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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:51 PM
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70. No, its not genetic but *very* nice try...
Were obesity genetic it would not be rising 10% a decade. Are there *some* obese people who have genetic conditions? sure Id bet on it but the number has to be very, very small..

BTW where have I said they should be denied health care? and BTW I dont consider 20 pounds overweight obese or dangerously fat but when you get into 50-100? come on..
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  -"Fit, but Fat" Demonstrated to be Nonsense El Pinko  Apr-29-08 10:18 PM   #0 
  - Where's the other thread?  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-29-08 10:22 PM   #1 
  - Voil!  El Pinko   Apr-29-08 10:24 PM   #2 
     - Thank you! nt  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-29-08 10:25 PM   #4 
  - The BMI is crock of shit though.  alarimer   Apr-29-08 10:25 PM   #3 
  - I don't know if you've looked around lately- most people ARE overweight. nt  LeftyMom   Apr-29-08 10:28 PM   #5 
  - A good friend of mine judged to be "obese" b/c of BMI was not  classicfilmfan   Apr-30-08 07:18 AM   #36 
  - Oh, I know it's a poor tool because it doesn't account for body types.  LeftyMom   Apr-30-08 11:27 AM   #61 
  - Your good friend is fat  bamalib   May-04-08 04:46 AM   #131 
  - It's true though, the 'height/weight' guage is about the worst measure possible.  Dr_eldritch   Apr-30-08 08:02 AM   #41 
  - Most Americans are overweight.  El Pinko   Apr-29-08 10:30 PM   #7 
  - So true!  mvccd1000   Apr-30-08 06:16 AM   #30 
  - It's not all the "excesses" in some cases.  Clark2008   May-01-08 11:44 AM   #102 
  - You'd Have To Stand Next To Laura Bush to Gauge Her Weight  Crisco   May-04-08 12:05 PM   #147 
     - We might have some common ground on that issue...  El Pinko   May-04-08 12:47 PM   #148 
  - The BMI index IS a buncha shit, even with their factor of waist size.  HughBeaumont   Apr-29-08 10:44 PM   #9 
  - Tell me about it. According to the BMI, I am *obese*.  Marr   Apr-29-08 11:21 PM   #14 
  - You are in denial. Good luck.  bamalib   May-04-08 04:53 AM   #133 
     - What do you mean?  Marr   May-04-08 10:25 AM   #137 
  - Of course no measure is perfect  DadOf2LittleAngels   Apr-29-08 11:35 PM   #18 
  - You may not be unfit, but I have read several studies...  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 12:04 AM   #22 
  - That's due to their tons of protein and cholesterol intakes. Oh, and steroids.  HughBeaumont   Apr-30-08 06:32 AM   #33 
  - Out of curiousity, what is the argument that visible abdominals cause spinal problems?  semillama   Apr-30-08 11:05 AM   #60 
  - Yes. When you control for fat vs muscle mass, high blood pressure correlates with lean body weight  eridani   Apr-30-08 08:18 AM   #48 
  - Exactly..  sendero   Apr-30-08 07:13 AM   #35 
  - You are overweight. Sorry if no one has the guts to tell you.  bamalib   May-04-08 04:51 AM   #132 
     - You're seriously saying a 5'9", 180lb. male is obese?  Marr   May-04-08 10:29 AM   #138 
     - Not overweight. Not even close.  HughBeaumont   May-04-08 11:37 AM   #143 
  - Michael Jordan qualifies as obese. nt  MookieWilson   Apr-29-08 10:57 PM   #10 
  - Shaquille O'Neal and Hulk Hogan would too.  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 12:06 AM   #23 
  - My issue with it is that it doesn't take into account muscle mass  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Apr-29-08 10:58 PM   #11 
  - The BMI says I'm borderline overweight, and I have 6% body fat.  David__77   Apr-29-08 11:21 PM   #13 
  - THere are a lot of different measures. Think of BMI as a "first alert".  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 12:08 AM   #24 
  - High end "Normal" for me is 162.  HughBeaumont   Apr-30-08 06:34 AM   #34 
  - 66% of the US adult population is overweight  New Dawn   Apr-29-08 11:27 PM   #16 
  - IIRC, BMI was created in the 1840's using a bunch of ectomorphic men  Snarkturian Clone   Apr-30-08 06:29 AM   #32 
