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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:30 AM
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75. My grandfather, too
and he'd already lost two brothers in law and many of the young men he grew up with in his community.

If you recall from Ken Burns recent documentary about WWII, most of the US troops who had been prepared to invade Japan were the "walking wounded" - troops who had already been through horrific battles in the South Pacific, wounded, patched up and sent back into combat.

The US didn't start the war, but they had to finish it with the least amount of damage to our own troops as possible.
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  -Obliterate -never-before-published photographs Hiroshima- Graphic warning. Ichingcarpenter  May-02-08 04:39 PM   #0 
  - Too bad images like that weren't available for our leaders BEFORE they made the decision  slackmaster   May-02-08 04:40 PM   #1 
  - May Hillary have the guts, no the balls, to look at these images every day before deciding to  indepat   May-02-08 05:17 PM   #22 
  - As long as that nation  MonkeyFunk   May-03-08 07:59 AM   #52 
     - Doesn't Israel have some 400 nuclear warheads?  wuushew   May-05-08 02:03 PM   #123 
  - They had pictures of equal carnage elsewhere  hack89   May-03-08 04:33 PM   #91 
  - Wow....n/t  Lady-Damai   May-02-08 04:42 PM   #2 
  - k&r. Tragic.  uppityperson   May-02-08 04:43 PM   #3 
  - Were Heroshima & Nagasaki MIlitary Targets?  Disturbed   May-02-08 04:46 PM   #5 
     - Didn't all the people just incinerate into dust?  uppityperson   May-02-08 04:49 PM   #7 
     - Many did but thousand jumped into water to escape the flames ...  Botany   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #10 
     - I know. I was asking sarcastically, since I have heard this from people.  uppityperson   May-02-08 05:01 PM   #17 
     - Only people who were pretty close to the mushroom cloud were killed instantly  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-08 05:43 PM   #29 
     - I know. I read Hiroshima as a middle schooler, and it has affected me for life.  uppityperson   May-02-08 11:12 PM   #33 
        - Me too.  emmadoggy   May-03-08 04:23 PM   #88 
        - Read Hersey's book in high school 1947. One of the best  lumpy   May-03-08 04:30 PM   #90 
           - It was one of the first books I got out when I was allowed into the adult sections  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:39 PM   #93 
              - read it in middle school too  caraher   May-04-08 12:59 AM   #106 
     - At Ground Zero, people did incinerate and become ash  truedelphi   May-02-08 05:46 PM   #30 
        - Another oddity about the Hiroshima blast  Lydia Leftcoast   May-03-08 12:39 AM   #34 
           - OH Lydia, it might be a wonderful thing for you to recount all your  truedelphi   May-03-08 03:32 PM   #83 
     - Hiroshima was deliberately left unbombed before August 1945  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-08 05:37 PM   #27 
     - Actually, Nagasaki also was cloudy  Angleae   May-03-08 03:24 AM   #37 
     - They were industrial centers  krispos42   May-04-08 12:10 AM   #103 
  - And bush wants a new generation of nuclear weapons.  alfredo   May-02-08 04:44 PM   #4 
  - Doc film on Hiroshima/Nagasaki/current state of nukes, Original Child Bomb  Echo In Light   May-04-08 07:04 AM   #109 
     - I've lived my life under the threat of total annihilation from the bomb.  alfredo   May-04-08 08:27 AM   #110 
     - obliteration is more than just a puffing  Supersedeas   May-05-08 03:33 PM   #127 
  - This is why all humanity should work toward peace.  Uncle Joe   May-02-08 04:47 PM   #6 
  - Sen Clinton said that she would Obliterate Iran if Iran  Disturbed   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #11 
     - I already knew that and it didn't take 30 seconds  Uncle Joe   May-02-08 05:02 PM   #19 
  - Awful images but the bomb saved millions .....  Botany   May-02-08 04:52 PM   #8 
  - I know several people whose fathers were on deck to invade Japan  slackmaster   May-02-08 05:19 PM   #23 
  - I had a neighbor in the 1980's .... he was a P.O.W. in Japan  Botany   May-02-08 05:30 PM   #26 
  - Not neccessarily so.  MadHound   May-03-08 05:41 AM   #39 
  - That is completely not true. I don't have the book in front of me, but here we go:  Zynx   May-03-08 10:49 AM   #59 
  - Geesh I love YouTube  Rosemary2205   May-04-08 11:10 AM   #113 
  - Yes,  verges   May-03-08 11:24 AM   #74 
  - That was propaganda to justify the act - it's been largely debunked.  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:01 AM   #41 
  - That's a theory some historians support. Others no.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:50 AM   #60 
     - Oh sure, TRUMAN thought so, or said he did, but that doesn't mean  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 11:30 AM   #76 
     - Yet Zynx is correct. It's merely a theory at this point.  LanternWaste   May-05-08 03:49 PM   #128 
     - Agree, Truman would not have done that  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:32 AM   #77 
