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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 11:37 PM
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92. It's inconvenient to farm and beside that work can hired out anyway
Just kidding :-)

My sister is a nurse but my brother-in-law is part of co-op farm in Kentucky. He threw in his dads four-hundred some acres with the rest (about 6,000 acres). They have this one big combine tractor they use that is all enclosed and quiet with air-conditioner, plush seating, plenty of room and a nice car stereo as standard equipment. Farming isn't what it used to be anymore. He says just about everything they do Monsanto or some other big corporation has a hand in anyway.
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  -Great Lakes fending off horde of sippers in 'water war' NNN0LHI  May-26-08 07:00 PM   #0 
  - I LOVE what passes for a water war in this country.  otherlander   May-26-08 07:04 PM   #1 
  - Yeah, you live in Arizona because it doesn't rain, then you want  SmokingJacket   May-26-08 07:05 PM   #2 
  - I suppose there are all sorts of arguments  ulysses   May-26-08 07:05 PM   #3 
  - I supported Bill Richardson until he said...  hornblast   May-26-08 07:10 PM   #5 
     - What's wrong with sharing water? n/t  cynatnite   May-26-08 07:16 PM   #8 
     - Fossil water.  NutmegYankee   May-26-08 07:31 PM   #11 
     - The Great Lakes' problem is shared by 90% of the world's lakes...  cynatnite   May-26-08 07:39 PM   #14 
        - I don't know about the others, but Lake Michigan  shraby   May-26-08 07:47 PM   #19 
        - The level of Lake Superior hit an all-time low in 2006  NNN0LHI   May-26-08 08:03 PM   #27 
        - If people want drinking water they can move out of the desert  malakai2   May-26-08 08:17 PM   #30 
        - My husband and I considering moving our family to southern New Mexico...  cynatnite   May-26-08 08:30 PM   #32 
        - It's a desert. Or didn't you hear? nt  mycritters2   May-26-08 09:04 PM   #50 
        - Ethiopia obviously can't  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:08 PM   #55 
        - thanks, that's an excellent point  Scout   May-27-08 06:52 AM   #98 
        - Actually, with modern technology, you can fuck all you want...  Tesha   May-27-08 07:19 AM   #107 
        - Only asshole Republicans did this.  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:16 PM   #62 
        - I live in western South Dakota  malakai2   May-26-08 09:26 PM   #66 
        - malakai2, that was one excellent post.  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:48 PM   #79 
        - Don't forget to mention all those golf courses, pools and green lawns they want  kineta   May-28-08 11:00 AM   #127 
        - I live in northern SD, and moved to SD from OH  liberalhistorian   May-29-08 10:39 PM   #148 
        - But you are choosing to move to an area you know has little water.  Marrah_G   May-27-08 07:18 AM   #106 
        - That's a thoughtful anaysis, thanks  Canuckistanian   May-26-08 09:13 PM   #60 
        - Are there any fully independent and self-sufficient locales in the United States?  LanternWaste   May-30-08 10:45 AM   #153 
        - Drinking water?  Enthusiast   May-26-08 08:49 PM   #37 
        - You want Great lakes Water? Simple solution.  JonathanChance   May-26-08 09:00 PM   #45 
        - Exactily !  Lifetimedem   May-31-08 04:03 PM   #159 
        - people need to live where the water is....  Scout   May-27-08 06:49 AM   #97 
        - How about a trade?  FORREST GRUMP   May-29-08 03:56 PM   #142 
        - "Denying people drinking water is not going to solve the problems."  bean fidhleir   May-27-08 07:02 AM   #100 
     - One of the facts regarding the discovery of oil is that we have for  jwirr   May-26-08 07:54 PM   #22 
     - It's far more complicated than that.  knitter4democracy   May-26-08 09:01 PM   #46 
     - Nothing is wrong with sharing water, come here and get your drink.  notadmblnd   May-29-08 10:22 PM   #147 
     - Yeah I lost a LOT of respect for him when he said that.  Indenturedebtor   May-27-08 01:56 AM   #96 
