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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:18 AM
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59. There was a time..
... when I would have welcomed the nomination for 2 reasons.

1) I thought she could win

2) It would be a sharp stick in the eye to a bunch of Republicans.


But now, I don't think she can win, and I no longer trust her after watching her waste time on pandering bullshit while toeing the Republican line on Iraq. Yes, for those with short memories she didn't get remotely serious about opposing the war until the polls showed the public had lost all faith in it.

That's perfectly in character for her, and exactly what we do not need in a leader.
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  -When did Hillary lose your support or did she ever have it at all? Mortos  Jan-24-07 08:06 PM   #0 
  - It's her voting record in the Senate  WestHoustonDem   Jan-24-07 08:07 PM   #1 
  - Same here. n/t  jrthin   Jan-24-07 08:13 PM   #8 
  - She did NOT vote for the bankruptcy bill  LostinVA   Jan-24-07 08:18 PM   #14 
  - "The 2 income trap"  thoughtanarchist   Jan-24-07 08:27 PM   #22 
  - "Two Income Trap" is by Elizabeth Warren and Amelia Warren Tyagi.  BlueIris   Jan-25-07 06:28 AM   #62 
  - she voted for the 2001 bill, along with 81 other Senators  paulk   Jan-25-07 08:07 PM   #145 
  - That would be S-256.  HughBeaumont   Jan-25-07 06:27 AM   #61 
  - It was the follow-up to remove the scar tissue and was described at the time as  greyhound1966   Jan-25-07 12:22 PM   #125 
  - me, too. Too much for corporate globalism--spells trouble to me.nt  Indiana_Dem   Jan-24-07 08:20 PM   # 
  - Agreed  OhioChick   Jan-25-07 06:12 AM   #58 
     - Ding ding ding ding!!  OnionPatch   Jan-25-07 07:32 AM   #77 
  - The day she voted for IWR  indepat   Jan-25-07 09:10 AM   #93 
  - Her YES on the IWR---  RiverStone   Jan-25-07 06:59 PM   #141 
  - I like Hillary and thought she was a great First Lady  WI_DEM   Jan-24-07 08:08 PM   #2 
  - If I lived in New York, I'd support her as senator, but, because I live  Clark2008   Jan-24-07 08:08 PM   #3 
  - Never had it.  MrSlayer   Jan-24-07 08:09 PM   #4 
  - same here  TheModernTerrorist   Jan-25-07 12:49 PM   #134 
  - She's a great NY State Senator but she never has had my support as Presidential  ShortnFiery   Jan-24-07 08:10 PM   #5 
  - I second your post!  Ignacio Upton   Jan-25-07 08:10 PM   #147 
  - Omigod! What a horrible scenario!  _dynamicdems   Jan-25-07 08:32 PM   #150 
  - "her annoying laugh" yup. Not the kind of person you'd like to have a beer with.  oasis   Jan-24-07 08:12 PM   #6 
  - ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU . N/T  Alamom   Jan-25-07 05:31 AM   #54 
  - I Support Her Just Fine.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jan-24-07 08:12 PM   #7 
  - Your wife would vote for McCain  lancdem   Jan-24-07 08:13 PM   #9 
  - Yeah DU has ZERO correlation to the rest of the Democratic Party.  ShortnFiery   Jan-24-07 08:18 PM   #13 
  - As a Liberal, I think that the DU correlation with the rest of the Democratic  elocs   Jan-24-07 08:53 PM   #28 
     - Oh please, I'm am a humble servant. Nothing self-righteous about me.  ShortnFiery   Jan-24-07 09:00 PM   #30 
        - Maybe not you, but I have seen many self righteous Liberals here.  elocs   Jan-24-07 09:52 PM   #41 
           - I get your point ... but IMO they are not "liberal" if they are not TOLERANT  ShortnFiery   Jan-24-07 11:49 PM   #46 
           - There are my posts I won't comment on because of that.  Marrah_G   Jan-25-07 10:47 AM   #113 
  - No my wife wouldn't vote for McCain  Mortos   Jan-24-07 08:19 PM   #16 
  - My husband who loves the thought of Hillary as President  ShortnFiery   Jan-24-07 08:23 PM   #20 