  - Well, Penn Jillette is obese, so he has an agenda...  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 07:27 AM   #39 
     - Well, the problem is that I'm a mesomorph of Italian descent  Snarkturian Clone   Apr-30-08 08:05 AM   #42 
     - A 13 week fast?  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 09:13 AM   #52 
        - You'd be surprised how easy it can be to fast.  Snarkturian Clone   Apr-30-08 12:31 PM   #63 
           - Please don't fast. Ever. And tell your children not to fast either!  pink-o   May-01-08 09:11 AM   #84 
     - I lived in Japan too  thecatburgler   May-01-08 01:39 PM   #106 
        - It's not genetic makeup. The average Japanese eats about half the calories of the avg. American.  El Pinko   May-02-08 02:15 AM   #109 
           - Although I completely buy that the Japanese eat fewer calories,  distantearlywarning   May-02-08 07:16 AM   #111 
           - I'm not saying that Asians and Caucasians are identical.  El Pinko   May-02-08 07:37 AM   #112 
              - I agree with pretty much everything in this post.  distantearlywarning   May-02-08 11:42 AM   #113 
                 - Wow, you'd hate Japan then - they eat a surprising amount of bread!  El Pinko   May-02-08 11:49 AM   #114 
           - So you think I should have felt bad. Thanks. nt  thecatburgler   May-02-08 05:21 PM   #120 
              - How you felt is none of my concern.  El Pinko   May-03-08 03:41 AM   #123 
                 - I love how you ASSume how much I was eating.  thecatburgler   May-03-08 12:43 PM   #124 
                    - Ahem...  El Pinko   May-03-08 08:26 PM   #125 
                       - Japanese women also have massive problems with eating disorders  thecatburgler   May-04-08 12:02 AM   #126 
                       - Some American girls have EDs and commit suicide, too.  El Pinko   May-04-08 02:30 AM   #127 
                          - Small percentage? OMG, you really are clueless.  thecatburgler   May-04-08 02:38 AM   #128 
                             - What is the percentage? 1%? 3%? 5%?  El Pinko   May-04-08 03:59 AM   #129 
                       - That's a bit dishonest.  distantearlywarning   May-04-08 09:11 AM   #134 
                          - The assumption was based on what she was replying to.  El Pinko   May-04-08 11:33 AM   #142 
                          - RE your link...  El Pinko   May-04-08 11:41 AM   #144 
  - BMI is a very crude tool, water submersion is a true scale  didact   May-01-08 08:47 AM   #83 
  - Thanks for posting. I heard the report on CNN this morning  Ilsa   Apr-29-08 10:29 PM   #6 
  - Ive got 50 to lose  DadOf2LittleAngels   Apr-29-08 11:37 PM   #19 
     - I've lost 100 lbs since I was 36 over 2 years ago  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 12:14 AM   #26 
     - Yeah, I'm creeping up on age 50 in a few months. I never had  Ilsa   Apr-30-08 08:12 AM   #46 
  - you also have to remember that fit doesn't mean healthy either.  notadmblnd   Apr-29-08 10:43 PM   #8 
  - that's not what the study says  pop goes the weasel   Apr-29-08 11:10 PM   #12 
  - A study based on questionnaires and self reporting is bullshit by definition n/t  eridani   Apr-30-08 08:10 AM   #44 
  - It seems that everyone in this country struggles with weight.  David__77   Apr-29-08 11:25 PM   #15 
  - I think it's the replacement of real (whole) foods with fake processed convenience foods.  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 12:17 AM   #28 
     - Bingo!  mvccd1000   Apr-30-08 06:23 AM   #31 
  - You were spot on in the other thread...  DadOf2LittleAngels   Apr-29-08 11:32 PM   #17 
  - How relevant  eridani   Apr-30-08 08:20 AM   #49 
     - What the hell does that have to do with anything?  DadOf2LittleAngels   Apr-30-08 10:34 AM   #57 
        - Obesity is strictly genetic. Probably PKU would be a better analogy  eridani   Apr-30-08 06:18 PM   #66 
        - No, its not genetic but *very* nice try...  DadOf2LittleAngels   Apr-30-08 10:51 PM   #70 
           - There is no inconsistency whatever. The only reason obesity is rising  eridani   May-01-08 12:33 AM   #73 
