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49. The 149 million members of the catholic church there perhaps? A pattern emerges.
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  -Don't let the dresses fool you. The FLDS wives aren't Caroline Ingalls, they're pnwmom  May-03-08 11:26 AM   #0 
  - I will admit to not having followed this story...  adsosletter   May-03-08 11:33 AM   #1 
  - This is something that has been testified to by many ex cult members,  pnwmom   May-03-08 11:38 AM   #3 
  - well then...  adsosletter   May-03-08 11:41 AM   #6 
     - Here's more, from Carolyn Jessop. Brace yourself.  pnwmom   May-03-08 11:57 AM   #9 
        - Horrific, it makes me sick  OzarkDem   May-03-08 12:11 PM   #12 
  - This week TX authorities reported that there was an unusually  kestrel91316   May-03-08 12:23 PM   #17 
     - And these might be only the tip of the iceberg, since they were  pnwmom   May-03-08 01:22 PM   #26 
  - I'm so glad Texas had the courage to go in there  ayeshahaqqiqa   May-03-08 11:36 AM   #2 
  - Unfortunately, Texas is only the tip of the iceberg for these people.  pnwmom   May-03-08 11:39 AM   #4 
  - Is this all speculation or....  shrdlu   May-03-08 11:40 AM   #5 
  - Nothing I've said is rocket science or requires a knowledge of anything  pnwmom   May-03-08 11:52 AM   #7 
  - I do (have background) and the OP is spot on.  Rosemary2205   May-03-08 12:01 PM   #10 
  - 25 years as an emergency foster parent? Rosemary, you deserve  pnwmom   May-03-08 12:17 PM   #15 
  - I miss it.  Rosemary2205   May-03-08 07:27 PM   #85 
  - I admire you for your work as an emergency foster parent  NNN0LHI   May-03-08 04:30 PM   #70 
  - You are a REAL American hero. nt  sudopod   May-03-08 05:42 PM   #80 
  - Read Jon Krakauer's book "Under the Banner of Heaven"  OzarkDem   May-03-08 12:14 PM   #14 
  - a very disturbing book....  dhill926   May-03-08 12:49 PM   #20 
  - It's all been reported in the news and is factual.  kestrel91316   May-03-08 12:24 PM   #18 
  - and has anyone else noticed that they have "Reagan" hair?  CatWoman   May-03-08 11:54 AM   #8 
  - Another issue is this - Doctor: Birth defects increase in inbred polygamy community  1776Forever   May-03-08 12:08 PM   #11 
  - You're right -- that's a big issue.  pnwmom   May-03-08 12:13 PM   #13 
  - The sad thing is some of these parents don't even know about this illness.  1776Forever   May-03-08 12:18 PM   #16 
  - There is also persistent unsettling talk about how the severely  kestrel91316   May-03-08 12:26 PM   #19 
     - Not to defend this pack of jackals but many children with severe  jwirr   May-03-08 01:22 PM   #27 
     - Word from witnesses is that they drowned the deformed babies.  kestrel91316   May-03-08 02:17 PM   #45 
        - I didn't hear that, but I can't say I'm surprised. n/t  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:37 PM   #54 
        - I know and I believe it but I was just pointing out the natural high  jwirr   May-03-08 02:43 PM   #58 
           - Yeah. And given the lack of supervised perinatal care,  kestrel91316   May-03-08 09:51 PM   #86 
     - Not to defend this pack of jackals but many children with severe  jwirr   May-03-08 01:22 PM   #28 
  - It's your basic patriarchal cult.  smoogatz   May-03-08 12:52 PM   #21 
  - Same reason catholics continued to take their children to Church and leave them with priests  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 01:02 PM   #22 
     - Sort of.  smoogatz   May-03-08 01:11 PM   #24 
     - Whatever a bunch of creeps used make believe to molest the crap out of a lot of kids  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 01:25 PM   #31 
        - Two major differences:  pnwmom   May-03-08 01:33 PM   #33 
           - The theology protected the priest, and the cover up was massive  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 01:42 PM   #35 
              - The theology didn't cover up the priest. Do you know what theology is?  pnwmom   May-03-08 01:49 PM   #37 
              - Your theology set up a patriarchal system with an elite cast possessing special powers  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:10 PM   #42 
                 - The percent of offenders in the Catholic church has never been shown to  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:16 PM   #44 
                    - Yes it has the catholic leauge would have you belive otherwise and the general population  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:26 PM   #47 
                       - You're writing gibberish at this point. Forget it. n/t  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:28 PM   #48 
                          - Your the catholic that didn't think their were many catholics in africa, that level of ignorance  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:33 PM   #51 
                             - I didn't say there weren't many Catholics in Africa -- I said they didn't care  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:36 PM   #52 
                                - You obviously don't know anything about Africa or the catholic church in Africa.  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:41 PM   #57 
                                   - And you're full of B.S. and bias. n/t  pnwmom   May-03-08 06:10 PM   #82 
              - they were pedos using religion. point to a place in any religious  roguevalley   May-03-08 04:03 PM   #62 
                 - You mean aside from the bible right? Give the bible a break a lot of it was written in the stone-age  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 04:23 PM   #66 
                    - Where does it say so in the bible?  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:25 PM   #67 