  - My grandfather, too  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:30 AM   #75 
  - That's how my dad feels about it  ginbarn   May-05-08 03:03 PM   #126 
  - That's horrible and so was the "Rape of Nanking", the Japanese slaughtered over 200,000 civilians.nt  jody   May-02-08 04:53 PM   #9 
  - What's one got to do with the other?  Bornaginhooligan   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #12 
     - Both deal with the horrors of war. Truman used atomic bombs because intelligence showed Japan was  jody   May-02-08 04:59 PM   #16 
     - Intelligence showed Japan was defeated, and ready to surrender.  Bornaginhooligan   May-02-08 05:01 PM   #18 
        - You and I are not going to agree on this issue so we end up disagreeing. Have a nice evening. n/t  jody   May-02-08 05:03 PM   #20 
        - You should probably check your facts rather than "agreeing to disagree". This is a factual issue,  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:16 AM   #44 
           - Perhaps it is you who should check your facts. Apparently you rely upon sanitized, revisionist  jody   May-03-08 07:32 AM   #46 
              - Your father was a soldier. Look at those corpses in that picture. I see the bodies of children.  AP   May-03-08 07:43 AM   #48 
                 - Why ignore the question, was Truman right in using the atomic bomb given the information he had?  jody   May-03-08 07:57 AM   #51 
                 - Talk about ignoring the question!  AP   May-03-08 10:31 AM   #55 
                    - Your question has no relevance to Truman's decision to use the atomic bomb. n/t  jody   May-03-08 10:36 AM   #57 
                       - Truman shouldn't have been considering deaths of over 100,000 innocent civilians, many of whom  AP   May-03-08 10:40 AM   #58 
                          - Yes! Truman's job as commander in chief was to end the war as quickly as possible with minimum  jody   May-03-08 10:51 AM   #61 
                             - Emperors sure don't care about people!  AP   May-03-08 10:41 PM   #99 
                                - Sorry but that's the way wars are conducted, only the head of a nation may surrender. That's why  jody   May-04-08 10:06 AM   #111 
                 - There were children killed by the Japanese in every territory they invaded  truedelphi   May-03-08 01:56 PM   #81 
                 - Who do you punish? Other children? Or their government?  AP   May-03-08 10:41 PM   # 
                 - How do you punish a government?  krispos42   May-04-08 12:26 AM   #104 
                 - I consider myself a pacifist on account of the fact that  truedelphi   May-04-08 08:10 PM   #120 
                 - Who do you punish? Other children? Or their government?  AP   May-03-08 10:41 PM   #98 
                 - That's an ad hominem.  girl gone mad   May-04-08 12:47 AM   #105 
                    - No more "ad hominem" than those pictures...  AP   May-04-08 01:13 AM   #107 
        - No, no it did not.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:52 AM   #62 
        - The point is this: The Japanese had nothing preventing them from surrendering  truedelphi   May-03-08 03:26 PM   #82 
        - The real question is who had what intelligence. I'm not sure if  hedgehog   May-03-08 03:36 PM   #85 
        - Eight months earlier, intelligence showed the precise same thing concerning Germany  LanternWaste   May-05-08 03:55 PM   #131 
     - Both are examples of Total War  slackmaster   May-02-08 05:19 PM   #24 
  - And those who died instantly were the lucky ones  MindPilot   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #13 
  - I don't know and why has it taken 63 years ?  Ichingcarpenter   May-02-08 04:59 PM   #15 
  - I need to go throw up now...  housewolf   May-02-08 04:58 PM   #14 
  - These photos, like the signature photos of Nam and the graphic images  nosmokes   May-02-08 05:05 PM   #21 
  - It will have to compete with propaganda crap like Rambo; whose weapon  Uncle Joe   May-02-08 05:42 PM   #28 
  - While some of our actions were not, our involvement in WWII was a net positive.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:04 AM   #70 
  - Why just Americans?  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:34 AM   #78 
  - We were good , the Japanese and Germans were evil !  UndertheOcean   May-02-08 05:21 PM   #25 
  - Actually, I have a hard time not saying that.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:06 AM   #71 
  - The Nazi's were evil  hack89   May-03-08 04:39 PM   #94 
  - Harry Truman knew what he was doing.  Preston120   May-02-08 06:38 PM   #31 
  - Horseshit.  Truth2Tell   May-02-08 10:58 PM   #32 
  - One day we'll see the real pictures  malaise   May-03-08 07:04 AM   #42 
  - yea, a country that did not do anything to us.  alyce douglas   May-05-08 01:59 PM   #122 
  - That's one interpretation, hardly the final truth.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:53 AM   #63 
  - "Forced to invade"  tsdraegeth   May-03-08 12:45 AM   #35 
  - Truman's decision was made very soberly. If you read "Truman" by David McCullough  Zynx   May-03-08 10:56 AM   #65 
     - "Revisionist history" re Truman is offensive  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:39 AM   #79 
