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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:46 AM
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60. Engineering school was a snap compared to nursing school
and we had a lot of older students going into second careers in my class who said the same thing about their earlier college experience. The theory is that if you can survive nursing/medical school, you can survive anything.

It's only in the real world that you realize that hospitals are too stingy to provide assistive equipment and believe any 120 pound nurse can easily lift a 300 pound patient with "good body mechanics." It's only in the real world that you confront administrative policies that say management can force you to work extra 12 hour shifts any old time at their convenience, and that you need to kiss your personal life goodbye because there is no way to plan anything, even a trip to a public park with a picnic basket. It's only in the real world that you confront the reality of assault on the job and management that frowns on any nurse who presses charges against a patient or his/her family because of the bad publicity--hey, you're covered by workman's comp, what's the big deal?

It's only in the real world that has you dragging booty after the fifth 12 hour shift in the row that had you wishing for roller skates that gets you called into some suit's office for a stern lecture on doing more with less.

The whole system is broken, top to bottom, because no one is taken care of, from housekeeping staff to patients through specialist physicians, in the rush to contain costs to maximize PROFIT.
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  -Is the medical field understaffed? HypnoToad  May-11-08 06:33 PM   #0 
  - We Have Far Fewer Doctors Per Capita Than Other Industrialized Countries  MannyGoldstein   May-11-08 06:36 PM   #1 
  - !  HypnoToad   May-11-08 06:38 PM   #3 
     - It's Always The Money. Always. [nt]  MannyGoldstein   May-11-08 07:11 PM   #11 
  - More accurate to say the they are poorly distributed  supernova   May-11-08 06:38 PM   #2 
  - It's just another aristocracy  Goodnevil   May-11-08 06:43 PM   #6 
     - Should they become civil service employees?  Thothmes   May-12-08 06:51 AM   #48 
        - That's what they are in the UK  supernova   May-12-08 07:41 AM   #51 
  - Half the RNs in this country have left the practice  Warpy   May-11-08 06:40 PM   #4 
  - that's SUCH a good point. one of the things i came away with from Sicko was that  nashville_brook   May-11-08 07:43 PM   #18 
  - You are so Right!  lib2DaBone   May-11-08 09:19 PM   #24 
  - You are so right. We get sick of being chewed up and spit out  Ilsa   May-11-08 09:40 PM   #26 
  - The facility I worked at went for "magnet status"  rainbow4321   May-11-08 10:07 PM   #33 
  - Brutal is right  Horse with no Name   May-11-08 11:39 PM   #39 
  - Nurses associations have heavily fought the use of paramedics in the ERs.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-11-08 11:41 PM   #40 
  - Paramedics absolutely serve their purpose  Horse with no Name   May-11-08 11:52 PM   #43 
  - I totally agree--hospital admins are fighting for it to cut costs, not for patient safety.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:11 AM   #62 
  - I'm not talking about taking RNs out of the ER.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-12-08 10:31 AM   #70 
     - YOU aren't talking about replacing them  Horse with no Name   May-12-08 01:35 PM   #77 
     - Just so we are on the same sheet of music.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-12-08 02:07 PM   #78 
        - In the hospital they operate under the RN  Horse with no Name   May-12-08 02:13 PM   #79 
           - That's odd.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-12-08 02:56 PM   #81 
              - They work under a nurses supervision  Horse with no Name   May-12-08 03:06 PM   #82 
                 - I agree with you on supervision.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-12-08 07:13 PM   #85 
                 - I was about to say that.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 08:43 PM   #87 
     - I'd worry that the hospital would use it as another excuse to understaff, though.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 08:45 PM   #88 
  - I agree they can't replace RNs.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-12-08 10:27 AM   #69 
  - Paramedics are trained to respond to emergency situations  Warpy   May-12-08 08:32 AM   #59 
     - See above comments.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-12-08 10:33 AM   #71 
     - One more thing  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-12-08 10:38 AM   #73 
  - May I suggest you start a thread on this? It might be of help to some  raccoon   May-12-08 08:05 AM   #54 
     - I would never discourage anyone from going into the field  Warpy   May-12-08 08:25 AM   #57 
        - I don't mean necessarily to discourage anyone, but to make them aware of the realities  raccoon   May-12-08 08:27 AM   #58 
  - Very understaffed...  CherokeeDem   May-11-08 06:41 PM   #5 
  - I think more federal funding  Goodnevil   May-11-08 06:45 PM   #7 
     - Agreed  FloridaJudy   May-11-08 07:23 PM   #14 
  - My Mom's been in the hospital for over a month.  onehandle   May-11-08 06:46 PM   #8 
  - Only ten minutes to get a nurse in Long Term Care?  quantessd   May-11-08 09:58 PM   #32 
  - If you choke to death in the first three minutes... not so good. nt  onehandle   May-11-08 10:54 PM   #34 
     - Or in my experience  Horse with no Name   May-11-08 11:46 PM   #42 
