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Fri May-02-08 02:15 AM
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| 109. It's not genetic makeup. The average Japanese eats about half the calories of the avg. American. |
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Being active doesn't help you lose weight - you can run for a half hour and you barely burn 1 or 200 calories.
Americans eat an absurd amount of food, and Japanese and other Japanese who are raised here are almost as prone to obesity as Americans, when they abandon the traditional Asian diet.
Did you not notice when you went to a restaurant in Japan, that the servings of everything were about half as big. Even if you order a coke, it comes in a glass that would be less than a "child's size" in the US.
At first, I was surprised and thought it was too little.
But when I made my portions more like the amounts the Japanese eat (obviously a bit more, since I'm taller), lo and behold, I started losing weight. Go figure.
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| -"Fit, but Fat" Demonstrated to be Nonsense |
El Pinko |
Apr-29-08 10:18 PM |
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Where's the other thread? |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-29-08 10:22 PM |
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Voilá! |
El Pinko |
Apr-29-08 10:24 PM |
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Thank you! nt |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-29-08 10:25 PM |
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The BMI is crock of shit though. |
alarimer |
Apr-29-08 10:25 PM |
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I don't know if you've looked around lately- most people ARE overweight. nt |
LeftyMom |
Apr-29-08 10:28 PM |
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A good friend of mine judged to be "obese" b/c of BMI was not |
classicfilmfan |
Apr-30-08 07:18 AM |
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Oh, I know it's a poor tool because it doesn't account for body types. |
LeftyMom |
Apr-30-08 11:27 AM |
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Your good friend is fat |
bamalib |
May-04-08 04:46 AM |
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It's true though, the 'height/weight' guage is about the worst measure possible. |
Dr_eldritch |
Apr-30-08 08:02 AM |
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Most Americans are overweight. |
El Pinko |
Apr-29-08 10:30 PM |
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So true! |
mvccd1000 |
Apr-30-08 06:16 AM |
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It's not all the "excesses" in some cases. |
Clark2008 |
May-01-08 11:44 AM |
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You'd Have To Stand Next To Laura Bush to Gauge Her Weight |
Crisco |
May-04-08 12:05 PM |
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We might have some common ground on that issue... |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 12:47 PM |
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The BMI index IS a buncha shit, even with their factor of waist size. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-29-08 10:44 PM |
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Tell me about it. According to the BMI, I am *obese*. |
Marr |
Apr-29-08 11:21 PM |
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You are in denial. Good luck. |
bamalib |
May-04-08 04:53 AM |
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What do you mean? |
Marr |
May-04-08 10:25 AM |
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Of course no measure is perfect |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-29-08 11:35 PM |
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You may not be unfit, but I have read several studies... |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:04 AM |
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That's due to their tons of protein and cholesterol intakes. Oh, and steroids. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-30-08 06:32 AM |
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Out of curiousity, what is the argument that visible abdominals cause spinal problems? |
semillama |
Apr-30-08 11:05 AM |
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Yes. When you control for fat vs muscle mass, high blood pressure correlates with lean body weight |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:18 AM |
#48 |
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Exactly.. |
sendero |
Apr-30-08 07:13 AM |
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You are overweight. Sorry if no one has the guts to tell you. |
bamalib |
May-04-08 04:51 AM |
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You're seriously saying a 5'9", 180lb. male is obese? |
Marr |
May-04-08 10:29 AM |
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Not overweight. Not even close. |
HughBeaumont |
May-04-08 11:37 AM |
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Michael Jordan qualifies as obese. nt |
MookieWilson |
Apr-29-08 10:57 PM |
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Shaquille O'Neal and Hulk Hogan would too. |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:06 AM |
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My issue with it is that it doesn't take into account muscle mass |
TheFriendlyAnarchist |
Apr-29-08 10:58 PM |
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The BMI says I'm borderline overweight, and I have 6% body fat. |
David__77 |
Apr-29-08 11:21 PM |
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THere are a lot of different measures. Think of BMI as a "first alert". |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:08 AM |
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High end "Normal" for me is 162. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-30-08 06:34 AM |
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66% of the US adult population is overweight |
New Dawn |
Apr-29-08 11:27 PM |
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IIRC, BMI was created in the 1840's using a bunch of ectomorphic men |
Snarkturian Clone |
Apr-30-08 06:29 AM |
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Well, Penn Jillette is obese, so he has an agenda... |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 07:27 AM |
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Well, the problem is that I'm a mesomorph of Italian descent |
Snarkturian Clone |
Apr-30-08 08:05 AM |
#42 |
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A 13 week fast? |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 09:13 AM |
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You'd be surprised how easy it can be to fast. |
Snarkturian Clone |
Apr-30-08 12:31 PM |
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Please don't fast. Ever. And tell your children not to fast either! |
pink-o |
May-01-08 09:11 AM |
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I lived in Japan too |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:39 PM |
#106 |
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It's not genetic makeup. The average Japanese eats about half the calories of the avg. American. |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 02:15 AM |
#109 |
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Although I completely buy that the Japanese eat fewer calories, |
distantearlywarning |
May-02-08 07:16 AM |
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I'm not saying that Asians and Caucasians are identical. |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 07:37 AM |
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I agree with pretty much everything in this post. |
distantearlywarning |
May-02-08 11:42 AM |
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Wow, you'd hate Japan then - they eat a surprising amount of bread! |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 11:49 AM |