  - Y'know, this is how civil wars start: When different regions of a country fight over resources.  Selatius   May-26-08 07:09 PM   #4 
  - Water resources, our next war, and you can't drink oil.  lonestarnot   May-26-08 07:13 PM   #6 
  - law of unintended consequences:  ulysses   May-26-08 07:35 PM   #13 
  - Growing crops in areas that need constant irrigation  Enthusiast   May-26-08 08:53 PM   #39 
  - Like moving to the desert? Stupid shit like that? nt  mycritters2   May-26-08 08:54 PM   #40 
  - And a desert that is batshit crazy for richie golfers.  lonestarnot   May-26-08 09:27 PM   #68 
  - actually, I had in mind cosmetic things like watering lawns.  ulysses   May-26-08 09:31 PM   #72 
     - The only people who have the right to live there are those willing to live within  bean fidhleir   May-27-08 07:13 AM   #105 
  - Stupid shit, like pumping it into a desert? nt  NCevilDUer   May-28-08 10:26 AM   #120 
  - That's too bad. People in the South and West will just have to move back North.  NEOBuckeye   May-26-08 07:57 PM   #26 
  - 1. what "back"? not everyone came from "back east".  ulysses   May-26-08 08:07 PM   #28 
  - One difference, of course, is that if you live *WITHIN* the watershed...  Tesha   May-27-08 07:33 AM   #110 
  - Sustainability  Hans Moleman   May-31-08 02:47 PM   #157 
  - Y'know, I would advance the argument that perhaps the US should be broken into several nations.  Selatius   May-26-08 08:15 PM   #29 
  - So what kind of mental giant are you?  Enthusiast   May-26-08 08:55 PM   #41 
  - Heh, yet you automatically preclude any idea of a peaceful separation. Who's the mental giant? nt  Selatius   May-26-08 11:51 PM   #93 
  - Oh relax, it will happen someday- remember that even Rome fell.  Marrah_G   May-27-08 07:26 AM   #109 
  - I think it will before long.  Marrah_G   May-27-08 07:24 AM   #108 
  - The hell of it is, all those people that move to the desert don't want  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 08:43 PM   #35 
  - States like Michigan and Penn don't own that water...  SidDithers   May-26-08 08:41 PM   #34 
     - yes, and Canada doesn't want the Great Lakes water going anywhere either n/t  Scout   May-27-08 06:57 AM   #99 
  - Of course we need to protect them. Try telling the MI GOP that, though.  knitter4democracy   May-26-08 07:15 PM   #7 
  - The Great Lakes supply over 30 million people drinking water...  cynatnite   May-26-08 07:23 PM   #10 
  - Drinking it isn't the problem - but selling it off to the desert states  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 08:46 PM   #36 
  - Exactly.  knitter4democracy   May-26-08 09:03 PM   #49 
  - It's part of it, though.  knitter4democracy   May-26-08 09:02 PM   #48 
  - wow...that's crazy if true  Blue_Tires   May-28-08 10:57 AM   #126 
     - It's all the talk up north.  knitter4democracy   May-28-08 02:41 PM   #129 
  - Forget Oil -- It's all about WATER  elfin   May-26-08 07:20 PM   #9 
  - You bring up a good point that most people are unaware of -  hedgehog   May-30-08 10:25 AM   #152 
  - I think it will be inevitable that this country will install a nationwide aqueduct system.  A HERETIC I AM   May-26-08 07:32 PM   #12 
  - That natural flow into the Atlantic has the environmental effect of  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 08:50 PM   #38 
  - There is no reason to think the St. Lawrence Seaway would become a trickle.  A HERETIC I AM   May-26-08 10:11 PM   #84 
  - What surplus?  malakai2   May-26-08 10:33 PM   #87 
  - There was no reason 50 years ago to think the Colorado would  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 10:34 PM   #88 
  - Actually, you have your Central Valley reference a bit backwards there.  Xithras   May-27-08 04:35 PM   #119 
  - Or those who moved to the South and southwest for the heat and dry air,  mycritters2   May-26-08 08:57 PM   #42 
  - People move to various regions in this country for a variety of reasons....  A HERETIC I AM   May-26-08 10:15 PM   #85 
     - But those two things are not similar  malakai2   May-26-08 11:12 PM   #90 
     - If they prefer to be warm, they should put on a sweater!  bean fidhleir   May-27-08 09:08 AM   #114 
