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Sun May-18-08 06:04 PM
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| 51. There is some amazing disingenuity in this thread. |
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Edited on Sun May-18-08 06:08 PM by FarceOfNature
First, regardless of homophobia and fear stigmas associated with this disease, some groups are at risk for infection by many many times more than other groups. The most obvious groups are gays and African Americans. I don't see anybody putting it out there but the fact of the matter is that gay men practice anal penetration, which is far riskier for transmission of STD's than (most) vaginal intercourse. This is because the tissue tears more easily, the anus is not equipped for natural lubrication as well as the vagina is. This is not homophobia, this is medical fact. In some HIV stricken regions in Africa, men desire "dry" vaginas and women will even pack herbs to achieve this. Again, this is not a moral evaluation that these groups are drastically higher risk for HIV transmission, it is medical fact. African Americans are incarcerated at astronomically higher rates. In prison, sexual contact occurs in a setting where condoms and lubrication are not only unavailable but often outright banned. As such, anal penetration is far riskier than it would have been with adequate lubrication and condom use and HIV transmissionrate skyrockets. Once again, not racist frothing but statements of medical fact.
I don't think posters have been truthful with themselves and others in this thread. There is a middle ground between insensitivity and walking on glass.
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| -I didn't give blood yesterday |
dsc |
May-17-08 04:44 PM |
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sorry to ask this |
maddezmom |
May-17-08 04:49 PM |
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gays can't give blood |
dsc |
May-17-08 04:51 PM |
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I didn't know this |
maddezmom |
May-17-08 05:21 PM |
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they ask about being a prostitute, and having sex with a man who had sex with another man |
dsc |
May-17-08 05:30 PM |
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There are no questions on the donor questionaire regarding heterosexual practices |
Der Blaue Engel |
May-17-08 05:33 PM |
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I was asked |
sandnsea |
May-17-08 06:20 PM |
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I know how you feel. I had cancer 25 years ago, am completely |
babylonsister |
May-17-08 05:24 PM |
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thank god you are cured |
dsc |
May-17-08 05:31 PM |
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Thanks, dsc. I don't think anyone who has had cancer |
babylonsister |
May-17-08 05:35 PM |
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amazing |
dsc |
May-17-08 05:47 PM |
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A) Very glad to hear you're a survivor. |
PeaceNikki |
May-17-08 05:38 PM |
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I had chemo, so that leaves me out. But thanks for that; maybe it |
babylonsister |
May-17-08 05:53 PM |
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I run drives at work and one of my co-workers is fighting pancreatic cancer for 2nd time. |
PeaceNikki |
May-17-08 05:58 PM |
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lesbians can donate |
galledgoblin |
May-17-08 05:34 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
May-17-08 05:35 PM |
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You are giving a silly excuse |
bamalib |
May-17-08 05:39 PM |
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the people running the drive would know me to be a liar |
dsc |
May-17-08 05:45 PM |
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How nasty can you get? Your remarks are deplorable. You're not |
babylonsister |
May-17-08 05:46 PM |
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Sorry I think the OP is on a high horse and is using a blood drive to push an agenda. |
bamalib |
May-17-08 07:31 PM |
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that is absurd |
dsc |
May-17-08 07:38 PM |
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Get out of my LIFE. |
baby_mouse |
May-21-08 03:11 PM |
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Go to hell--from a multi-transfused recipient. I pray that more people will donate |
blondeatlast |
May-21-08 04:19 PM |
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Seems a lot of assumptions there, and passing judgement. |
uppityperson |
May-17-08 05:48 PM |
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It is sick to accuse someone of following offical policy of "letting others die" |
hulklogan |
May-17-08 06:18 PM |
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It may be outrageous but there is a way to avoid it. |
bamalib |
May-17-08 07:29 PM |
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presumedly the people running the drives you go to |
dsc |
May-17-08 07:31 PM |
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So you're willing to lie about something that may be a risk factor so you can donate blood |
hulklogan |
May-17-08 07:36 PM |
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You are confused because you don't know the process |
bamalib |
May-18-08 05:04 PM |
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actually that isn't entirely true |
dsc |
May-18-08 06:08 PM |
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My eating meat in this country would give me a better chance at madcow |
bamalib |
May-18-08 08:02 PM |
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Your point is actually a really good one. |
hulklogan |
May-18-08 08:21 PM |
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Tests and the people who administer them are not 100% perfect |
fed_up_mother |
May-21-08 05:50 PM |