                    - Have you ever read the bible, for a start Rebecka was 14 when she married Issac  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 04:41 PM   #71 
                       - You claimed the Bible allows it, you prove it.  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:57 PM   #74 
                    - And what was the life expectancy for women in that era? Probably  pnwmom   May-03-08 06:12 PM   #83 
     - Not at all the same. Lay Catholics weren't handing their children over  pnwmom   May-03-08 01:19 PM   #25 
     - Dude everyone knew what was going on it was rampent, people chose to close their eyes  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 01:24 PM   #29 
        - Again, no Catholic turned their child over to a priest for a "spiritual marriage."  pnwmom   May-03-08 01:29 PM   #32 
        - Every catholic I know knew someone who had been molested, same creeps different religion  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 01:38 PM   #34 
           - The Catholic Church is the largest single denomination in the United States,  pnwmom   May-03-08 01:46 PM   #36 
              - See I think it only makes sense to look at it in terms of the number of children molested.  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 01:55 PM   #38 
                 - And how many FLDSers do you see who are objecting?  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:04 PM   #40 
                    - Think about how many millions of africans won't wear condoms, talk about mind control  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:15 PM   #43 
                       - How many Africans do you think care what the Catholic church says about  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:18 PM   #46 
                          - The 149 million members of the catholic church there perhaps? A pattern emerges.  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:29 PM   #49 
                             - We have millions of Catholics in the U.S., and the Catholics here are just  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:32 PM   #50 
                                - yes and the 149 million catholics in Africa are far more devote by any measure and they tend to  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:36 PM   #53 
                                   - Oh yeah? Prove it. n/t  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:39 PM   #56 
                                      - In the last 26 years as the catholic church as a whole has shrunk* it has tripled in Africa  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 02:53 PM   #59 
                                         - Lies, damned lies, statistics.  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:13 PM   #65 
                                         - Doesn't change that in Africa they went from 50 mil to over 150 mil in 30 years. Th  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 04:26 PM   #68 
                                            - Only partially. If only part of your numbers are correct, only part are.  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:28 PM   #69 
                                            - As a % of the world population, as opposed to africa where they are growing rapidly  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 04:45 PM   #72 
                                         - Doesn't make them more devout, just newer.  pnwmom   May-03-08 06:09 PM   #81 
        - work under the guise. religion doesn't allow this. Men do. Men.  roguevalley   May-03-08 04:04 PM   #63 
        - No arguing that these religions weren't made up by guys, but I think perhaps the FLDS women  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 05:02 PM   #76 
           - So, in your opinion, Catholics are just as involved as FLDSers,  pnwmom   May-03-08 06:14 PM   #84 
        - There is a difference between a creed saying "do this" and people in the church chosing to do someth  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:10 PM   #64 
           - A difference that allowed them to successfully molest far more children then the FDLS ever will  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 04:57 PM   #73 
              - Lies, damned lies, statistics again. There are far more catholic kids than FLDS  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:59 PM   #75 
                 - I guess I just see it a little differently then you do.  LeviathanCrumbling   May-03-08 05:27 PM   #78 
                    - I agree with that, but see it further as a difference between what is  uppityperson   May-03-08 05:30 PM   #79 
     - this isn't about religion. this is pedophilia shrouded by religion.  roguevalley   May-03-08 04:02 PM   #61 
  - I've been following this.  PDJane   May-03-08 01:08 PM   #23 
  - These people are crazies -- but are they Jeffs' crazies?  pnwmom   May-03-08 01:25 PM   #30 
     - Yes and no  Rosemary2205   May-03-08 01:55 PM   #39 
     - You're right, I tossed off that word too loosely.  pnwmom   May-03-08 02:09 PM   #41 
     - The LeBarons are in thier own wacky sect of alt.LDS.......  kestrel91316   May-03-08 09:58 PM   #87 
  - Polygamist's son: "He believes that incest is going to bring back the line of Jesus Christ."  rainbow4321   May-03-08 02:38 PM   #55 
  - This story was pointed out to me  PDJane   May-03-08 05:02 PM   #77 
  - delete, not the right topic  uppityperson   May-03-08 03:02 PM   #60 
  - Or Stepford wives, with some badly burned-out subunits ... nt  eppur_se_muova   May-03-08 10:51 PM   #88 

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