  - OMG! This is exactly why we shouldn't do this.  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:22 PM   #65 
     - It does not pass for a good idea. It is however, the reality.  A HERETIC I AM   May-26-08 10:08 PM   #83 
  - The Great Lakes should be protected.  Fox Mulder   May-26-08 07:39 PM   #15 
  - y'all got everything you'll ever need in abundance up there?  ulysses   May-26-08 07:40 PM   #16 
  - Well, if we're talking trade here...  malakai2   May-26-08 11:26 PM   #91 
  - Of course...stupid people and their kids should go thirsty...  cynatnite   May-26-08 07:45 PM   #17 
     - Oh, so people here in the Midwest should go thirsty...  Fox Mulder   May-26-08 07:47 PM   #18 
     - You're the one calling AZ and NM residents stupid...  cynatnite   May-26-08 07:49 PM   #20 
     - Why not set up desal plants?  Fox Mulder   May-26-08 07:50 PM   #21 
     - Bullcrap.  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 08:58 PM   #43 
     - They're the ones who chose to go without adequate water,  mycritters2   May-26-08 08:59 PM   #44 
     - Building THIS in a desert is stupid.  mycritters2   May-26-08 09:08 PM   #56 
     - no one is saying they cannot have any water  Scout   May-27-08 07:04 AM   #102 
     - Trade you some Arizona copper.  Ptah   May-26-08 09:07 PM   #54 
        - Michigan has copper.... n./t  Scout   May-27-08 07:06 AM   #103 
        - And of course, everyone in Phoenix works in the copper mines.  NCevilDUer   May-28-08 10:34 AM   #121 
     - no, just move back to the habitable areas they abandoned  galledgoblin   May-26-08 07:55 PM   #24 
     - Agreed.  Fox Mulder   May-26-08 07:55 PM   #25 
     - My uncle has lived in NM for 30 years...his daughter and grandchildren...  cynatnite   May-26-08 08:35 PM   #33 
        - and if they want to stay there, fine...  galledgoblin   May-26-08 09:04 PM   #53 
        - What % of the homes in Phoenix  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:29 PM   #69 
           - What percent of the homes in Phoenix have green lawns?  Fox Mulder   May-26-08 09:30 PM   #71 
           - I have no idea, but it's insane to think that ANYONE owns a PRIVATE POOL  galledgoblin   May-26-08 09:42 PM   #78 
           - Google Earth pic of random neighbourhood in Phoenix...  SidDithers   May-27-08 08:07 AM   #112 
           - See, these people would squander  Enthusiast   May-27-08 08:37 AM   #113 
           - Holy shit!! WTF is wrong with those people?!!  mycritters2   May-27-08 01:57 PM   #115 
           - I saw A LOT of pools in Phoenix and surrounding cities. What's your point?  kineta   May-28-08 11:11 AM   #128 
        - And it's time to move. nt  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:26 PM   #67 
     - maybe they can drink the water they are using for their golf courses and swimming pools  Scout   May-27-08 07:02 AM   #101 
  - A gaggle of geese, a hoarde of sippers...And now you know  Whoa_Nelly   May-26-08 07:54 PM   #23 
  - They've sucked so much water out of the Colorado that it no longer reaches the ocean  Ferd Berfle   May-26-08 08:22 PM   #31 
  - Well put. nt  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 09:04 PM   #51 
     - Another +1 nt  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:30 PM   #70 
  - A line must be drawn here.  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:01 PM   #47 
  - People that live in the desert sw want our water to supply the fountains of Las vegas?  greenman3610   May-26-08 09:04 PM   #52 
  - And we'll keep our copper.  Ptah   May-26-08 09:09 PM   #57 
  - I haven't asked for your copper.  mycritters2   May-26-08 09:10 PM   #58 
  - Whose copper do you depend on?  Ptah   May-26-08 09:12 PM   #59 
     - If you decided not to make copper available, I'd have to learn to cope.  mycritters2   May-26-08 09:14 PM   #61 
     - It would be un-christian to not share our natural resources.  Ptah   May-26-08 09:16 PM   #63 
        - You moved to where the resources aren't available.  mycritters2   May-26-08 09:19 PM   #64 
        - Adult, what a concept! nt  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:34 PM   #75 
        - well, then, the Iraqis should be happy to share their oil with us  greenman3610   May-26-08 09:37 PM   #76 
