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Wed Apr-30-08 08:09 AM
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| 43. What bullshit. A fucking QUESTIONNAIRE? |
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For your information, the Cooper Aerobics Institute studies indicating the exact opposite actually MEASURED weight, height, and aerobic fitness directly.
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| -"Fit, but Fat" Demonstrated to be Nonsense |
El Pinko |
Apr-29-08 10:18 PM |
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Where's the other thread? |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-29-08 10:22 PM |
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Voilá! |
El Pinko |
Apr-29-08 10:24 PM |
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Thank you! nt |
napoleon_in_rags |
Apr-29-08 10:25 PM |
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The BMI is crock of shit though. |
alarimer |
Apr-29-08 10:25 PM |
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I don't know if you've looked around lately- most people ARE overweight. nt |
LeftyMom |
Apr-29-08 10:28 PM |
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A good friend of mine judged to be "obese" b/c of BMI was not |
classicfilmfan |
Apr-30-08 07:18 AM |
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Oh, I know it's a poor tool because it doesn't account for body types. |
LeftyMom |
Apr-30-08 11:27 AM |
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Your good friend is fat |
bamalib |
May-04-08 04:46 AM |
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It's true though, the 'height/weight' guage is about the worst measure possible. |
Dr_eldritch |
Apr-30-08 08:02 AM |
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Most Americans are overweight. |
El Pinko |
Apr-29-08 10:30 PM |
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So true! |
mvccd1000 |
Apr-30-08 06:16 AM |
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It's not all the "excesses" in some cases. |
Clark2008 |
May-01-08 11:44 AM |
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You'd Have To Stand Next To Laura Bush to Gauge Her Weight |
Crisco |
May-04-08 12:05 PM |
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We might have some common ground on that issue... |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 12:47 PM |
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The BMI index IS a buncha shit, even with their factor of waist size. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-29-08 10:44 PM |
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Tell me about it. According to the BMI, I am *obese*. |
Marr |
Apr-29-08 11:21 PM |
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You are in denial. Good luck. |
bamalib |
May-04-08 04:53 AM |
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What do you mean? |
Marr |
May-04-08 10:25 AM |
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Of course no measure is perfect |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-29-08 11:35 PM |
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You may not be unfit, but I have read several studies... |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:04 AM |
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That's due to their tons of protein and cholesterol intakes. Oh, and steroids. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-30-08 06:32 AM |
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Out of curiousity, what is the argument that visible abdominals cause spinal problems? |
semillama |
Apr-30-08 11:05 AM |
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Yes. When you control for fat vs muscle mass, high blood pressure correlates with lean body weight |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:18 AM |
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Exactly.. |
sendero |
Apr-30-08 07:13 AM |
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You are overweight. Sorry if no one has the guts to tell you. |
bamalib |
May-04-08 04:51 AM |
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You're seriously saying a 5'9", 180lb. male is obese? |
Marr |
May-04-08 10:29 AM |
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Not overweight. Not even close. |
HughBeaumont |
May-04-08 11:37 AM |
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Michael Jordan qualifies as obese. nt |
MookieWilson |
Apr-29-08 10:57 PM |
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Shaquille O'Neal and Hulk Hogan would too. |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:06 AM |
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My issue with it is that it doesn't take into account muscle mass |
TheFriendlyAnarchist |
Apr-29-08 10:58 PM |
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The BMI says I'm borderline overweight, and I have 6% body fat. |
David__77 |
Apr-29-08 11:21 PM |
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THere are a lot of different measures. Think of BMI as a "first alert". |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:08 AM |
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High end "Normal" for me is 162. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-30-08 06:34 AM |
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66% of the US adult population is overweight |
New Dawn |
Apr-29-08 11:27 PM |
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IIRC, BMI was created in the 1840's using a bunch of ectomorphic men |
Snarkturian Clone |
Apr-30-08 06:29 AM |
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Well, Penn Jillette is obese, so he has an agenda... |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 07:27 AM |
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Well, the problem is that I'm a mesomorph of Italian descent |
Snarkturian Clone |
Apr-30-08 08:05 AM |
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A 13 week fast? |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 09:13 AM |
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You'd be surprised how easy it can be to fast. |
Snarkturian Clone |
Apr-30-08 12:31 PM |
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Please don't fast. Ever. And tell your children not to fast either! |
pink-o |
May-01-08 09:11 AM |
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I lived in Japan too |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:39 PM |
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It's not genetic makeup. The average Japanese eats about half the calories of the avg. American. |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 02:15 AM |
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Although I completely buy that the Japanese eat fewer calories, |
distantearlywarning |
May-02-08 07:16 AM |
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I'm not saying that Asians and Caucasians are identical. |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 07:37 AM |
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I agree with pretty much everything in this post. |
distantearlywarning |
May-02-08 11:42 AM |
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Wow, you'd hate Japan then - they eat a surprising amount of bread! |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 11:49 AM |
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So you think I should have felt bad. Thanks. nt |
thecatburgler |
May-02-08 05:21 PM |
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How you felt is none of my concern. |
El Pinko |
May-03-08 03:41 AM |
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I love how you ASSume how much I was eating. |
thecatburgler |