        - OK, PKU is a better analogy  eridani   May-01-08 01:15 AM   #77 
  - Alternatively, skinny people aren't by definition "fit" either.  Lex   Apr-29-08 11:41 PM   #20 
  - .  classicfilmfan   Apr-30-08 07:20 AM   #37 
  - "Fit" has become a code word for slim, especially where women are concerned.  thecatburgler   May-01-08 11:02 AM   #96 
  - That's for sure.  TheFriendlyAnarchist   May-04-08 10:57 AM   #140 
  - My own doctors have a differing view - I'm fat, but with *perfect* heart rate/BP/etc.  Zhade   Apr-29-08 11:43 PM   #21 
  - I hear this a lot - usually from someone in their 20s or early 30s...  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 12:20 AM   #29 
  - If they would take corn syrup out of our food  Horse with no Name   Apr-30-08 12:11 AM   #25 
  - It's freakin' crazy the stuff that it's in.  Lex   Apr-30-08 12:15 AM   #27 
     - I've made a concerted effort to avoid it, but it's hard.  thecatburgler   May-01-08 01:28 PM   #105 
  - The American ideal of "fit"  classicfilmfan   Apr-30-08 07:23 AM   #38 
  - Uh, no  malakai2   Apr-30-08 08:01 AM   #40 
  - People who are much shorter or taller than average are unhealthier than average also  eridani   Apr-30-08 08:22 AM   #50 
  - if people don't want to bother managing risk factors they can control  malakai2   Apr-30-08 05:05 PM   #64 
     - You can't control your weight  eridani   Apr-30-08 06:22 PM   #67 
        - Horse crap..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Apr-30-08 10:53 PM   #71 
           - Well bully for you! My skin got way lighter when I stayed indoors all winter  eridani   May-01-08 12:48 AM   #74 
              - Thank you!  thecatburgler   May-01-08 01:53 AM   #78 
              - Uggg way to bring up something *nobody* here is talking about  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 09:25 AM   #86 
                 - Unless you're walking around with a stethoscope  thecatburgler   May-01-08 10:15 AM   #89 
                    - Right, whatever....  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 10:17 AM   #90 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   May-01-08 10:26 AM   #91 
                          - So let me get this striaght..  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 10:31 AM   #92 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   May-01-08 10:35 AM   #93 
                                - What, pray tell, am i denying?  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 10:47 AM   #95 
              - You still have to whip out that old 'you hate them meme'  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 07:55 AM   #80 
              - Here's the problem with the "don't drink" argument:  distantearlywarning   May-01-08 08:39 AM   #82 
              - Well, you do drink  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 09:19 AM   #85 
              - For your information:  distantearlywarning   May-01-08 09:52 AM   #87 
                 - So you represent what % of overweight and obese people  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 10:06 AM   #88 
                    - Actually, I'm probably not an outlier.  distantearlywarning   May-01-08 11:07 AM   #97 
                    - The reason for the focus  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 11:13 AM   #98 
                       - As a society we could probably control many of the factors I mentioned.  distantearlywarning   May-01-08 11:44 AM   #104 
                    - Oh, I'm an "outlier", too  JulieRB   May-02-08 01:55 PM   #117 
              - "I could quit smoking 100 times for every pound that I have ever lost"  FarceOfNature   May-01-08 02:29 PM   #108 
              - Thank You, EarlyWarning  lolly   May-04-08 11:04 AM   #141 
              - It's genetic the way PKU is genetic  eridani   May-01-08 11:41 AM   #101 
              - BTW:  DadOf2LittleAngels   May-01-08 11:26 AM   #99 
              - But nobody notices the way they do with white folks. n/t  eridani   May-01-08 11:37 AM   #100 
              - It Is Good  NikolaC   May-04-08 01:33 PM   #150 
                 - lessons from my two cats  spooky3   May-04-08 06:46 PM   #153 