  - No, the invasion estimate was 250K US lives, and Truman knew that  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:14 AM   #43 
     - 2 million could well have been a total casualty estimate.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:55 AM   #64 
        - It's easy to second guess Truman  OmahaBlueDog   May-03-08 11:15 AM   #72 
  - For an account of the aftermath I highly recommend Masuji Ibuse's novel "Black Rain"...  Hekate   May-03-08 01:30 AM   #36 
  - But this was OK....right?  edwardsguy   May-03-08 04:06 AM   #38 
  - Who said that?  JNelson6563   May-03-08 06:55 AM   #40 
  - Japan would have attacked civilians if they had the chance just as they killed 20 million in China.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:02 AM   #69 
     - and yet my point remains standing  JNelson6563   May-03-08 11:17 AM   #73 
  - It was a despicable attack, but only 2400 died, almost all military. Compare that with  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:23 AM   #45 
     - Japan killed 20 million people in China.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:00 AM   #67 
        - Got a cite for that claim? The worst I can find is 300K victims at Nanjing  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 11:40 AM   #80 
           - You're woefully uninformed  rockymountaindem   May-03-08 04:24 PM   #89 
  - I suspect racism is the reason those aren't pictures of a German city and German corpses  AP   May-03-08 07:39 AM   #47 
  - No shortage of those either  rockymountaindem   May-03-08 07:48 AM   #50 
  - You know what's sick about that...  AP   May-03-08 10:35 AM   #56 
     - I'd like to see those studies you're talking about  rockymountaindem   May-03-08 04:21 PM   #87 
  - That is so much BULLSHIT.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:57 AM   #66 
     - Shame because it sickens me to see those pictures and I wonder how the minds work of the people  AP   May-03-08 10:46 PM   #100 
  - War is hell.  Squatch   May-03-08 07:48 AM   #49 
  - Yes war is hell  Retired AF Dem   May-03-08 09:17 AM   #54 
  - Those civilians, those children, were victims. Please don't confuse Gvt with People.  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:44 PM   #95 
  - And most always unnecessary.  Owl   May-03-08 03:40 PM   #86 
  - omg.  Bonobo   May-03-08 09:15 AM   #53 
  - Send it to Hillary. Title it "Obliterated." n/t  Xap   May-03-08 11:01 AM   #68 
  - Agreed.  Fox Mulder   May-03-08 03:36 PM   #84 
  - Even if you accept that this definitely saved millions of lives,  slowry   May-03-08 04:36 PM   #92 
  - Bombing civilian targets on purpose simply cannot be justified.  dbmk   May-03-08 05:15 PM   #96 
  - Kick. n/t  Cerridwen   May-03-08 08:37 PM   #97 
  - Historically speaking, the decision to drop the bombs were  rasputin1952   May-03-08 10:52 PM   #101 
  - Well written. Looks like you and I have read the same books & perhaps grew up in the same times. n/t  jody   May-04-08 10:55 AM   #112 
  - a history loving person, I love to get as many  rasputin1952   May-04-08 11:23 AM   #115 
  - Strategically and tactically...but not morally correct.  LeftHander   May-05-08 02:58 PM   #125 
     - The indiscriminate killing of civilians including women and  rasputin1952   May-05-08 05:01 PM   #137 
  - IKE was ready, willing and able to do that to the Soviet Union.  Octafish   May-03-08 11:44 PM   #102 
  - We visited Hiroshima last year  spinbaby   May-04-08 06:33 AM   #108 
  - Sorry... Unjustifiable  fascisthunter   May-04-08 11:17 AM   #114 
  - Were you alive at the time? All things w/the decision have  rasputin1952   May-04-08 11:31 AM   #116 
  - Sorry... I'm Not Convinced  fascisthunter   May-05-08 03:51 PM   #130 
     - It is not the only scenario during those times when there was  rasputin1952   May-05-08 04:43 PM   #132 
        - You are Trying to Justify a Horrific Act  fascisthunter   May-05-08 04:50 PM   #134 
           - In the times, it was justifiable...  rasputin1952   May-05-08 04:53 PM   #135 
              - No... It's Your Opinion  fascisthunter   May-05-08 04:57 PM   #136 
  - Were you alive at the time? All things w/the decision have  rasputin1952   May-04-08 11:31 AM   #117 
  - We can't say that the war would of been worse....  LeftHander   May-05-08 02:52 PM   #124 
  - Unless you were alive in 1945 and a potential casualty if the U.S. invaded Japan, then you have no  jody   May-04-08 05:35 PM   #119 
     - The US had the war won; Japan couldn't have "forced" it to invade  Shatov   May-05-08 01:51 PM   #121 
     - Sorry but Japan was given a chance to surrender but it refused. I've read the quotes you cite plus  jody   May-06-08 07:59 AM   #139 
     - If My Opinion was so Easily Dismissed  fascisthunter   May-05-08 03:49 PM   #129 
        - Sorry but we are talking about using atomic bombs to end a war that had already cost millions of  jody   May-06-08 07:51 AM   #138 
  - unpublished?  iamthebandfanman   May-04-08 11:32 AM   #118 
     - I think this is that thread. It's been going for days.  uppityperson   May-05-08 04:45 PM   #133 

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