May-03-08 12:43 PM |
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Ahem... |
El Pinko |
May-03-08 08:26 PM |
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Japanese women also have massive problems with eating disorders |
thecatburgler |
May-04-08 12:02 AM |
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Some American girls have EDs and commit suicide, too. |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 02:30 AM |
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Small percentage? OMG, you really are clueless. |
thecatburgler |
May-04-08 02:38 AM |
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What is the percentage? 1%? 3%? 5%? |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 03:59 AM |
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That's a bit dishonest. |
distantearlywarning |
May-04-08 09:11 AM |
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The assumption was based on what she was replying to. |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 11:33 AM |
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RE your link... |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 11:41 AM |
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BMI is a very crude tool, water submersion is a true scale |
didact |
May-01-08 08:47 AM |
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Thanks for posting. I heard the report on CNN this morning |
Ilsa |
Apr-29-08 10:29 PM |
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Ive got 50 to lose |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-29-08 11:37 PM |
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I've lost 100 lbs since I was 36 over 2 years ago |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:14 AM |
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Yeah, I'm creeping up on age 50 in a few months. I never had |
Ilsa |
Apr-30-08 08:12 AM |
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you also have to remember that fit doesn't mean healthy either. |
notadmblnd |
Apr-29-08 10:43 PM |
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that's not what the study says |
pop goes the weasel |
Apr-29-08 11:10 PM |
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A study based on questionnaires and self reporting is bullshit by definition n/t |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:10 AM |
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It seems that everyone in this country struggles with weight. |
David__77 |
Apr-29-08 11:25 PM |
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I think it's the replacement of real (whole) foods with fake processed convenience foods. |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:17 AM |
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Bingo! |
mvccd1000 |
Apr-30-08 06:23 AM |
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You were spot on in the other thread... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-29-08 11:32 PM |
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How relevant |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:20 AM |
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What the hell does that have to do with anything? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-30-08 10:34 AM |
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Obesity is strictly genetic. Probably PKU would be a better analogy |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 06:18 PM |
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No, its not genetic but *very* nice try... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-30-08 10:51 PM |
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There is no inconsistency whatever. The only reason obesity is rising |
eridani |
May-01-08 12:33 AM |
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OK, PKU is a better analogy |
eridani |
May-01-08 01:15 AM |
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Alternatively, skinny people aren't by definition "fit" either. |
Lex |
Apr-29-08 11:41 PM |
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. |
classicfilmfan |
Apr-30-08 07:20 AM |
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"Fit" has become a code word for slim, especially where women are concerned. |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 11:02 AM |
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That's for sure. |
TheFriendlyAnarchist |
May-04-08 10:57 AM |
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My own doctors have a differing view - I'm fat, but with *perfect* heart rate/BP/etc. |
Zhade |
Apr-29-08 11:43 PM |
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I hear this a lot - usually from someone in their 20s or early 30s... |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 12:20 AM |
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If they would take corn syrup out of our food |
Horse with no Name |
Apr-30-08 12:11 AM |
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It's freakin' crazy the stuff that it's in. |
Lex |
Apr-30-08 12:15 AM |
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I've made a concerted effort to avoid it, but it's hard. |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:28 PM |
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The American ideal of "fit" |
classicfilmfan |
Apr-30-08 07:23 AM |
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Uh, no |
malakai2 |
Apr-30-08 08:01 AM |
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People who are much shorter or taller than average are unhealthier than average also |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:22 AM |
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if people don't want to bother managing risk factors they can control |
malakai2 |
Apr-30-08 05:05 PM |
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You can't control your weight |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 06:22 PM |
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Horse crap.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-30-08 10:53 PM |
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Well bully for you! My skin got way lighter when I stayed indoors all winter |
eridani |
May-01-08 12:48 AM |
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Thank you! |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:53 AM |
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Uggg way to bring up something *nobody* here is talking about |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 09:25 AM |
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Unless you're walking around with a stethoscope |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 10:15 AM |
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Right, whatever.... |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:17 AM |
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May-01-08 10:26 AM |
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So let me get this striaght.. |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:31 AM |
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May-01-08 10:35 AM |
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What, pray tell, am i denying? |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:47 AM |
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You still have to whip out that old 'you hate them meme' |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 07:55 AM |
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Here's the problem with the "don't drink" argument: |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 08:39 AM |
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Well, you do drink |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 09:19 AM |
