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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 06:04 PM
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51. There is some amazing disingenuity in this thread.
Edited on Sun May-18-08 06:08 PM by FarceOfNature
First, regardless of homophobia and fear stigmas associated with this disease, some groups are at risk for infection by many many times more than other groups. The most obvious groups are gays and African Americans. I don't see anybody putting it out there but the fact of the matter is that gay men practice anal penetration, which is far riskier for transmission of STD's than (most) vaginal intercourse. This is because the tissue tears more easily, the anus is not equipped for natural lubrication as well as the vagina is. This is not homophobia, this is medical fact. In some HIV stricken regions in Africa, men desire "dry" vaginas and women will even pack herbs to achieve this. Again, this is not a moral evaluation that these groups are drastically higher risk for HIV transmission, it is medical fact. African Americans are incarcerated at astronomically higher rates. In prison, sexual contact occurs in a setting where condoms and lubrication are not only unavailable but often outright banned. As such, anal penetration is far riskier than it would have been with adequate lubrication and condom use and HIV transmissionrate skyrockets. Once again, not racist frothing but statements of medical fact.

I don't think posters have been truthful with themselves and others in this thread. There is a middle ground between insensitivity and walking on glass.

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  -I didn't give blood yesterday dsc  May-17-08 04:44 PM   #0 
  - sorry to ask this  maddezmom   May-17-08 04:49 PM   #1 
  - gays can't give blood  dsc   May-17-08 04:51 PM   #2 
     - I didn't know this  maddezmom   May-17-08 05:21 PM   #3 
        - they ask about being a prostitute, and having sex with a man who had sex with another man  dsc   May-17-08 05:30 PM   #5 
        - There are no questions on the donor questionaire regarding heterosexual practices  Der Blaue Engel   May-17-08 05:33 PM   #7 
           - I was asked  sandnsea   May-17-08 06:20 PM   #22 
  - I know how you feel. I had cancer 25 years ago, am completely  babylonsister   May-17-08 05:24 PM   #4 
  - thank god you are cured  dsc   May-17-08 05:31 PM   #6 
  - Thanks, dsc. I don't think anyone who has had cancer  babylonsister   May-17-08 05:35 PM   #10 
     - amazing  dsc   May-17-08 05:47 PM   #15 
  - A) Very glad to hear you're a survivor.  PeaceNikki   May-17-08 05:38 PM   #11 
     - I had chemo, so that leaves me out. But thanks for that; maybe it  babylonsister   May-17-08 05:53 PM   #18 
        - I run drives at work and one of my co-workers is fighting pancreatic cancer for 2nd time.  PeaceNikki   May-17-08 05:58 PM   #19 
  - lesbians can donate  galledgoblin   May-17-08 05:34 PM   #8 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-17-08 05:35 PM   #9 
  - You are giving a silly excuse  bamalib   May-17-08 05:39 PM   #12 
  - the people running the drive would know me to be a liar  dsc   May-17-08 05:45 PM   #13 
  - How nasty can you get? Your remarks are deplorable. You're not  babylonsister   May-17-08 05:46 PM   #14 
  - Sorry I think the OP is on a high horse and is using a blood drive to push an agenda.  bamalib   May-17-08 07:31 PM   #29 
     - that is absurd  dsc   May-17-08 07:38 PM   #31 
     - Get out of my LIFE.  baby_mouse   May-21-08 03:11 PM   #71 
     - Go to hell--from a multi-transfused recipient. I pray that more people will donate  blondeatlast   May-21-08 04:19 PM   #73 
  - Seems a lot of assumptions there, and passing judgement.  uppityperson   May-17-08 05:48 PM   #16 
  - It is sick to accuse someone of following offical policy of "letting others die"  hulklogan   May-17-08 06:18 PM   #21 
     - It may be outrageous but there is a way to avoid it.  bamalib   May-17-08 07:29 PM   #27 
        - presumedly the people running the drives you go to  dsc   May-17-08 07:31 PM   #28 
        - So you're willing to lie about something that may be a risk factor so you can donate blood  hulklogan   May-17-08 07:36 PM   #30 
        - You are confused because you don't know the process  bamalib   May-18-08 05:04 PM   #43 
           - actually that isn't entirely true  dsc   May-18-08 06:08 PM   #52 
           - My eating meat in this country would give me a better chance at madcow  bamalib   May-18-08 08:02 PM   #56 