  - Since primaries are on a state by state basis  OKNancy   Jan-25-07 06:40 AM   #64 
  - My husband - a classic New England liberal - told me if it  Clark2008   Jan-24-07 08:46 PM   #26 
  - The world can go to hell just don't rub me the wrong way.  Lusted4   Jan-24-07 09:51 PM   #40 
  - and look how popular Dean is now. We're just a year ahead of the crowd  burythehatchet   Jan-24-07 09:41 PM   #37 
     - Yes, because he's not an equivocating Centrist.  WinkyDink   Jan-25-07 08:00 AM   #86 
  - Yes, during the Clinton years, when times were good. Then, some  davidwparker   Jan-24-07 08:15 PM   #10 
  - She never had it  Nicole   Jan-24-07 08:15 PM   #11 
  - Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-24-07 08:16 PM   #12 
  - b - i - n - g - o  motocicleta   Jan-25-07 06:54 AM   #68 
  - That vote eliminates a number of Senators; including Kerry.  HoneyBee   Jan-25-07 07:00 AM   #70 
  - Yes.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-25-07 09:19 AM   #97 
  - Her support for IWR lost me as well  ItsTheMediaStupid   Jan-25-07 07:27 AM   #75 
  - Blah, blah, blah. . . n/t  DURHAM D   Jan-24-07 08:19 PM   #15 
  - I would vote for her in a New York minute  LostinVA   Jan-24-07 08:20 PM   #17 
  - Hillary is a great Democrat...she would be a better President than any Pub...dats for sure  opihimoimoi   Jan-24-07 08:20 PM   #18 
  - Who wouldn't be?  WinkyDink   Jan-25-07 08:00 AM   #87 
  - I am just tired of her - her studied calculations  elfin   Jan-24-07 08:20 PM   #19 
  - Bill Clinton did the same reaching out to enemies...  cynatnite   Jan-25-07 10:11 AM   #108 
  - It's a quirk of mine.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Jan-24-07 08:27 PM   #21 
  - I supported her and Bill passionately throughout his term and after. I believed  blm   Jan-24-07 08:33 PM   #23 
  - Strange as it sounds, I know a lot of other women who share  WiseButAngrySara   Jan-24-07 08:34 PM   #24 
  - I've never thought she was viable as a presidential candidate.  Crunchy Frog   Jan-24-07 08:46 PM   #25 
  - She hasn't lost my support, but she did disappoint me.  lonestarnot   Jan-24-07 08:48 PM   #27 
  - Hillary lost it when Barack Obama came into play...  Imagevision   Jan-24-07 08:58 PM   #29 
  - She and her husband have spent years NOT  Generator   Jan-24-07 09:00 PM   #31 
  - She's a "Stand In" for Bill and his "Second Chance Presidency"  KoKo01   Jan-24-07 09:02 PM   #32 
  - What KoKo01 said.  ieoeja   Jan-25-07 12:37 PM   #131 
  - When she joined the rovian smear against Kerry just before the 06 elections...  MH1   Jan-24-07 09:04 PM   #33 
  - Ding ding ding.  BlueIris   Jan-25-07 06:30 AM   #63 
  - ...IS RIGHT!!!...and here's your NEW Frigidaire!!!  farmbo   Jan-25-07 07:38 AM   #79 
  - Absolutely, absolutely.  Blue_In_AK   Jan-25-07 12:33 PM   #128 
  - Didn't have it at all!  tnlefty   Jan-24-07 09:26 PM   #34 
  - I WILL NOT SUPPORT THESE FAMILY DYNASTY'S..I AM SICK OF IT  flyarm   Jan-24-07 09:38 PM   #35 
  - Agreed. No family dynasties.  Porcupine   Jan-25-07 05:53 AM   #56 
  - I can't say I'm categorically against family dynasties,  Raksha   Jan-25-07 06:50 AM   #66 
     - Ditto.  Nedsdag   Jan-25-07 09:12 AM   #94 
  - That's silly. What if..  sellitman   Jan-25-07 07:09 AM   #71 
  - The last Kennedy in the white house was over 40 years ago.  _dynamicdems   Jan-25-07 08:41 PM   #151 
  - Totally agree with you. Not good for democracy, not at all.  WA98296   Jan-25-07 12:18 PM   #122 
  - I like her and support her...  cynatnite   Jan-24-07 09:41 PM   #36 
  - You don't care about the IWR and bankruptcy bill votes? n/t  motocicleta   Jan-25-07 06:58 AM   #69 
     - The IWR vote is done and over...can't be undone...  cynatnite   Jan-25-07 10:14 AM   #109 
        - That's cool  motocicleta   Jan-25-07 11:52 AM   #114 
