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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 07:48 AM
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50. No shortage of those either


That one's from the wikipedia article.
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  -Obliterate -never-before-published photographs Hiroshima- Graphic warning. Ichingcarpenter  May-02-08 04:39 PM   #0 
  - Too bad images like that weren't available for our leaders BEFORE they made the decision  slackmaster   May-02-08 04:40 PM   #1 
  - May Hillary have the guts, no the balls, to look at these images every day before deciding to  indepat   May-02-08 05:17 PM   #22 
  - As long as that nation  MonkeyFunk   May-03-08 07:59 AM   #52 
     - Doesn't Israel have some 400 nuclear warheads?  wuushew   May-05-08 02:03 PM   #123 
  - They had pictures of equal carnage elsewhere  hack89   May-03-08 04:33 PM   #91 
  - Wow....n/t  Lady-Damai   May-02-08 04:42 PM   #2 
  - k&r. Tragic.  uppityperson   May-02-08 04:43 PM   #3 
  - Were Heroshima & Nagasaki MIlitary Targets?  Disturbed   May-02-08 04:46 PM   #5 
     - Didn't all the people just incinerate into dust?  uppityperson   May-02-08 04:49 PM   #7 
     - Many did but thousand jumped into water to escape the flames ...  Botany   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #10 
     - I know. I was asking sarcastically, since I have heard this from people.  uppityperson   May-02-08 05:01 PM   #17 
     - Only people who were pretty close to the mushroom cloud were killed instantly  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-08 05:43 PM   #29 
     - I know. I read Hiroshima as a middle schooler, and it has affected me for life.  uppityperson   May-02-08 11:12 PM   #33 
        - Me too.  emmadoggy   May-03-08 04:23 PM   #88 
        - Read Hersey's book in high school 1947. One of the best  lumpy   May-03-08 04:30 PM   #90 
           - It was one of the first books I got out when I was allowed into the adult sections  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:39 PM   #93 
              - read it in middle school too  caraher   May-04-08 12:59 AM   #106 
     - At Ground Zero, people did incinerate and become ash  truedelphi   May-02-08 05:46 PM   #30 
        - Another oddity about the Hiroshima blast  Lydia Leftcoast   May-03-08 12:39 AM   #34 
           - OH Lydia, it might be a wonderful thing for you to recount all your  truedelphi   May-03-08 03:32 PM   #83 
     - Hiroshima was deliberately left unbombed before August 1945  Lydia Leftcoast   May-02-08 05:37 PM   #27 
     - Actually, Nagasaki also was cloudy  Angleae   May-03-08 03:24 AM   #37 
     - They were industrial centers  krispos42   May-04-08 12:10 AM   #103 
  - And bush wants a new generation of nuclear weapons.  alfredo   May-02-08 04:44 PM   #4 
  - Doc film on Hiroshima/Nagasaki/current state of nukes, Original Child Bomb  Echo In Light   May-04-08 07:04 AM   #109 
     - I've lived my life under the threat of total annihilation from the bomb.  alfredo   May-04-08 08:27 AM   #110 
     - obliteration is more than just a puffing  Supersedeas   May-05-08 03:33 PM   #127 
  - This is why all humanity should work toward peace.  Uncle Joe   May-02-08 04:47 PM   #6 
  - Sen Clinton said that she would Obliterate Iran if Iran  Disturbed   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #11 
     - I already knew that and it didn't take 30 seconds  Uncle Joe   May-02-08 05:02 PM   #19 
  - Awful images but the bomb saved millions .....  Botany   May-02-08 04:52 PM   #8 
  - I know several people whose fathers were on deck to invade Japan  slackmaster   May-02-08 05:19 PM   #23 
  - I had a neighbor in the 1980's .... he was a P.O.W. in Japan  Botany   May-02-08 05:30 PM   #26 
  - Not neccessarily so.  MadHound   May-03-08 05:41 AM   #39 
  - That is completely not true. I don't have the book in front of me, but here we go:  Zynx   May-03-08 10:49 AM   #59 
  - Geesh I love YouTube  Rosemary2205   May-04-08 11:10 AM   #113 
  - Yes,  verges   May-03-08 11:24 AM   #74 
  - That was propaganda to justify the act - it's been largely debunked.  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:01 AM   #41 
  - That's a theory some historians support. Others no.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:50 AM   #60 
     - Oh sure, TRUMAN thought so, or said he did, but that doesn't mean  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 11:30 AM   #76 
     - Yet Zynx is correct. It's merely a theory at this point.  LanternWaste   May-05-08 03:49 PM   #128 
     - Agree, Truman would not have done that  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:32 AM   #77 
  - My grandfather, too  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:30 AM   #75 
  - That's how my dad feels about it  ginbarn   May-05-08 03:03 PM   #126 
  - That's horrible and so was the "Rape of Nanking", the Japanese slaughtered over 200,000 civilians.nt  jody   May-02-08 04:53 PM   #9 