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So you think I should have felt bad. Thanks. nt |
thecatburgler |
May-02-08 05:21 PM |
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How you felt is none of my concern. |
El Pinko |
May-03-08 03:41 AM |
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I love how you ASSume how much I was eating. |
thecatburgler |
May-03-08 12:43 PM |
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Ahem... |
El Pinko |
May-03-08 08:26 PM |
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Japanese women also have massive problems with eating disorders |
thecatburgler |
May-04-08 12:02 AM |
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Some American girls have EDs and commit suicide, too. |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 02:30 AM |
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Small percentage? OMG, you really are clueless. |
thecatburgler |
May-04-08 02:38 AM |
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What is the percentage? 1%? 3%? 5%? |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 03:59 AM |
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That's a bit dishonest. |
distantearlywarning |
May-04-08 09:11 AM |
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The assumption was based on what she was replying to. |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 11:33 AM |
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RE your link... |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 11:41 AM |
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BMI is a very crude tool, water submersion is a true scale |
didact |
May-01-08 08:47 AM |
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Thanks for posting. I heard the report on CNN this morning |
Ilsa |
Apr-29-08 10:29 PM |
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Ive got 50 to lose |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-29-08 11:37 PM |
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I've lost 100 lbs since I was 36 over 2 years ago |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:14 AM |
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Yeah, I'm creeping up on age 50 in a few months. I never had |
Ilsa |
Apr-30-08 08:12 AM |
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you also have to remember that fit doesn't mean healthy either. |
notadmblnd |
Apr-29-08 10:43 PM |
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that's not what the study says |
pop goes the weasel |
Apr-29-08 11:10 PM |
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A study based on questionnaires and self reporting is bullshit by definition n/t |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:10 AM |
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It seems that everyone in this country struggles with weight. |
David__77 |
Apr-29-08 11:25 PM |
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I think it's the replacement of real (whole) foods with fake processed convenience foods. |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:17 AM |
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Bingo! |
mvccd1000 |
Apr-30-08 06:23 AM |
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You were spot on in the other thread... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-29-08 11:32 PM |
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How relevant |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:20 AM |
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What the hell does that have to do with anything? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-30-08 10:34 AM |
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Obesity is strictly genetic. Probably PKU would be a better analogy |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 06:18 PM |
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No, its not genetic but *very* nice try... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-30-08 10:51 PM |
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There is no inconsistency whatever. The only reason obesity is rising |
eridani |
May-01-08 12:33 AM |
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OK, PKU is a better analogy |
eridani |
May-01-08 01:15 AM |
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Alternatively, skinny people aren't by definition "fit" either. |
Lex |
Apr-29-08 11:41 PM |
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. |
classicfilmfan |
Apr-30-08 07:20 AM |
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"Fit" has become a code word for slim, especially where women are concerned. |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 11:02 AM |
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That's for sure. |
TheFriendlyAnarchist |
May-04-08 10:57 AM |
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My own doctors have a differing view - I'm fat, but with *perfect* heart rate/BP/etc. |
Zhade |
Apr-29-08 11:43 PM |
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I hear this a lot - usually from someone in their 20s or early 30s... |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:20 AM |
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If they would take corn syrup out of our food |
Horse with no Name |
Apr-30-08 12:11 AM |
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It's freakin' crazy the stuff that it's in. |
Lex |
Apr-30-08 12:15 AM |
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I've made a concerted effort to avoid it, but it's hard. |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:28 PM |
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The American ideal of "fit" |
classicfilmfan |
Apr-30-08 07:23 AM |
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Uh, no |
malakai2 |
Apr-30-08 08:01 AM |
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People who are much shorter or taller than average are unhealthier than average also |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:22 AM |
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if people don't want to bother managing risk factors they can control |
malakai2 |
Apr-30-08 05:05 PM |
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You can't control your weight |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 06:22 PM |
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Horse crap.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-30-08 10:53 PM |
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Well bully for you! My skin got way lighter when I stayed indoors all winter |
eridani |
May-01-08 12:48 AM |
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Thank you! |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:53 AM |
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Uggg way to bring up something *nobody* here is talking about |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 09:25 AM |
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Unless you're walking around with a stethoscope |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 10:15 AM |
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Right, whatever.... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:17 AM |
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May-01-08 10:26 AM |
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So let me get this striaght.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:31 AM |
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May-01-08 10:35 AM |
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What, pray tell, am i denying? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:47 AM |
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You still have to whip out that old 'you hate them meme' |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 07:55 AM |
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Here's the problem with the "don't drink" argument: |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 08:39 AM |
