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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:43 PM
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112. This is an interesting conversation, actually....
I am a B in the GLBTQ spectrum, and have a number of friends falling underneath all the other little letters. We have had numerous talks about reclaiming "queer" and "faggot" and "dyke" and "fencesitter", with some of us feeling as though this is a liberatory practice and others finding it to be a painful rehashing of negative experiences in their life.

I remember Dave Chapelle speaking about this when he was questioned on his use of the word "nigger" in his act and on his show. That kicked off a fresh round of conversation between myself and my friends. We also talked about our comfort or discomfort in non-GLBTQ people using these terms around us, even if friends. Again, some felt fine with it and others were conflicted.

I suppose I don't have any real point to this post, other than to mention that your comment above reminded me of many conversations I have had about the power of words to offend, to empower, to define and to create or destroy solidarity.

Cheers from your friendly online fencesitter! :)

:hi:
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  -Faggot, Faggot, Faggot Madspirit  Mar-03-07 04:21 PM   #0 
  - it's that it's Ann Coulter -  mzteris   Mar-03-07 04:24 PM   #1 
  - I tried to say this and was gang tackled.  Clark2008   Mar-03-07 06:52 PM   #91 
     - it occured to me that  mzteris   Mar-03-07 06:56 PM   #92 
  - Her Statement Offends On EVERY Level  Mr. Ected   Mar-03-07 04:24 PM   #2 
  - Both n/t  melody   Mar-03-07 04:25 PM   #3 
  - Neither. It's because she DID insult Edwards and she DID insult gay folks. Sheesh.  BlooInBloo   Mar-03-07 04:26 PM   #4 
  - I don't regard it as an insult to be 'accused' of being gay.  TahitiNut   Mar-03-07 05:13 PM   #45 
     - That's the difference between "faggot" and "gay". Duh.  BlooInBloo   Mar-03-07 05:57 PM   #74 
        - Ahhh ... a cunning linguist, huh?  TahitiNut   Mar-03-07 07:25 PM   #107 
  - ?  ulysses   Mar-03-07 04:26 PM   #5 
  - I would like  bicentennial_baby   Mar-03-07 04:31 PM   #10 
  - No, coulter is not a man..that would  zidzi   Mar-03-07 04:35 PM   # 
  - I've been guilty of that kind of thing.  ulysses   Mar-03-07 04:38 PM   #23 
     - I agree with that...  bicentennial_baby   Mar-03-07 04:43 PM   #25 
        - I can imagine.  ulysses   Mar-03-07 04:51 PM   #31 
           - Yeah, I need more self-control...hehe  bicentennial_baby   Mar-03-07 04:53 PM   #33 
              - he's really good at entertaining himself  ulysses   Mar-03-07 04:56 PM   #36 
                 - OMG! I had that!!  bicentennial_baby   Mar-03-07 05:24 PM   #56 
  - I think the response  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 05:43 PM   #66 
  - fair enough.  ulysses   Mar-03-07 05:48 PM   #71 
     - Hell...  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 06:08 PM   #80 
  - why I am doing this is beyond me, but...  frogcycle   Mar-03-07 07:39 PM   #111 
  - meanings of the word "faggot"--most of which do NOT refer to sexual orientation  niyad   Mar-03-07 04:27 PM   #6 
  - Oh yeah, she was calling Edwards a cigarettte.  Lex   Mar-03-07 04:30 PM   #7 
  - I know that.  niyad   Mar-03-07 04:34 PM   #13 
  - What's your point?  JackBeck   Mar-03-07 04:31 PM   #8 
  - just that with all the meanings of the word, she can only fixate on one truly hateful one.  niyad   Mar-03-07 04:35 PM   #17 
  - Most people do when not referring to a cigarette.  JackBeck   Mar-03-07 04:36 PM   #19 
  - This person needs to read the current issue of The Advocate  terrya   Mar-03-07 04:36 PM   #18 
  - They Wouldn't Send Her To Rehab  Mr. Ected   Mar-03-07 04:31 PM   #9 
  - she is going to rehab? missed that. no, I know exactly what she was saying, and it sickens me that  niyad   Mar-03-07 04:37 PM   #20 
     - Going To Rehab Was Part of Her Comment:  Mr. Ected   Mar-03-07 04:42 PM   #24 
  - Anything that isn't Megalomania ,Ann deems Fagot ,Kkkarl's bitch...  orpupilofnature57   Mar-03-07 04:33 PM   #12 
  - as a technical point, "fag" (but not "faggot") refers to a cigarette  unblock   Mar-03-07 04:51 PM   #28 