  - What's one got to do with the other?  Bornaginhooligan   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #12 
     - Both deal with the horrors of war. Truman used atomic bombs because intelligence showed Japan was  jody   May-02-08 04:59 PM   #16 
     - Intelligence showed Japan was defeated, and ready to surrender.  Bornaginhooligan   May-02-08 05:01 PM   #18 
        - You and I are not going to agree on this issue so we end up disagreeing. Have a nice evening. n/t  jody   May-02-08 05:03 PM   #20 
        - You should probably check your facts rather than "agreeing to disagree". This is a factual issue,  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:16 AM   #44 
           - Perhaps it is you who should check your facts. Apparently you rely upon sanitized, revisionist  jody   May-03-08 07:32 AM   #46 
              - Your father was a soldier. Look at those corpses in that picture. I see the bodies of children.  AP   May-03-08 07:43 AM   #48 
                 - Why ignore the question, was Truman right in using the atomic bomb given the information he had?  jody   May-03-08 07:57 AM   #51 
                 - Talk about ignoring the question!  AP   May-03-08 10:31 AM   #55 
                    - Your question has no relevance to Truman's decision to use the atomic bomb. n/t  jody   May-03-08 10:36 AM   #57 
                       - Truman shouldn't have been considering deaths of over 100,000 innocent civilians, many of whom  AP   May-03-08 10:40 AM   #58 
                          - Yes! Truman's job as commander in chief was to end the war as quickly as possible with minimum  jody   May-03-08 10:51 AM   #61 
                             - Emperors sure don't care about people!  AP   May-03-08 10:41 PM   #99 
                                - Sorry but that's the way wars are conducted, only the head of a nation may surrender. That's why  jody   May-04-08 10:06 AM   #111 
                 - There were children killed by the Japanese in every territory they invaded  truedelphi   May-03-08 01:56 PM   #81 
                 - Who do you punish? Other children? Or their government?  AP   May-03-08 10:41 PM   # 
                 - How do you punish a government?  krispos42   May-04-08 12:26 AM   #104 
                 - I consider myself a pacifist on account of the fact that  truedelphi   May-04-08 08:10 PM   #120 
                 - Who do you punish? Other children? Or their government?  AP   May-03-08 10:41 PM   #98 
                 - That's an ad hominem.  girl gone mad   May-04-08 12:47 AM   #105 
                    - No more "ad hominem" than those pictures...  AP   May-04-08 01:13 AM   #107 
        - No, no it did not.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:52 AM   #62 
        - The point is this: The Japanese had nothing preventing them from surrendering  truedelphi   May-03-08 03:26 PM   #82 
        - The real question is who had what intelligence. I'm not sure if  hedgehog   May-03-08 03:36 PM   #85 
        - Eight months earlier, intelligence showed the precise same thing concerning Germany  LanternWaste   May-05-08 03:55 PM   #131 
     - Both are examples of Total War  slackmaster   May-02-08 05:19 PM   #24 
  - And those who died instantly were the lucky ones  MindPilot   May-02-08 04:54 PM   #13 
  - I don't know and why has it taken 63 years ?  Ichingcarpenter   May-02-08 04:59 PM   #15 
  - I need to go throw up now...  housewolf   May-02-08 04:58 PM   #14 
  - These photos, like the signature photos of Nam and the graphic images  nosmokes   May-02-08 05:05 PM   #21 
  - It will have to compete with propaganda crap like Rambo; whose weapon  Uncle Joe   May-02-08 05:42 PM   #28 
  - While some of our actions were not, our involvement in WWII was a net positive.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:04 AM   #70 
  - Why just Americans?  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:34 AM   #78 
  - We were good , the Japanese and Germans were evil !  UndertheOcean   May-02-08 05:21 PM   #25 
  - Actually, I have a hard time not saying that.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:06 AM   #71 
  - The Nazi's were evil  hack89   May-03-08 04:39 PM   #94 
  - Harry Truman knew what he was doing.  Preston120   May-02-08 06:38 PM   #31 
  - Horseshit.  Truth2Tell   May-02-08 10:58 PM   #32 
  - One day we'll see the real pictures  malaise   May-03-08 07:04 AM   #42 
  - yea, a country that did not do anything to us.  alyce douglas   May-05-08 01:59 PM   #122 
  - That's one interpretation, hardly the final truth.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:53 AM   #63 
  - "Forced to invade"  tsdraegeth   May-03-08 12:45 AM   #35 
  - Truman's decision was made very soberly. If you read "Truman" by David McCullough  Zynx   May-03-08 10:56 AM   #65 
     - "Revisionist history" re Truman is offensive  OzarkDem   May-03-08 11:39 AM   #79 
  - No, the invasion estimate was 250K US lives, and Truman knew that  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:14 AM   #43 