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For your information: |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 09:52 AM |
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So you represent what % of overweight and obese people |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 10:06 AM |
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Actually, I'm probably not an outlier. |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 11:07 AM |
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The reason for the focus |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 11:13 AM |
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As a society we could probably control many of the factors I mentioned. |
distantearlywarning |
May-01-08 11:44 AM |
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Oh, I'm an "outlier", too |
JulieRB |
May-02-08 01:55 PM |
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"I could quit smoking 100 times for every pound that I have ever lost" |
FarceOfNature |
May-01-08 02:29 PM |
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Thank You, EarlyWarning |
lolly |
May-04-08 11:04 AM |
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It's genetic the way PKU is genetic |
eridani |
May-01-08 11:41 AM |
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BTW: |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
May-01-08 11:26 AM |
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But nobody notices the way they do with white folks. n/t |
eridani |
May-01-08 11:37 AM |
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It Is Good |
NikolaC |
May-04-08 01:33 PM |
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lessons from my two cats |
spooky3 |
May-04-08 06:46 PM |
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A picture of statistical manipulation |
Amber Waves |
Apr-30-08 11:53 AM |
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CDC's methodology is there |
malakai2 |
Apr-30-08 05:10 PM |
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Thank YOU! |
Bettie |
Apr-30-08 08:11 AM |
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I've seen this photoset before - it should be pointed out that this is photoshopped. |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 09:42 AM |
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What bullshit. A fucking QUESTIONNAIRE? |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:09 AM |
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Still waiting for someone to explain why a questionnaire study-- |
eridani |
May-01-08 05:09 AM |
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Sloppy ass MSM will push any "study" that supports their corporate agenda, no matter how dubious |
thecatburgler |
May-01-08 01:45 PM |
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Bingo |
treestar |
May-02-08 02:05 PM |
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You may as well just blather on about how people with sickle cell anemia are less healthy |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 08:17 AM |
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Personally, I'd be more trusting of study results that involved actual fitness testing |
distantearlywarning |
Apr-30-08 08:28 AM |
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Bingo. The Cooper Aerobic Institute studies contradict the OP |
eridani |
May-01-08 11:44 AM |
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I have diabetes so losing weight with insulin is very hard, I wish my BMI was lower |
Jennicut |
Apr-30-08 09:30 AM |
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If you're only 6 lbs over "normal" BMI and you look okay, it's probably not worth fretting about |
El Pinko |
Apr-30-08 09:49 AM |
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Thanks, I actually got the diabetes when I was pregnant with my second child |
Jennicut |
Apr-30-08 07:35 PM |
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"Healthy" BMI is as much an idiocy as "healthy" height |
eridani |
Apr-30-08 09:50 PM |
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What does looks have to do with it? |
Rhansen |
Apr-30-08 11:33 PM |
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Don't confuse the look of health with fashion-mag beauty aesthetics. |
El Pinko |
May-01-08 12:57 AM |
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Oprah has a thyroid problem & refuses to do a show about it. |
Perragrande |
May-02-08 01:45 PM |
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She probably should. But she also doesn't use it as an excuse to become morbidly obese. |
El Pinko |
May-02-08 06:41 PM |
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No definition of "fit" nor "fat" |
flvegan |
Apr-30-08 10:00 AM |
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Well, when you have one study that is nothing but questionnaires-- |
eridani |
May-01-08 12:50 AM |
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Why threads on being fat all of a sudden?? |
guardian |
Apr-30-08 10:48 AM |
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We're all gonna die some day no matter what our weight is. |
azmouse |
Apr-30-08 10:50 AM |
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fat people who exercise are still much better off than if they gave up exercising |
eShirl |
May-01-08 08:05 AM |
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Let's try to resolve two seemingly-contradictory notions |
Ellen Forradalom |
May-01-08 10:43 AM |
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Wow, I am the the thread TERMINATOR!!!11!! |
Ellen Forradalom |
May-02-08 02:48 AM |
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the idea that anyone cares about the health of fat people demonstrated to be nonsense. |
VotesForWomen |
May-02-08 01:13 PM |
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What about sumo wrestlers? |
sakabatou |
May-02-08 01:57 PM |
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Being 87% higher risk as a fit obese women is miles better than being 250% higher as an unfit one. |
PelosiFan |
May-02-08 06:49 PM |
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It seems to me that the findings show a lot of risk in being obese, active or not. |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 04:14 AM |
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Simply posting about this is judgmental. |
zanne |
May-04-08 09:31 AM |
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Overweight and obesity really aren't moral/ethical issues |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 10:05 AM |
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We've been down that road with smoking; now obesity... |
zanne |
May-04-08 10:38 AM |
#139 |
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Than call me a crock, know-nothing layperson, not "judgmental". |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 11:44 AM |
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Interesting discussion. |
faygokid |
May-04-08 11:59 AM |
#146 |
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That happened to me in my early-mid-30s... |
El Pinko |
May-04-08 12:53 PM |
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people aren't honest about what exercising does to the joints |
pitohui |
May-04-08 01:49 PM |
#151 |
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We all eat too much |
FarCenter |
May-04-08 05:46 PM |
#152 |
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Advertising is a leading influence on overeating |
spooky3 |
May-04-08 06:49 PM |
#154 |
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