  - Well....  terrya   Mar-03-07 05:23 PM   #52 
     - agreed, especially in the u.s.  unblock   Mar-03-07 06:03 PM   #77 
     - Oh so Wrong! And here's the proof...  jannyk   Mar-03-07 06:15 PM   #81 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-07 04:51 PM   #29 
  - Some more definitions... not quite as cute ...  JustABozoOnThisBus   Mar-03-07 04:59 PM   #38 
  - .  Harvey Korman   Mar-03-07 05:31 PM   #60 
  - Who's to say that "newbie" was  zidzi   Mar-03-07 04:33 PM   #11 
  - not to mention 1 of 100,000 registered users  Caution   Mar-03-07 04:55 PM   #35 
  - she was insulting gay people  brettdale   Mar-03-07 04:34 PM   #14 
  - You lost me....  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 04:34 PM   #15 
  - NO, but there is a disturbing amount of  bicentennial_baby   Mar-03-07 04:38 PM   #22 
     - Fear of Transexual individuals?  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 04:49 PM   #27 
        - Transgender  bicentennial_baby   Mar-03-07 04:51 PM   #30 
           - Oh, I see what you mean.  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 04:56 PM   #37 
              - We should disagree with people on their words and actions alone.  JackBeck   Mar-03-07 05:03 PM   #40 
              - Yeah, like that's going to happen.  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 05:13 PM   #46 
                 - Hey, I'd never censor anyones sexism, racism, or homophobia. Ever.  JackBeck   Mar-03-07 05:20 PM   #50 
                    - More power to you.  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 05:27 PM   #57 
                       - I would find a discussion about Bush's appearance would be more interesting  JackBeck   Mar-03-07 05:33 PM   #62 
                          - I don't often participate in name-calling, actually.  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 05:47 PM   #69 
              - Why post any sexist objectifications of women?  lwfern   Mar-03-07 06:29 PM   #84 
                 - Right On!!  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 06:35 PM   #85 
                 - (just btw)  lwfern   Mar-03-07 07:54 PM   #117 
                 - Glad to see I wasn't the only one who was grossed out by those comments.  JackBeck   Mar-03-07 06:36 PM   #87 
                 - Um, HELLO?! ANN FUCKING COULTER!!!  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 06:51 PM   #88 
                    - I find that contradictory. How could stooping to her childish level  blonndee   Mar-03-07 07:03 PM   #97 
                    - All I'm saying is...  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 07:15 PM   #99 
                       - There is no "winning," it's not a competition.  blonndee   Mar-03-07 07:16 PM   #101 
                          - And you're probably right.  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 07:21 PM   #103 
                    - Not buying it. You own your behavior, not her.  lwfern   Mar-03-07 07:17 PM   #102 
                       - Actually, you're right.  Bicoastal   Mar-03-07 07:22 PM   #105 
                          - Alright, that took guts  lwfern   Mar-03-07 07:51 PM   #114 
  - As a brown person, I have the same question. n/t  sfexpat2000   Mar-03-07 04:34 PM   #16 
  - So... yet another test we have to pass  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 04:38 PM   #21 
  - I don't think it's another test, I think it's the same test  hulklogan   Mar-03-07 04:45 PM   #26 
  - The OP isn't about the 'ignorant poster'  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 04:52 PM   #32 
     - I guess I don't understand what you're getting at  hulklogan   Mar-03-07 05:01 PM   #39 
     - I don't need more reason to be mad at Coulter  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 05:16 PM   #48 
        - I think you're reading way more into the OP than what was intended  hulklogan   Mar-03-07 05:37 PM   #64 
           - Yeah, blonndee enlightened me  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 06:03 PM   #76 
     - Wow, it's all about you?  blonndee   Mar-03-07 05:04 PM   #41 
        - It asks a question of 'you guys'  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 05:07 PM   #42 