              - Your point is actually a really good one.  hulklogan   May-18-08 08:21 PM   #57 
           - Tests and the people who administer them are not 100% perfect  fed_up_mother   May-21-08 05:50 PM   #74 
        - yes, because that's a BRILLIANT strategy  galledgoblin   May-17-08 07:40 PM   #32 
           - I agree.  PeaceNikki   May-17-08 07:41 PM   #33 
           - screened and clean  sandnsea   May-17-08 08:10 PM   #35 
           - me? no I can't guarantee that  galledgoblin   May-17-08 08:58 PM   #36 
              - Neat little tests and machines and equipment...  Dinkeldog   May-17-08 10:12 PM   #39 
           - All donated blood is tested and screened  bamalib   May-18-08 05:07 PM   #44 
              - of course I knew that, don't be silly  galledgoblin   May-18-08 05:42 PM   #49 
                 - It isn't just gay men  bamalib   May-18-08 07:54 PM   #55 
  - I don't give blood any more.  LWolf   May-17-08 05:51 PM   #17 
  - ## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   May-17-08 06:09 PM   #20 
  - or you might spread gay cooties!  LeftyMom   May-17-08 07:13 PM   #23 
     - To clarify, it's NOT the American Red Cross, it's the FDA  PeaceNikki   May-17-08 07:16 PM   #24 
        - Thanks. I'll edit. nt  LeftyMom   May-17-08 07:17 PM   #25 
           - ARC has been trying real hard to get them to lift it.  PeaceNikki   May-17-08 07:17 PM   #26 
  - 27 gallons here  Skittles   May-17-08 07:51 PM   #34 
  - Wow Skittles - that's a HUGH amount!  Godlesscommieprevert   May-18-08 05:13 PM   #46 
  - That's such a stupid policy.  Jamastiene   May-17-08 09:53 PM   #37 
  - fwiw, I think the policy is more about risk of lawsuit than medical risk.  pinto   May-17-08 10:05 PM   #38 
  - Here's the thinking. Generally, infection requires a vector and a source of infection.  pinto   May-17-08 10:17 PM   #40 
  - So, before you were out...  MoeHayNow   May-17-08 10:22 PM   #41 
  - of course I lied  dsc   May-18-08 06:27 AM   #42 
  - I used to donate - but after the BSE scare they don't want mine  Godlesscommieprevert   May-18-08 05:11 PM   #45 
  - If you want to donate just don't tell them that.  bamalib   May-18-08 05:21 PM   #47 
     - I don't think you can test for BSE  Godlesscommieprevert   May-18-08 05:28 PM   #48 
  - Just my opinion for what it's worth  Time for change   May-18-08 06:04 PM   #50 
  - There is some amazing disingenuity in this thread.  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 06:04 PM   #51 
  - even celebate gays  dsc   May-18-08 06:11 PM   #53 
  - I'm not defending the giving ban; I honestly think it's a pointless cruel ban  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 08:45 PM   #65 
  - Not all gay men practice anal penetration, you know  hulklogan   May-18-08 07:05 PM   #54 
  - Indeed. It is behavior, not orientation or skin color.  uppityperson   May-18-08 08:27 PM   #58 
  - where did I say all?  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 08:38 PM   #62 
  - I didn't mean you said all since you didn't. The guidelines say all.  uppityperson   May-18-08 08:47 PM   #66 
     - ok, I guess I should have been clearer  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 08:49 PM   #68 
  - well, some research suggests genetic vulnerability to HIV infection..  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 08:41 PM   #63 
     - That goes along the line of all Indians are alcoholics. I hadn't heard that research, would like to.  uppityperson   May-18-08 08:50 PM   #69 
  - didn't say they did.  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 08:35 PM   #60 
  - sigh  fed_up_mother   May-22-08 07:45 PM   #75 
  - Please see my reply (link) as I answer you there as well as here  uppityperson   May-18-08 08:29 PM   #59 
     - I never said all gay men practice penetration, or all AA men go to prison, or  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 08:37 PM   #61 
        - YOU didn't say all, but all are banned.  uppityperson   May-18-08 08:45 PM   #64 
           - I guess I should have clarified that I was not directly addressing the ban  FarceOfNature   May-18-08 08:48 PM   #67 
  - I can't give blood because I served our country in uniform...  Orsino   May-19-08 03:35 PM   #70 
  - That sucks,  AspieGrrl   May-21-08 04:11 PM   #72 
     - I also lived out of the country during that time and have been treated for cancer  fed_up_mother   May-22-08 07:47 PM   #76 

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