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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:50 PM
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35. The test was to drag a dead body on level ground.
NOT a floating body in the water. Now I do NOT want to down play want your daughter did, but it is technically easier then dragging the same body on the ground (Bodies float, so so much of the weight of the body is taken by the water, through getting the body out of the water is a difficult as moving the body on land).

Anyway, the test I referred to were intended to keep women OFF the Police Force by setting up a test women tended to fail. It as one of several test that relied on men's strength to be done, not skill or the ability to work as ab actual officer under actual conditions faced in the field.

Thus the fact some women can do what a man can do, undermines attempts to undermine woman's rights, but does not address the need for society to protect women's rights. The real problem is men setting the standard of equality on grounds set by men for men. Women often can not meet these standards which often had NO BARING on how people live within a society. How important is it for a woman Police officer to be able to pull her fellow Officer out of the line of fire, when that situation is so rare as NOT to even be in the book on Police Statistics? (Unlike lifeguards pulling people from swimming pools). Would the ability of a Woman to put her hands behind a gate to open a door without smashing it be of greater importance to the police (especially given it is easier for women to do that maneuver then it is for men with their larger and more powerful hands)? Would a woman, playing the rule of "mother" be a more effective way to reduce tensions than a man playing the rule of enforcer of the rules?

My point is women do NOT do things the same way as men do. This is both good and bad, but in most situations of equality the bad is emphasized and the good is ignored (or dismissed as a non-issue). As long as women seek to be equal to men, and permit men to define what equality is, you have a losing game for women.