           - Yeah, she asked a question. How do you see that as "categorizing"? Seriously. n/t  blonndee   Mar-03-07 05:08 PM   #43 
              - Read the question  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 05:18 PM   #49 
                 - Well, I read it differently. Maybe the reasons are "categorized"  blonndee   Mar-03-07 05:23 PM   #53 
                 - Okay, now that you mention it  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 05:29 PM   #58 
                    - I have to say...  blonndee   Mar-03-07 06:58 PM   #94 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-07 05:23 PM   #54 
                    - Oh, gee  Oeditpus Rex   Mar-03-07 05:30 PM   #59 
                       - OK...sorry  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 05:47 PM   #70 
  - who are you?  bicentennial_baby   Mar-03-07 04:54 PM   #34 
  - There is many reasons why this commentary is wrong ....  Trajan   Mar-03-07 05:09 PM   #44 
  - When I was a young leftist...  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 05:21 PM   #51 
  - Well, it's a revolting word to use  LeftishBrit   Mar-03-07 05:15 PM   #47 
  - "Faggot" is a disgusting word used to demean gay people  BlueStater   Mar-03-07 05:24 PM   #55 
  - the word is offensive.  dddem   Mar-03-07 05:31 PM   #61 
  - dunno about the Left in general, but if you're gay, you're cool with me. Unless  Redstone   Mar-03-07 05:35 PM   #63 
  - She's just insulting to any sane person,period.  Forkboy   Mar-03-07 05:38 PM   #65 
  - :shrug:  aikoaiko   Mar-03-07 05:45 PM   #67 
  - I really don't think...  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 05:46 PM   #68 
     - I'm just teasing 'cuz this topic and all its permutations have been played out.  aikoaiko   Mar-03-07 06:27 PM   #82 
        - I knew that.  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 06:29 PM   #83 
  - People claiming they're 'telling it like it is' are usually the most full of shit  Little Wing   Mar-03-07 05:50 PM   #72 
  - I'm not full of shit.  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 06:01 PM   #75 
  - I'm pretty much offended by everything that comes out of her mouth...  sjbech   Mar-03-07 05:53 PM   #73 
  - i'm offended that she exists at all  pitohui   Mar-03-07 06:03 PM   #78 
  - Why would anyone be offended that she insulted Edwards?  The Straight Story   Mar-03-07 06:07 PM   #79 
  - I think I'm offended by your subject line o_o n/t  slowry   Mar-03-07 06:35 PM   #86 
  - I think I don't care n/t  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 06:51 PM   #89 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-07 07:00 PM   #95 
        - You're talking to a lesbian.  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 07:16 PM   #100 
           - He might have the time to read the site at his leisure very soon  Forkboy   Mar-03-07 07:21 PM   #104 
           - Infinite?  slowry   Mar-03-07 07:24 PM   #106 
              - Then you missed the point entirely...  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 07:29 PM   #108 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-07 07:35 PM   #109 
                 - I'm quite coherent  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 07:39 PM   #110 
                    - Can you let me leave this thread please?  slowry   Mar-03-07 07:50 PM   #113 
                       - Give me a break  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 07:53 PM   #116 
                 - This is an interesting conversation, actually....  sjbech   Mar-03-07 07:43 PM   #112 
  - It's a pejorative for gay men. It is a VULGARISM not spoken in polite company. Are you new to  WinkyDink   Mar-03-07 06:52 PM   #90 
  - I don't know why  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 06:58 PM   #93 
     - Perhaps I misread. I THOUGHT your post was wondering what was so bad about what she said.  WinkyDink   Mar-03-07 07:02 PM   #96 
        - No  Madspirit   Mar-03-07 07:14 PM   #98 
  - it's not a trivial point; the insult was to gays, not to edwards, but a lot of i'm sure  HardRocker05   Mar-03-07 07:51 PM   #115 
  - Locking.  Fenris   Mar-03-07 08:00 PM   #118 
 

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