  - I like her better than Bill, but she lost my support over the Middle East.  Buck Rabbit   Jan-24-07 09:42 PM   #38 
  - Never had it  mitchum   Jan-24-07 09:47 PM   #39 
  - After attacking Kerry for his botched joke -- that was inexcusable.  BushDespiser12   Jan-24-07 09:53 PM   #42 
  - She lost it when  Raine   Jan-24-07 10:02 PM   #43 
  - During her campaign the first time for senator, only one radio station gave  no_hypocrisy   Jan-24-07 10:50 PM   #44 
  - She was against this bankruptcy bill and convinced Bill to veto it.  Robbien   Jan-24-07 10:53 PM   #45 
  - I have this tendency to swim against the tide.  AtomicKitten   Jan-25-07 01:23 AM   #47 
  - She lost me with the Iraq War.  impeachdubya   Jan-25-07 01:31 AM   #48 
  - I'm apathetic. It's a trust thing, for me. Actually, I trust her husband more.  Tatiana   Jan-25-07 02:30 AM   #49 
  - She lost me when she voted to allow Chucklenuts permission to invade  B Calm   Jan-25-07 05:09 AM   #50 
  - Haven't and won't. I don't believe in dynasties.  IdaBriggs   Jan-25-07 05:13 AM   #51 
  - Health-care reform hearings  GreenZoneLT   Jan-25-07 05:18 AM   #52 
  - The perfect populist issue, carefully stripped of anything which might improve the population  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-25-07 12:53 PM   #135 
  - The only reason I voted for her in NYS was because the Green Candidate  bluetrain   Jan-25-07 05:28 AM   #53 
  - She has my vote any day of the week and I am sorry to report,  Alamom   Jan-25-07 05:38 AM   #55 
  - She never had my support--despite the appeal of Bill Clinton as "First Husband"  bklyncowgirl   Jan-25-07 06:00 AM   #57 
  - There was a time..  sendero   Jan-25-07 06:18 AM   #59 
  - This has been the evolution of my thinking about her as well, and  Skidmore   Jan-25-07 06:24 AM   #60 
  - She's boring and she's bought. She lost my support when I figured out that  w4rma   Jan-25-07 06:43 AM   #65 
  - I saw a snippet of Hillary yesterday that summarized it all for me  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jan-25-07 06:50 AM   #67 
  - Never really was a fan of hers  Az   Jan-25-07 07:11 AM   #72 
  - feels like a scam especially with mcaullife involved  natrat   Jan-25-07 07:22 AM   #73 
  - Three letters.  mmonk   Jan-25-07 07:25 AM   #74 
  - Ditto!  notsodumbhillbilly   Jan-25-07 11:57 AM   #116 
  - Hillary had $500 of our support in 2000.  Tesha   Jan-25-07 07:27 AM   #76 
  - cant stand her...she is in the way of change for America but shes got the $$$...  xiamiam   Jan-25-07 07:38 AM   #78 
  - The money is coming from pharmaceuticals. That does the people NO GOOD.  WA98296   Jan-25-07 12:16 PM   #121 
  - When she voted for the IWR. I vowed not to vote for her again. I didn't this  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jan-25-07 07:39 AM   #80 
  - It's the economy, stupids!  Lord Byron   Jan-25-07 07:45 AM   #81 
  - I don't dislike HRC, but  tenshi816   Jan-25-07 07:51 AM   #82 
  - When she shut out the health-care community...  Everybody   Jan-25-07 07:55 AM   #83 
  - That was it for me as well  eridani   Jan-25-07 09:16 AM   #95 
  - When she voted FOR the IRW.  OregonBlue   Jan-25-07 07:58 AM   #84 
  - I simply do not believe the majority of Americans will vote for a woman,  WinkyDink   Jan-25-07 07:58 AM   #85 
  - She never had my support .  Cobalt Violet   Jan-25-07 08:15 AM   #88 
  - IWR.  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Jan-25-07 08:20 AM   #89 
  - A lot of people won't appreciate hearing this, but here goes...  Skinner   Jan-25-07 08:21 AM   #90 
  - You can't be in favor of NAFTA and still be a lefty  eridani   Jan-25-07 09:18 AM   #96 
  - Yup! A democrat for Nafta is a Repuke in spirit, Nuf said.  8643   Jan-25-07 09:26 AM   #101 