While the Church has NOT been in the forefront of equality for women, it has been trying to address the issue (And in some people's opinion "very trying"). As I said above, the real test is NOT saying Women and Men should be treated equally, but when you look at both sexes and try to address the needs and demands of BOTH sexes equally. "Equal Rights" is more then treating both sexes the same, treating them the same undermines one or the other sex depending on what is called "being treated the same" (And generally disadvantage to women). Society has to treat each sex fairly, equal when possible, but protecting the weaker when equality is not possible.
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  -Attending church where female clergy is no-no: Why isn't this an issue? bunkerbuster1  May-12-08 09:05 AM   #0 
  - As I've said before, this country has come farther to overcome racism than sexism  electron_blue   May-12-08 09:13 AM   #1 
  - The Bible could be said to have some sexist tenets in it  hokies4ever   May-12-08 01:11 PM   #34 
     - The Bible definitely is written from a patriarchal point of view...  noel711   May-12-08 05:44 PM   #36 
     - You don't get to pick and choose, if you really follow the Bible.  Nabeshin   May-12-08 08:37 PM   #45 
     - Of course you do! What nonsense!  JerseygirlCT   May-12-08 08:45 PM   #48 
     - You can interpret it different ways...  Nabeshin   May-12-08 08:59 PM   #51 
        - No, no and no  JerseygirlCT   May-13-08 07:03 AM   #56 
     - Yes you do! You have to, or you'd get nowhere. The Bible is rife with inconsistencies  electron_blue   May-13-08 06:12 AM   #55 
     - Actually, I think the vast majority of Christians worldwide now  JerseygirlCT   May-13-08 07:04 AM   #57 
        - Yes, I think you're right.  electron_blue   May-13-08 10:42 AM   #59 
     - Your comments are curious since you don't believe it...  noel711   May-13-08 11:29 AM   #61 
     - Yup. That's what happens when the boys write the books...  JerseygirlCT   May-12-08 08:43 PM   #47 
     - That is a valid point.  Jamastiene   May-12-08 06:34 PM   #42 
     - Yes. The Bible didn't start sexism, but it has significantly helped to perpetuate it.  electron_blue   May-13-08 06:10 AM   #54 
  - Good questions  havocmom   May-12-08 09:14 AM   #2 
  - When you add it all up...  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 09:32 AM   #11 
     - In just the U.S.  michreject   May-12-08 12:26 PM   #27 
  - Too many people have a blind spot big enough  Warpy   May-12-08 09:15 AM   #3 
  - isn't SBC the sect that believes everyone else is going to hell  csziggy   May-12-08 09:19 AM   #4 
  - Aren't they all like that?  MountainLaurel   May-12-08 09:21 AM   #5 
  - Good one!  nathan hale   May-12-08 09:42 AM   #18 
  - I calls 'em like I see 'em  MountainLaurel   May-12-08 12:32 PM   #28 
  - No. nt  JerseygirlCT   May-12-08 08:45 PM   #49 
  - Not all denominations actively believe that they've got the only code-to-Jesus...  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 09:27 AM   #8 
  - Yes, it is discrimination, yes it is sexism  MadHound   May-12-08 09:22 AM   #6 
  - Why not just attend a church that suits you?  nathan hale   May-12-08 09:27 AM   #7 
  - I think that's a fair question for McCain.  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 09:30 AM   #9 
  - That wasn't the point of the OP  Fumesucker   May-12-08 09:34 AM   #14 
     - Now, that's a horse of a different color.  nathan hale   May-12-08 09:40 AM   # 
        - The politicians *make* it an issue..  Fumesucker   May-12-08 12:19 PM   #26 
           - Wait...  nathan hale   May-12-08 01:03 PM   #33 
              - You can't get elected without blabbing  Fumesucker   May-12-08 05:52 PM   #37 
  - If we just ignore the religious nuts maybe they'll go away.  crikkett   May-12-08 09:30 AM   #10 
  - But these aren't the "nuts."  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 09:34 AM   #13 
     - If it's "nuts" to think women shouldn't preach, then Roman Catholics are all "nuts."  crikkett   May-12-08 09:37 AM   #16 
        - You're assuming that all Catholics agree with the ban on women priests  dflprincess   May-12-08 12:58 PM   #32 
  - As a former Catholic..  RoadRage   May-12-08 09:33 AM   #12 
  - oops  crikkett   May-12-08 09:35 AM   #15 
  - eh, a kick is a kick  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 09:40 AM   #17 
  - Ya'll are pretty much playing into the RW hand.  nathan hale   May-12-08 09:47 AM   #19 
  - And that is what I want to avoid.  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 10:14 AM   #21 
     - I think you may have a valid point.  nathan hale   May-12-08 10:30 AM   #22 
  - While the Catholic Church prohibits women from being Priests, Nuns are a strong #2.  happyslug   May-12-08 09:47 AM   #20 
  - Good enough to teach and do chores, but not to lead the church  havocmom   May-12-08 10:33 AM   #23 
  - That is NOT want i meant, I was trying to show the Church is at least trying.  happyslug   May-12-08 12:08 PM   #25 
     - My daughter was a lifeguard at 17  Fumesucker   May-12-08 12:33 PM   #29 
     - Would we sit by and let any social/political entities get tax free status  havocmom   May-12-08 12:53 PM   #30 
     - The test was to drag a dead body on level ground.  happyslug   May-12-08 04:50 PM   #35 
        - A lifeguard has to get the body *out* of the water..  Fumesucker   May-12-08 06:29 PM   #41 
           - But the point of the Police test was to exclude women...  happyslug   May-12-08 07:14 PM   #44 
              - I'm not so sure that the test is invalid..  Fumesucker   May-12-08 08:53 PM   #50 
                 - It was one of many test, taken as a whole design to keep women off the force.  happyslug   May-12-08 09:45 PM   #52 
     - They'll change faster if more of us practiced what we preached  havocmom   May-12-08 12:54 PM   #31 
  - Thanks for the perspective.  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 10:49 AM   #24 
  - You're right.  Brigid   May-12-08 06:11 PM   #39 
  - A friend of mine does freelance leadership training  Rob H.   May-12-08 06:03 PM   #38 
  - In the typical Catholic parish,  Brigid   May-12-08 06:13 PM   #40 
  - Wow. That is sad.  bunkerbuster1   May-12-08 06:45 PM   #43 
  - I think he absolutely should be questioned about that  JerseygirlCT   May-12-08 08:41 PM   #46 
  - religion is "off-limits;" of course it shouldn't be. judeo-christianity is misogynistic from top to  VotesForWomen   May-12-08 09:48 PM   #53 
  - I'm catholic  mdmc   May-13-08 07:08 AM   #58 
  - Serious?  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-13-08 10:57 AM   #60 
 

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