     - 2 million could well have been a total casualty estimate.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:55 AM   #64 
        - It's easy to second guess Truman  OmahaBlueDog   May-03-08 11:15 AM   #72 
  - For an account of the aftermath I highly recommend Masuji Ibuse's novel "Black Rain"...  Hekate   May-03-08 01:30 AM   #36 
  - But this was OK....right?  edwardsguy   May-03-08 04:06 AM   #38 
  - Who said that?  JNelson6563   May-03-08 06:55 AM   #40 
  - Japan would have attacked civilians if they had the chance just as they killed 20 million in China.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:02 AM   #69 
     - and yet my point remains standing  JNelson6563   May-03-08 11:17 AM   #73 
  - It was a despicable attack, but only 2400 died, almost all military. Compare that with  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 07:23 AM   #45 
     - Japan killed 20 million people in China.  Zynx   May-03-08 11:00 AM   #67 
        - Got a cite for that claim? The worst I can find is 300K victims at Nanjing  bean fidhleir   May-03-08 11:40 AM   #80 
           - You're woefully uninformed  rockymountaindem   May-03-08 04:24 PM   #89 
  - I suspect racism is the reason those aren't pictures of a German city and German corpses  AP   May-03-08 07:39 AM   #47 
  - No shortage of those either  rockymountaindem   May-03-08 07:48 AM   #50 
  - You know what's sick about that...  AP   May-03-08 10:35 AM   #56 
     - I'd like to see those studies you're talking about  rockymountaindem   May-03-08 04:21 PM   #87 
  - That is so much BULLSHIT.  Zynx   May-03-08 10:57 AM   #66 
     - Shame because it sickens me to see those pictures and I wonder how the minds work of the people  AP   May-03-08 10:46 PM   #100 
  - War is hell.  Squatch   May-03-08 07:48 AM   #49 
  - Yes war is hell  Retired AF Dem   May-03-08 09:17 AM   #54 
  - Those civilians, those children, were victims. Please don't confuse Gvt with People.  uppityperson   May-03-08 04:44 PM   #95 
  - And most always unnecessary.  Owl   May-03-08 03:40 PM   #86 
  - omg.  Bonobo   May-03-08 09:15 AM   #53 
  - Send it to Hillary. Title it "Obliterated." n/t  Xap   May-03-08 11:01 AM   #68 
  - Agreed.  Fox Mulder   May-03-08 03:36 PM   #84 
  - Even if you accept that this definitely saved millions of lives,  slowry   May-03-08 04:36 PM   #92 
  - Bombing civilian targets on purpose simply cannot be justified.  dbmk   May-03-08 05:15 PM   #96 
  - Kick. n/t  Cerridwen   May-03-08 08:37 PM   #97 
  - Historically speaking, the decision to drop the bombs were  rasputin1952   May-03-08 10:52 PM   #101 
  - Well written. Looks like you and I have read the same books & perhaps grew up in the same times. n/t  jody   May-04-08 10:55 AM   #112 
  - Thanks...as a history loving person, I love to get as many  rasputin1952   May-04-08 11:23 AM   #115 
  - Strategically and tactically...but not morally correct.  LeftHander   May-05-08 02:58 PM   #125 
     - The indiscriminate killing of civilians including women and  rasputin1952   May-05-08 05:01 PM   #137 
  - IKE was ready, willing and able to do that to the Soviet Union.  Octafish   May-03-08 11:44 PM   #102 
  - We visited Hiroshima last year  spinbaby   May-04-08 06:33 AM   #108 
  - Sorry... Unjustifiable  fascisthunter   May-04-08 11:17 AM   #114 
  - Were you alive at the time? All things w/the decision have  rasputin1952   May-04-08 11:31 AM   #116 
  - Sorry... I'm Not Convinced  fascisthunter   May-05-08 03:51 PM   #130 
     - It is not the only scenario during those times when there was  rasputin1952   May-05-08 04:43 PM   #132 
        - You are Trying to Justify a Horrific Act  fascisthunter   May-05-08 04:50 PM   #134 
           - In the times, it was justifiable...  rasputin1952   May-05-08 04:53 PM   #135 
              - No... It's Your Opinion  fascisthunter   May-05-08 04:57 PM   #136 
  - Were you alive at the time? All things w/the decision have  rasputin1952   May-04-08 11:31 AM   #117 
  - We can't say that the war would of been worse....  LeftHander   May-05-08 02:52 PM   #124 
  - Unless you were alive in 1945 and a potential casualty if the U.S. invaded Japan, then you have no  jody   May-04-08 05:35 PM   #119 
     - The US had the war won; Japan couldn't have "forced" it to invade  Shatov   May-05-08 01:51 PM   #121 
     - Sorry but Japan was given a chance to surrender but it refused. I've read the quotes you cite plus  jody   May-06-08 07:59 AM   #139 
     - If My Opinion was so Easily Dismissed  fascisthunter   May-05-08 03:49 PM   #129 
        - Sorry but we are talking about using atomic bombs to end a war that had already cost millions of  jody   May-06-08 07:51 AM   #138 
  - unpublished?  iamthebandfanman   May-04-08 11:32 AM   #118 
     - I think this is that thread. It's been going for days.  uppityperson   May-05-08 04:45 PM   #133 
 

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