     - To be clear, I worked in LongTerm Care as a Speech-Lang / Swallowing Pathologist..  quantessd   May-12-08 03:13 AM   #46 
  - LTAC's are understaffed basically ON PURPOSE  Horse with no Name   May-11-08 11:45 PM   #41 
  - My brother is an independent family practitioner, in a small town in WV.  MH1   May-11-08 06:58 PM   #9 
  - "I don't wonder any more why more good people don't become family doctors."  OhioChick   May-11-08 07:14 PM   #12 
  - Give him a hug from me.  knitter4democracy   May-11-08 09:14 PM   #23 
     - Next time I see him, I will!  MH1   May-12-08 11:45 AM   #74 
        - It's a hard, hard thing to deal with.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 08:52 PM   #91 
  - The more specialized the doctor ...  canis_lupus   May-11-08 07:00 PM   #10 
  - my wife works at a large public/private funded  madrchsod   May-11-08 07:23 PM   #13 
  - This is physically and emotionally difficult work for $10 an hour.  Ilsa   May-11-08 09:48 PM   # 
  - This is physically and emotionally difficult work for $10 an hour.  Ilsa   May-11-08 09:48 PM   #29 
  - I'm going back to school later this year to train for a health care job  rox63   May-11-08 07:31 PM   #15 
  - Look into California College if you haven't already  Horse with no Name   May-11-08 11:56 PM   #44 
     - I live across the country from there  rox63   May-12-08 06:29 AM   #47 
        - It's a correspondence school  Horse with no Name   May-12-08 12:00 PM   #75 
  - Medical school admissions  LiberalEsto   May-11-08 07:33 PM   #16 
  - Could have them advertising like attorneys, no such restrictions on law school  RGBolen   May-11-08 08:48 PM   #20 
  - Or too many quacks killing people.  knitter4democracy   May-11-08 09:13 PM   #22 
     - True  LiberalEsto   May-12-08 07:39 AM   #50 
        - And vet school is tough. Damn tough.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:13 AM   #63 
  - Even if there was a flood of people wanting to enter nursing  rainbow4321   May-11-08 07:37 PM   #17 
  - And alot of people don't realize that the nurse instructors' licenses  Ilsa   May-11-08 09:44 PM   #28 
  - Yeah there is a shortage  Juche   May-11-08 07:52 PM   #19 
  - Yes, we have a shortage for many reasons.  knitter4democracy   May-11-08 09:11 PM   #21 
  - Your post scares me....  OhioChick   May-11-08 11:16 PM   #35 
     - Have him do some shadowing.  knitter4democracy   May-11-08 11:36 PM   #37 
        - Thanks for your response  OhioChick   May-12-08 07:09 AM   #49 
           - Those years actually could be an asset.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:09 AM   #61 
              - Thank you so much for your offer.  OhioChick   May-12-08 12:07 PM   #76 
                 - Well, if my MIL didn't live there . . .  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 08:47 PM   #89 
  - Other viable fields.  Xap   May-11-08 09:22 PM   #25 
  - Interesting Topic  Renaissance Man   May-11-08 09:41 PM   #27 
  - Same thing for nursing school on amount of material. I couldn't believe  Ilsa   May-11-08 09:53 PM   #30 
     - Engineering school was a snap compared to nursing school  Warpy   May-12-08 08:46 AM   #60 
        - That's exactly the problem--it's based on the market system.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:16 AM   #64 
  - I have a friend was at the peak of her career as an MD, specialist,  Ilsa   May-11-08 09:55 PM   #31 
  - That story's pretty common, unfortunately.  knitter4democracy   May-11-08 11:38 PM   #38 
  - Burnout occurs in every field  taught_me_patience   May-12-08 12:03 AM   #45 
     - Actually untrue  Oak2004   May-12-08 04:02 PM   #84 
  - yes  lovuian   May-11-08 11:18 PM   #36 
  - They must be.  Jamastiene   May-12-08 07:55 AM   #52 
  - There are a hell of a lot more people qualified for med school than there are in med school  ThomWV   May-12-08 08:00 AM   #53 
  - I've known people who got in after trying several times.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:22 AM   #66 
  - In the Imaging aspect of it all- there's more technologists then  mrigirl   May-12-08 08:19 AM   #55 
  - Really? We're hiring in Michigan.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:18 AM   #65 
  - Knitter4Dem- It varies in different parts of the country. When I first graduated  mrigirl   May-12-08 09:31 AM   #67 
     - Ahh. That does sound crazy.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 08:41 PM   #86 
        - On behalf of my fellow colleagues out there providing exceptional patient care-  mrigirl   May-12-08 08:55 PM   #92 
           - Good for you, then!  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:10 PM   #95 
  - Texas is in dire need of Rad Techs too  Horse with no Name   May-12-08 02:33 PM   #80 
  - this is a big time issue  melm00se   May-12-08 08:25 AM   #56 
  - I'm always struck by how many people there are  spinbaby   May-12-08 09:43 AM   #68 
  - Amen to all of that.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 08:49 PM   #90 
  - Wasn't it like 30% of ALL healthcare costs  Horse with no Name   May-12-08 09:10 PM   #94 
     - I believe it.  knitter4democracy   May-12-08 09:12 PM   #96 
  - See insurance companies and medicare for the  cornermouse   May-12-08 09:07 PM   #93 
  - healthcare in this country happens despite, not because of,  leftofthedial   May-12-08 10:37 AM   #72 
  - Yes. And it's only getting worse.  NC_Nurse   May-12-08 03:22 PM   #83 
  - we have plenty of doctors... not enough nurses..  crimsonblue   May-12-08 09:19 PM   #97 

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