        - It would be un-christian to loot your neighbors' resources. nt  NCevilDUer   May-28-08 10:39 AM   #122 
        - On second thought, it sounds VERY christian. nt  NCevilDUer   May-29-08 02:49 PM   #139 
        - Is it Christian to destory one area's ecosystem to fill swimming pools and water golf courses  gollygee   May-28-08 10:49 AM   #125 
        - Not being a christian,  Book Lover   May-29-08 12:44 AM   #136 
     - Michigan's copper.  Fox Mulder   May-26-08 09:32 PM   #73 
     - The Anaconda mines in Chile. probably.  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 10:00 PM   #81 
  - Michigan still has plenty, actually.  knitter4democracy   May-28-08 02:44 PM   #130 
  - You are right!  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:32 PM   #74 
  - And midwest water is already in short supply.  NCevilDUer   May-26-08 10:24 PM   #86 
  - I'd like to see a map  ulysses   May-26-08 09:37 PM   #77 
  - Ulysses, it would be interesting.  Enthusiast   May-26-08 09:53 PM   #80 
  - thanks for the link to this water war story  mdmc   May-26-08 10:03 PM   #82 
  - I can't say that I blame people for moving to the Southwest.  riverdeep   May-26-08 10:57 PM   #89 
  - It's inconvenient to farm and beside that work can hired out anyway  nolabels   May-26-08 11:37 PM   #92 
  - Not to continue with the dead horse but  Enthusiast   May-27-08 03:51 PM   #116 
  - So you want to keep your water. Try keeping your populace that flees here.  Neshanic   May-26-08 11:53 PM   #94 
  - if you're an example of the people we will find, no problem  Scout   May-27-08 07:12 AM   #104 
  - No problem- I don't do well in intense heat and sun.  Marrah_G   May-27-08 07:34 AM   #111 
  - We lost jobs to you, that's why.  knitter4democracy   May-28-08 02:47 PM   #131 
  - Lake Erie is one of the cleanest fresh-water lakes  Ikonoklast   May-29-08 08:00 PM   #144 
  - The shorter, warmer winters are lowering the water levels in the Great Lakes...  tokenlib   May-27-08 01:42 AM   #95 
  - Can you envision foreign tankers  Enthusiast   May-27-08 03:54 PM   #117 
     - Rumor has it that it's already happening.  knitter4democracy   May-28-08 02:48 PM   #132 
        - It is a frightening prospect.  Enthusiast   May-29-08 12:21 AM   #135 
  - This is a message from your friendly neighbourhood Canadian:  Evoman   May-27-08 04:29 PM   #118 
  - water for Golf Courses in the desert SW  LeftHander   May-28-08 10:44 AM   #123 
  - People forget that the water doesn't belong to the US  gollygee   May-28-08 10:46 AM   #124 
  - Damn straight.  knitter4democracy   May-28-08 02:49 PM   #133 
     - That's Right--We ARE Our Own Country Up Here  Hidden Stillness   May-29-08 10:37 AM   #137 
        - Totally!  knitter4democracy   May-29-08 03:54 PM   #141 
  - The desert states have to develop sustainable lifestyles.  ozone_man   May-28-08 03:22 PM   #134 
  - Lake Michigan is Chicago's sewage treatment plant.  L0oniX   May-29-08 10:41 AM   #138 
  - and nobody shits in Wisconsin?  LSK   May-29-08 02:55 PM   #140 
     - I was just going for the largest city along Lake Michigan. I'm sure Milwaukee beer drinkers  L0oniX   May-29-08 07:41 PM   #143 
  - Individual states making decisions about access to navigable waters like these.  flvegan   May-29-08 08:12 PM   #145 
  - John Wesley Powell  Mendocino   May-29-08 10:15 PM   #146 
  - Jesus - there are a lot of self-righeous republican acting ASSHOLES in this thread  dbackjon   May-29-08 11:01 PM   #149 
  - I wouldn't say that. It's just a passionate issue.  NutmegYankee   May-30-08 12:17 AM   #150 
  - I don't mind if some people have to live in desert areas  galledgoblin   May-30-08 02:09 AM   #151 
     - So you don't use any modern amenities in your house?  dbackjon   May-30-08 01:12 PM   #154 
        - I consider the northeast-great lakes region to be my neighborhood  galledgoblin   May-31-08 02:36 PM   #156 
  - Hark! The forthcoming invasion of Canada! n/t  Toucano   May-30-08 01:16 PM   #155 
  - What is needed is tertiary water treatment along with conservation.  seasat   May-31-08 03:56 PM   #158 

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