  - A picture of statistical manipulation  Amber Waves   Apr-30-08 11:53 AM   #62 
     - CDC's methodology is there  malakai2   Apr-30-08 05:10 PM   #65 
  - Thank YOU!  Bettie   Apr-30-08 08:11 AM   #45 
  - I've seen this photoset before - it should be pointed out that this is photoshopped.  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 09:42 AM   #54 
  - What bullshit. A fucking QUESTIONNAIRE?  eridani   Apr-30-08 08:09 AM   #43 
  - Still waiting for someone to explain why a questionnaire study--  eridani   May-01-08 05:09 AM   #79 
     - Sloppy ass MSM will push any "study" that supports their corporate agenda, no matter how dubious  thecatburgler   May-01-08 01:45 PM   #107 
        - Bingo  treestar   May-02-08 02:05 PM   #119 
  - You may as well just blather on about how people with sickle cell anemia are less healthy  eridani   Apr-30-08 08:17 AM   #47 
  - Personally, I'd be more trusting of study results that involved actual fitness testing  distantearlywarning   Apr-30-08 08:28 AM   #51 
  - Bingo. The Cooper Aerobic Institute studies contradict the OP  eridani   May-01-08 11:44 AM   #103 
  - I have diabetes so losing weight with insulin is very hard, I wish my BMI was lower  Jennicut   Apr-30-08 09:30 AM   #53 
  - If you're only 6 lbs over "normal" BMI and you look okay, it's probably not worth fretting about  El Pinko   Apr-30-08 09:49 AM   #55 
     - Thanks, I actually got the diabetes when I was pregnant with my second child  Jennicut   Apr-30-08 07:35 PM   #68 
     - "Healthy" BMI is as much an idiocy as "healthy" height  eridani   Apr-30-08 09:50 PM   #69 
     - What does looks have to do with it?  Rhansen   Apr-30-08 11:33 PM   #72 
        - Don't confuse the look of health with fashion-mag beauty aesthetics.  El Pinko   May-01-08 12:57 AM   #76 
           - Oprah has a thyroid problem & refuses to do a show about it.  Perragrande   May-02-08 01:45 PM   #116 
              - She probably should. But she also doesn't use it as an excuse to become morbidly obese.  El Pinko   May-02-08 06:41 PM   #121 
  - No definition of "fit" nor "fat"  flvegan   Apr-30-08 10:00 AM   #56 
  - Well, when you have one study that is nothing but questionnaires--  eridani   May-01-08 12:50 AM   #75 
  - Why threads on being fat all of a sudden??  guardian   Apr-30-08 10:48 AM   #58 
  - We're all gonna die some day no matter what our weight is.  azmouse   Apr-30-08 10:50 AM   #59 
  - fat people who exercise are still much better off than if they gave up exercising  eShirl   May-01-08 08:05 AM   #81 
  - Let's try to resolve two seemingly-contradictory notions  Ellen Forradalom   May-01-08 10:43 AM   #94 
  - Wow, I am the the thread TERMINATOR!!!11!!  Ellen Forradalom   May-02-08 02:48 AM   #110 
  - the idea that anyone cares about the health of fat people demonstrated to be nonsense.  VotesForWomen   May-02-08 01:13 PM   #115 
  - What about sumo wrestlers?  sakabatou   May-02-08 01:57 PM   #118 
  - Being 87% higher risk as a fit obese women is miles better than being 250% higher as an unfit one.  PelosiFan   May-02-08 06:49 PM   #122 
  - It seems to me that the findings show a lot of risk in being obese, active or not.  El Pinko   May-04-08 04:14 AM   #130 
  - Simply posting about this is judgmental.  zanne   May-04-08 09:31 AM   #135 
  - Overweight and obesity really aren't moral/ethical issues  El Pinko   May-04-08 10:05 AM   #136 
     - We've been down that road with smoking; now obesity...  zanne   May-04-08 10:38 AM   #139 
        - Than call me a crock, know-nothing layperson, not "judgmental".  El Pinko   May-04-08 11:44 AM   #145 
  - Interesting discussion.  faygokid   May-04-08 11:59 AM   #146 
  - That happened to me in my early-mid-30s...  El Pinko   May-04-08 12:53 PM   #149 
  - people aren't honest about what exercising does to the joints  pitohui   May-04-08 01:49 PM   #151 
  - We all eat too much  FarCenter   May-04-08 05:46 PM   #152 
  - Advertising is a leading influence on overeating  spooky3   May-04-08 06:49 PM   #154 
 

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