  - I think she's held to a higher standard because her last name is Clinton  BullGooseLoony   Jan-25-07 10:26 AM   #111 
  - I think you are on to something there...  SaveElmer   Jan-25-07 12:03 PM   #118 
  - Ya know I never thought of it in those terms.  rinsd   Jan-25-07 12:21 PM   #124 
  - I don't hold her to a higher standard - I just don't think she can win  Laurab   Jan-25-07 12:58 PM   #136 
  - What you say is true...but adding that in "hindsight" Clinton's Presidency  KoKo01   Jan-25-07 07:44 PM   #144 
  - i didnt want a second bush, i REALLY dont want a second clinton  seabeyond   Jan-25-07 08:31 AM   #91 
  - I just can't re-live all the Clinton bashing  dist22dem   Jan-25-07 08:36 AM   #92 
  - I think Richardson has a better chance. H has too much baggage!  8643   Jan-25-07 09:20 AM   #98 
  - priorities:  rman   Jan-25-07 09:20 AM   #99 
  - When she started being a big fake, like so many politicians.  gauguin57   Jan-25-07 09:23 AM   #100 
  - I am amazed that it's h appening to me too!  blossomstar   Jan-25-07 09:43 AM   #102 
  - I have "Clinton Fatigue."  Ilsa   Jan-25-07 09:53 AM   #103 
  - when she came to boston and got aLL buddy buddy with  sniffa   Jan-25-07 09:53 AM   #104 
  - I like her more than Obama, anyway, if that means anything n/t  confludemocrat   Jan-25-07 09:59 AM   #105 
  - The proposed flag-burning amendment.  SmokingJacket   Jan-25-07 10:03 AM   #106 
  - After reading "Best Democracy Money Can Buy", although I was a very weak supporter of her  mod mom   Jan-25-07 10:07 AM   #107 
  - She can't win.  DefenseLawyer   Jan-25-07 10:19 AM   #110 
  - Her voting record is appalling for a Dem  Old Broad   Jan-25-07 10:35 AM   #112 
  - Here's her record  etherealtruth   Jan-25-07 11:57 AM   #115 
  - I LOVED Hillary Clinton BEFORE she voted for the IWR. After that, she lost me.  in_cog_ni_to   Jan-25-07 12:03 PM   #117 
  - I agree with almost everything you said/think. Except, I can no longer  WA98296   Jan-25-07 12:11 PM   #119 
  - The Digital Millennium Copyright Act - The Clintons are both Corporate Stooges  bushmeat   Jan-25-07 12:13 PM   #120 
  - She hasn't lost anything from me.  rinsd   Jan-25-07 12:19 PM   #123 
  - I am fundamentally against "legacy" elections. (no matter the party)  SoCalDem   Jan-25-07 12:22 PM   #126 
  - I never warmed to Hillary as much as I did Bill,  Blue_In_AK   Jan-25-07 12:23 PM   #127 
  - She's not much different than Mr Clinton  djohnson   Jan-25-07 12:34 PM   #129 
  - video games.  Bornaginhooligan   Jan-25-07 12:35 PM   #130 
  - Agree with your wife  marlakay   Jan-25-07 12:38 PM   #132 
  - Hilary reminds me of the "Good German" exposed as a myth by  coalition_unwilling   Jan-25-07 12:42 PM   #133 
  - It's just not all about her. Yet, this administration is trying to frame it as if it is.  porphyrian   Jan-25-07 01:00 PM   #137 
  - The final shoe dropped when she bashed Kerry the day after he 'botched' the joke.  Diane R   Jan-25-07 01:50 PM   #138 
  - She never had it at all. I find it extremely strange to consider the...  Poll_Blind   Jan-25-07 01:56 PM   #139 
  - There are a few reasons...  DarkTirade   Jan-25-07 06:38 PM   #140 
  - C'MON PEOPLE. IF SHE RUNS WE'LL VOTE FOR HER!!!  CTyankee   Jan-25-07 07:14 PM   #142 
  - I voted for her in 2000,  SethInUpstateNY   Jan-25-07 07:34 PM   #143 
  - She bends in the wind, as the political winds blow ....  Oregonian   Jan-25-07 08:09 PM   #146 
  - It's not patriotic to blindly follow a leader who lies us into war, it's treasonous!  B Calm   Jan-25-07 08:11 PM   #148 
  - Never had it. Never will.  _dynamicdems   Jan-25-07 08:26 PM   #149 
  - DLC  Califooyah Operative   Jan-25-07 11:53 PM   #152 
  - vote for war, voting record in general and her waffling.  roguevalley   Jan-26-07 12:34 AM   #153 
 

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