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Well, you do drink |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 09:19 AM |
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For your information: |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 09:52 AM |
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So you represent what % of overweight and obese people |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:06 AM |
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Actually, I'm probably not an outlier. |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 11:07 AM |
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The reason for the focus |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 11:13 AM |
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As a society we could probably control many of the factors I mentioned. |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 11:44 AM |
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Oh, I'm an "outlier", too |
JulieRB |
May-02-08 01:55 PM |
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"I could quit smoking 100 times for every pound that I have ever lost" |
FarceOfNature |
May-01-08 02:29 PM |
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Thank You, EarlyWarning |
lolly |
May-04-08 11:04 AM |
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It's genetic the way PKU is genetic |
eridani |
May-01-08 11:41 AM |
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BTW: |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 11:26 AM |
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But nobody notices the way they do with white folks. n/t |
eridani |
May-01-08 11:37 AM |
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It Is Good |
NikolaC |
May-04-08 01:33 PM |
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lessons from my two cats |
spooky3 |
May-04-08 06:46 PM |
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A picture of statistical manipulation |
Amber Waves |
Apr-30-08 11:53 AM |
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CDC's methodology is there |
malakai2 |
Apr-30-08 05:10 PM |
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Thank YOU! |
Bettie |
Apr-30-08 08:11 AM |
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I've seen this photoset before - it should be pointed out that this is photoshopped. |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 09:42 AM |
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What bullshit. A fucking QUESTIONNAIRE? |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:09 AM |
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Still waiting for someone to explain why a questionnaire study-- |
eridani |
May-01-08 05:09 AM |
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Sloppy ass MSM will push any "study" that supports their corporate agenda, no matter how dubious |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:45 PM |
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Bingo |
treestar |
May-02-08 02:05 PM |
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You may as well just blather on about how people with sickle cell anemia are less healthy |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:17 AM |
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Personally, I'd be more trusting of study results that involved actual fitness testing |
distantearlywarning |
Apr-30-08 08:28 AM |
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Bingo. The Cooper Aerobic Institute studies contradict the OP |
eridani |
May-01-08 11:44 AM |
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I have diabetes so losing weight with insulin is very hard, I wish my BMI was lower |
Jennicut |
Apr-30-08 09:30 AM |
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If you're only 6 lbs over "normal" BMI and you look okay, it's probably not worth fretting about |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 09:49 AM |
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Thanks, I actually got the diabetes when I was pregnant with my second child |
Jennicut |
Apr-30-08 07:35 PM |
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"Healthy" BMI is as much an idiocy as "healthy" height |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 09:50 PM |
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What does looks have to do with it? |
Rhansen |
Apr-30-08 11:33 PM |
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Don't confuse the look of health with fashion-mag beauty aesthetics. |
El Pinko |
May-01-08 12:57 AM |
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Oprah has a thyroid problem & refuses to do a show about it. |
Perragrande |
May-02-08 01:45 PM |
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She probably should. But she also doesn't use it as an excuse to become morbidly obese. |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 06:41 PM |
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No definition of "fit" nor "fat" |
flvegan |
Apr-30-08 10:00 AM |
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Well, when you have one study that is nothing but questionnaires-- |
eridani |
May-01-08 12:50 AM |
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Why threads on being fat all of a sudden?? |
guardian |
Apr-30-08 10:48 AM |
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We're all gonna die some day no matter what our weight is. |
azmouse |
Apr-30-08 10:50 AM |
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fat people who exercise are still much better off than if they gave up exercising |
eShirl |
May-01-08 08:05 AM |
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Let's try to resolve two seemingly-contradictory notions |
Ellen Forradalom |
May-01-08 10:43 AM |
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Wow, I am the the thread TERMINATOR!!!11!! |
Ellen Forradalom |
May-02-08 02:48 AM |
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the idea that anyone cares about the health of fat people demonstrated to be nonsense. |
VotesForWomen |
May-02-08 01:13 PM |
#115 |
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What about sumo wrestlers? |
sakabatou |
May-02-08 01:57 PM |
#118 |
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Being 87% higher risk as a fit obese women is miles better than being 250% higher as an unfit one. |
PelosiFan |
May-02-08 06:49 PM |
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It seems to me that the findings show a lot of risk in being obese, active or not. |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 04:14 AM |
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Simply posting about this is judgmental. |
zanne |
May-04-08 09:31 AM |
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Overweight and obesity really aren't moral/ethical issues |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 10:05 AM |
#136 |
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We've been down that road with smoking; now obesity... |
zanne |
May-04-08 10:38 AM |
#139 |
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Than call me a crock, know-nothing layperson, not "judgmental". |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 11:44 AM |
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Interesting discussion. |
faygokid |
May-04-08 11:59 AM |
#146 |
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That happened to me in my early-mid-30s... |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 12:53 PM |
#149 |
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people aren't honest about what exercising does to the joints |
pitohui |
May-04-08 01:49 PM |
#151 |
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We all eat too much |
FarCenter |
May-04-08 05:46 PM |
#152 |
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Advertising is a leading influence on overeating |
spooky3 |
May-04-08 06:49 PM |
#154 |
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