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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:39 AM
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31. Great post, especially the following:

"One difference between Americans and folks in other countries--although you'd think we would have learned by now--is our faith in democracy, and especially in the electoral process, that the country's course can be changed."

"I think that's why Edwards, Kucinich and possibly Biden were aced out early in the campaign--pre-emptive strikes against the possibility that the people can outvote the machines..."

"I don't think we can expect a real reformer to get anywhere near the White House, not yet."
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  -Does the world expect too much of ordinary Americans? KitSileya  Apr-24-08 12:00 AM   #0 
  - "With 2 out of 3 presidential candidates  madeline_con   Apr-24-08 12:02 AM   #1 
  - You mean the one who wants to bomb Pakistan instead?  Rage for Order   Apr-24-08 07:57 PM   #53 
  - No. If we're exporting democracy, we need to prove that we know something about it. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-24-08 12:03 AM   #2 
  - So says a supporter of one of the 2 nuclear war boosters. nt  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 12:57 AM   #8 
     - Aren't you afraid that hanging out with us "racists"...  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-24-08 01:19 AM   #11 
        - Racism is "good manners"?  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 01:21 AM   #12 
           - No. Here, let me explain.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-24-08 01:33 AM   #13 
              - Okay, so you're a racist and misogynist.  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 01:52 AM   #14 
              - No, it's just you I don't like. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-24-08 02:01 AM   #17 
                 - Oh, I know you don't like black people or women.  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 02:06 AM   #18 
                 - And all other women and black people. Good night, Mr. Hannity. nt.  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 02:20 AM   #20 
              - Ok, it seem there's more going on between the two of you  KitSileya   Apr-24-08 01:53 AM   #15 
                 - Ugh, I'd rather not. I've been stalked by far too many of his kind as it is. nt  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 02:13 AM   #19 
                    - The posts in this thread make apparent who's stalking who. Go away. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-24-08 02:25 AM   #21 
                       - Talk to me about stalking  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 09:27 AM   #26 
                          - no.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-24-08 09:56 AM   #27 
  - Americans are unbelievably ignorant regarding other countries.  DS1   Apr-24-08 12:10 AM   #3 
  - and other countries know it too.  alyce douglas   Apr-24-08 10:11 AM   #28 
  - well as the true nature of their own.  Echo In Light   Apr-24-08 10:13 AM   #29 
  - Yet Americans insist on being a "superpower" and "leading the world."  Xap   Apr-24-08 06:10 PM   #50 
  - No other national is judged as harshly as our people are  melody   Apr-24-08 12:24 AM   #4 
  - protection? We use that LIE to build EMPIRE  Donnachaidh   Apr-24-08 12:34 AM   #6 
  - Beautiful, your response and what it was to.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-24-08 12:50 AM   #7 
  - Traditionally conservative? Why?  melody   Apr-24-08 11:49 AM   #35 
     - I didn't mean it in a bad way.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-24-08 11:12 PM   #54 
        - These views are deeply entrenched from decades of rightist propaganda  Echo In Light   Apr-25-08 07:10 AM   #57 
           - Melody - that wasn't directed at you in particular, as your views are more well rounded than that  Echo In Light   Apr-25-08 07:13 AM   #58 
           - I see it as the difference between Marxism and Soviet rule.  napoleon_in_rags   Apr-25-08 12:53 PM   #59 
  - Whether we are or aren't "protecting" anyone isn't the question -- we ARE paying for it  melody   Apr-24-08 11:40 AM   #33 
  - I guess the question is whether the world appreciates having the US as police  KitSileya   Apr-24-08 01:57 AM   #16 
  - Oh, I hope they do -- and I hope they have to pay for it also  melody   Apr-24-08 11:41 AM   #34 
     - Well, Norway was the only one to voice concern about this shield  KitSileya   Apr-24-08 03:04 PM   #38 
        - Why blame a people who don't even have medical care or a decent educational system?  melody   Apr-24-08 05:34 PM   #45 
  - Well, I suppose you piss the rest of us off more than anyone else does  mr blur   Apr-24-08 04:12 PM   #40 
  - I haven't said a word to you ... when have I?  melody   Apr-24-08 05:36 PM   #46 
  - I think that protection probably is largely an excuse to sell military hardware.  lostnfound   Apr-24-08 05:27 PM   #44 
     - Yes, but the leaders share in the largesse. There are kickbacks and there are kickbacks  melody   Apr-24-08 05:38 PM   #47 
  - Not at all -- Americans need to step up to the plate.  Donnachaidh   Apr-24-08 12:28 AM   #5 
  - I'm not sure I understand you  KitSileya   Apr-24-08 02:43 AM   #22 
  - We're not arrogant loudmouths and most of us don't watch American Idol  melody   Apr-24-08 11:50 AM   #36 
  - Do we blame ordinary Germans?  snot   Apr-24-08 01:16 AM   #9 
  - Many "ordinary" Germans were onboard with Hitler  nichomachus   Apr-24-08 06:01 PM   #49 
  - Americans have had every conceivable advantage.  thecatburgler   Apr-24-08 01:16 AM   #10 
  - I completely agree, and they've had some stuff figured out for quite a while.  Peace Patriot   Apr-24-08 04:22 AM   #23 
  - Great post, especially the following:  raccoon   Apr-24-08 10:39 AM   #31 
  - Determining the nature of the majority by a sampling of a minority of its members is bigotry  melody   Apr-24-08 11:52 AM   #37 
  - I answer your question with another question.  canetoad   Apr-24-08 04:41 AM   #24 
  - One caveat - I'm not American myself.  KitSileya   Apr-24-08 07:18 AM   #25 
  - Good thread and important questions to be asked  Indenturedebtor   Apr-24-08 10:59 AM   #32 
  - Oops. Sorry about that  canetoad   Apr-24-08 04:52 PM   #41 
  - I like your bi line of Think For Yourself and Question Authority.  alyce douglas   Apr-24-08 10:27 AM   #30 
  - First of all your honesty is appreciated  Indenturedebtor   Apr-24-08 05:13 PM   #43 
  - naaa, they stupidly believe that we should stand up for our rights.  Javaman   Apr-24-08 03:30 PM   #39 
  - Yes, because we had the chance to elect those who make the policies  treestar   Apr-24-08 04:53 PM   #42 
  - As someone pointed out about the good Germans further up  Hydra   Apr-24-08 05:39 PM   #48 
  - Let's put it this way - not any more.  Canuckistanian   Apr-24-08 07:33 PM   #51 
  - Don't blame me. I wanted Edwards in the Oval.  bobbolink   Apr-24-08 07:36 PM   #52 
  - Well, I'm part of 'the rest of the world'...  LeftishBrit   Apr-25-08 03:09 AM   #55 
  - People from other countries don't understand how  clyrc   Apr-25-08 07:03 AM   #56 

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