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Mon May-12-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
| 35. The test was to drag a dead body on level ground. |
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NOT a floating body in the water. Now I do NOT want to down play want your daughter did, but it is technically easier then dragging the same body on the ground (Bodies float, so so much of the weight of the body is taken by the water, through getting the body out of the water is a difficult as moving the body on land).
Anyway, the test I referred to were intended to keep women OFF the Police Force by setting up a test women tended to fail. It as one of several test that relied on men's strength to be done, not skill or the ability to work as ab actual officer under actual conditions faced in the field.
Thus the fact some women can do what a man can do, undermines attempts to undermine woman's rights, but does not address the need for society to protect women's rights. The real problem is men setting the standard of equality on grounds set by men for men. Women often can not meet these standards which often had NO BARING on how people live within a society. How important is it for a woman Police officer to be able to pull her fellow Officer out of the line of fire, when that situation is so rare as NOT to even be in the book on Police Statistics? (Unlike lifeguards pulling people from swimming pools). Would the ability of a Woman to put her hands behind a gate to open a door without smashing it be of greater importance to the police (especially given it is easier for women to do that maneuver then it is for men with their larger and more powerful hands)? Would a woman, playing the rule of "mother" be a more effective way to reduce tensions than a man playing the rule of enforcer of the rules?
My point is women do NOT do things the same way as men do. This is both good and bad, but in most situations of equality the bad is emphasized and the good is ignored (or dismissed as a non-issue). As long as women seek to be equal to men, and permit men to define what equality is, you have a losing game for women.
While the Church has NOT been in the forefront of equality for women, it has been trying to address the issue (And in some people's opinion "very trying"). As I said above, the real test is NOT saying Women and Men should be treated equally, but when you look at both sexes and try to address the needs and demands of BOTH sexes equally. "Equal Rights" is more then treating both sexes the same, treating them the same undermines one or the other sex depending on what is called "being treated the same" (And generally disadvantage to women). Society has to treat each sex fairly, equal when possible, but protecting the weaker when equality is not possible.
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| -Attending church where female clergy is no-no: Why isn't this an issue? |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 09:05 AM |
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As I've said before, this country has come farther to overcome racism than sexism |
electron_blue |
May-12-08 09:13 AM |
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The Bible could be said to have some sexist tenets in it |
hokies4ever |
May-12-08 01:11 PM |
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The Bible definitely is written from a patriarchal point of view... |
noel711 |
May-12-08 05:44 PM |
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You don't get to pick and choose, if you really follow the Bible. |
Nabeshin |
May-12-08 08:37 PM |
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Of course you do! What nonsense! |
JerseygirlCT |
May-12-08 08:45 PM |
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You can interpret it different ways... |
Nabeshin |
May-12-08 08:59 PM |
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No, no and no |
JerseygirlCT |
May-13-08 07:03 AM |
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Yes you do! You have to, or you'd get nowhere. The Bible is rife with inconsistencies |
electron_blue |
May-13-08 06:12 AM |
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Actually, I think the vast majority of Christians worldwide now |
JerseygirlCT |
May-13-08 07:04 AM |
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Yes, I think you're right. |
electron_blue |
May-13-08 10:42 AM |
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Your comments are curious since you don't believe it... |
noel711 |
May-13-08 11:29 AM |
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Yup. That's what happens when the boys write the books... |
JerseygirlCT |
May-12-08 08:43 PM |
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That is a valid point. |
Jamastiene |
May-12-08 06:34 PM |
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Yes. The Bible didn't start sexism, but it has significantly helped to perpetuate it. |
electron_blue |
May-13-08 06:10 AM |
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Good questions |
havocmom |
May-12-08 09:14 AM |
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When you add it all up... |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 09:32 AM |
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In just the U.S. |
michreject |
May-12-08 12:26 PM |
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Too many people have a blind spot big enough |
Warpy |
May-12-08 09:15 AM |
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isn't SBC the sect that believes everyone else is going to hell |
csziggy |
May-12-08 09:19 AM |
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Aren't they all like that? |
MountainLaurel |
May-12-08 09:21 AM |