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yes, because that's a BRILLIANT strategy |
galledgoblin |
May-17-08 07:40 PM |
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I agree. |
PeaceNikki |
May-17-08 07:41 PM |
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screened and clean |
sandnsea |
May-17-08 08:10 PM |
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me? no I can't guarantee that |
galledgoblin |
May-17-08 08:58 PM |
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Neat little tests and machines and equipment... |
Dinkeldog |
May-17-08 10:12 PM |
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All donated blood is tested and screened |
bamalib |
May-18-08 05:07 PM |
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of course I knew that, don't be silly |
galledgoblin |
May-18-08 05:42 PM |
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It isn't just gay men |
bamalib |
May-18-08 07:54 PM |
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I don't give blood any more. |
LWolf |
May-17-08 05:51 PM |
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## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
May-17-08 06:09 PM |
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or you might spread gay cooties! |
LeftyMom |
May-17-08 07:13 PM |
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To clarify, it's NOT the American Red Cross, it's the FDA |
PeaceNikki |
May-17-08 07:16 PM |
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Thanks. I'll edit. nt |
LeftyMom |
May-17-08 07:17 PM |
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ARC has been trying real hard to get them to lift it. |
PeaceNikki |
May-17-08 07:17 PM |
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27 gallons here |
Skittles |
May-17-08 07:51 PM |
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Wow Skittles - that's a HUGH amount! |
Godlesscommieprevert |
May-18-08 05:13 PM |
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That's such a stupid policy. |
Jamastiene |
May-17-08 09:53 PM |
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fwiw, I think the policy is more about risk of lawsuit than medical risk. |
pinto |
May-17-08 10:05 PM |
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Here's the thinking. Generally, infection requires a vector and a source of infection. |
pinto |
May-17-08 10:17 PM |
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So, before you were out... |
MoeHayNow |
May-17-08 10:22 PM |
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of course I lied |
dsc |
May-18-08 06:27 AM |
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I used to donate - but after the BSE scare they don't want mine |
Godlesscommieprevert |
May-18-08 05:11 PM |
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If you want to donate just don't tell them that. |
bamalib |
May-18-08 05:21 PM |
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I don't think you can test for BSE |
Godlesscommieprevert |
May-18-08 05:28 PM |
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Just my opinion for what it's worth |
Time for change |
May-18-08 06:04 PM |
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There is some amazing disingenuity in this thread. |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 06:04 PM |
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even celebate gays |
dsc |
May-18-08 06:11 PM |
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I'm not defending the giving ban; I honestly think it's a pointless cruel ban |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 08:45 PM |
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Not all gay men practice anal penetration, you know |
hulklogan |
May-18-08 07:05 PM |
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Indeed. It is behavior, not orientation or skin color. |
uppityperson |
May-18-08 08:27 PM |
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where did I say all? |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 08:38 PM |
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I didn't mean you said all since you didn't. The guidelines say all. |
uppityperson |
May-18-08 08:47 PM |
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ok, I guess I should have been clearer |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 08:49 PM |
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well, some research suggests genetic vulnerability to HIV infection.. |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 08:41 PM |
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That goes along the line of all Indians are alcoholics. I hadn't heard that research, would like to. |
uppityperson |
May-18-08 08:50 PM |
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didn't say they did. |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 08:35 PM |
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sigh |
fed_up_mother |
May-22-08 07:45 PM |
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Please see my reply (link) as I answer you there as well as here |
uppityperson |
May-18-08 08:29 PM |
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I never said all gay men practice penetration, or all AA men go to prison, or |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 08:37 PM |
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YOU didn't say all, but all are banned. |
uppityperson |
May-18-08 08:45 PM |
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I guess I should have clarified that I was not directly addressing the ban |
FarceOfNature |
May-18-08 08:48 PM |
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I can't give blood because I served our country in uniform... |
Orsino |
May-19-08 03:35 PM |
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That sucks, |
AspieGrrl |
May-21-08 04:11 PM |
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I also lived out of the country during that time and have been treated for cancer |
fed_up_mother |
May-22-08 07:47 PM |
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