenRule   Jun-07-08 04:31 PM   #117 
  - huh? illegal immigrants? that's a leap. it's not illegal immigrants  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 04:52 PM   #131 
     - No-I blame the corporations and business for giving those people jobs & allowing this to happen.  TheGoldenRule   Jun-07-08 05:05 PM   #137 
        - How about fixing NAFTA so that US companies don't displace millions of Mexicans  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 05:39 PM   #144 
        - Nafta Sucks. And FYI-I am totally Pro Union.  TheGoldenRule   Jun-07-08 11:02 PM   #177 
           - My point is purely pragmatic actually.  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 11:55 PM   #178 
        - Maybe you should blame the international financiers & politicians who took down  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 06:04 PM   #155 
           - First off, I never said anything about Mexico.  TheGoldenRule   Jun-07-08 10:32 PM   #175 
              - The laws of "this country" are made for the owning class.  Hannah Bell   Jun-08-08 01:27 AM   #182 
                 - Yes, we are in a class war.  TheGoldenRule   Jun-08-08 03:33 PM   #197 
  - question  Two Americas   Jun-07-08 05:00 PM   #133 
  - I thought that the author was advocating some form of communism or another.  Dr Fate   Jun-07-08 05:13 PM   #139 
  - is it true what he says? has he lied somewhere?  Hannah Bell   Jun-07-08 05:41 PM   #145 
  - Bageant  Two Americas   Jun-09-08 06:21 PM   #214 
  - My favorite "Anti-Red" quote from the House un-American Activities Committee:  readmoreoften   Jun-07-08 06:12 PM   #156 
  - Joe speaks for this old-time, blue collar, redneck, Truman Democrat.  FreeStateDemocrat   Jun-07-08 08:18 PM   #163 
  - Divide and rule is not exacty new.  bemildred   Jun-07-08 08:31 PM   #166 
  - Yeah, I thought it was unfair of Bageant to include teachers in his list of commissars  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-08-08 05:45 AM   #186 
     - I agree. Not all teachers (even these days) just help sell "The System" to kids  Ghost Dog   Jun-08-08 10:53 AM   #191 
     - I read it as referring to a role rather than individuals. How many teachers, do you suppose,  bean fidhleir   Jun-08-08 02:30 PM   #194 
        - 'Many', perhaps?  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-09-08 08:40 AM   #204 
           - I suspect not.  bean fidhleir   Jun-09-08 08:55 AM   #206 
  - Unfortunate duplicate. nt  bemildred   Jun-07-08 08:31 PM   #167 
  - This is the truth.  blindpig   Jun-07-08 09:56 PM   #172 
  - You either with us or against us eh?  tjwash   Jun-08-08 10:59 AM   #192 
     - At the end of the day  blindpig   Jun-08-08 06:53 PM   #198 
     - Which side are *you* on?  bean fidhleir   Jun-09-08 09:02 AM   #207 
  - who needs a beer?  dweller   Jun-08-08 01:58 AM   #183 
  - zing! you touched a nerve there, T.Ruth  kenzee13   Jun-08-08 06:43 AM   #187 
  - This is just a racist diatribe.  ginchinchili   Jun-08-08 11:28 AM   #193 
  - "Racist diatribe"?? You must be joking.  bean fidhleir   Jun-08-08 02:32 PM   #195 
  - Let's get real and connect the dots  madmusic   Jun-08-08 03:05 PM   #196 
  - What do you mean?  T.Ruth2power   Jun-08-08 10:12 PM   #200 
  - All of this talk of re-education camps  blindpig   Jun-09-08 09:09 AM   #208 
  - This is the kind of crap that makes DU an embarassment.  dbaker41   Jun-09-08 11:36 AM   #210 
     - Reading comperhension problem?  blindpig   Jun-09-08 12:09 PM   #211 

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