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Good one! |
nathan hale |
May-12-08 09:42 AM |
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I calls 'em like I see 'em |
MountainLaurel |
May-12-08 12:32 PM |
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No. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
May-12-08 08:45 PM |
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Not all denominations actively believe that they've got the only code-to-Jesus... |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 09:27 AM |
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Yes, it is discrimination, yes it is sexism |
MadHound |
May-12-08 09:22 AM |
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Why not just attend a church that suits you? |
nathan hale |
May-12-08 09:27 AM |
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I think that's a fair question for McCain. |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 09:30 AM |
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That wasn't the point of the OP |
Fumesucker |
May-12-08 09:34 AM |
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Now, that's a horse of a different color. |
nathan hale |
May-12-08 09:40 AM |
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The politicians *make* it an issue.. |
Fumesucker |
May-12-08 12:19 PM |
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Wait... |
nathan hale |
May-12-08 01:03 PM |
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You can't get elected without blabbing |
Fumesucker |
May-12-08 05:52 PM |
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If we just ignore the religious nuts maybe they'll go away. |
crikkett |
May-12-08 09:30 AM |
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But these aren't the "nuts." |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 09:34 AM |
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If it's "nuts" to think women shouldn't preach, then Roman Catholics are all "nuts." |
crikkett |
May-12-08 09:37 AM |
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You're assuming that all Catholics agree with the ban on women priests |
dflprincess |
May-12-08 12:58 PM |
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As a former Catholic.. |
RoadRage |
May-12-08 09:33 AM |
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oops |
crikkett |
May-12-08 09:35 AM |
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eh, a kick is a kick |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 09:40 AM |
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Ya'll are pretty much playing into the RW hand. |
nathan hale |
May-12-08 09:47 AM |
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And that is what I want to avoid. |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 10:14 AM |
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I think you may have a valid point. |
nathan hale |
May-12-08 10:30 AM |
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While the Catholic Church prohibits women from being Priests, Nuns are a strong #2. |
happyslug |
May-12-08 09:47 AM |
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Good enough to teach and do chores, but not to lead the church |
havocmom |
May-12-08 10:33 AM |
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That is NOT want i meant, I was trying to show the Church is at least trying. |
happyslug |
May-12-08 12:08 PM |
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My daughter was a lifeguard at 17 |
Fumesucker |
May-12-08 12:33 PM |
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Would we sit by and let any social/political entities get tax free status |
havocmom |
May-12-08 12:53 PM |
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The test was to drag a dead body on level ground. |
happyslug |
May-12-08 04:50 PM |
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A lifeguard has to get the body *out* of the water.. |
Fumesucker |
May-12-08 06:29 PM |
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But the point of the Police test was to exclude women... |
happyslug |
May-12-08 07:14 PM |
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I'm not so sure that the test is invalid.. |
Fumesucker |
May-12-08 08:53 PM |
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It was one of many test, taken as a whole design to keep women off the force. |
happyslug |
May-12-08 09:45 PM |
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They'll change faster if more of us practiced what we preached |
havocmom |
May-12-08 12:54 PM |
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Thanks for the perspective. |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 10:49 AM |
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You're right. |
Brigid |
May-12-08 06:11 PM |
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A friend of mine does freelance leadership training |
Rob H. |
May-12-08 06:03 PM |
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In the typical Catholic parish, |
Brigid |
May-12-08 06:13 PM |
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Wow. That is sad. |
bunkerbuster1 |
May-12-08 06:45 PM |
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I think he absolutely should be questioned about that |
JerseygirlCT |
May-12-08 08:41 PM |
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religion is "off-limits;" of course it shouldn't be. judeo-christianity is misogynistic from top to |
VotesForWomen |
May-12-08 09:48 PM |
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I'm catholic |
mdmc |
May-13-08 07:08 AM |
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Serious? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-13-08 10:57 AM |
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