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What is the thought about McCain's connection with the Forrestal fire? [View All]

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What is the thought about McCain's connection with the Forrestal fire?
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Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his A-4. 'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration, along with 167 of his fellow Forrestal shipmates (including those who died later from wounds suffered). 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots. McCain was quickly (they were still counting the Forrestal dead) transferred to the USS Oriskany (the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred).


John McCain And The USS Forrestal Fire

John McCain And The USS Forrestal Fire

USS Forrestal In 1967

132 Dead Sailors, And Countless Wounded

A Small Rocket Hit A Fuel Tank On Another Plane

Where Is The Truth Here?

I have heard five versions of the Forrestal fire, but this one makes sense.

McCain Aviation Career

McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.

Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?

Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.

Incompetence Or A Stunt

'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design

In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

The Carrier Oriskany

The USS Oriskany came along side to treat the wounded.

Wounded Flown Out

They were transferred to other ships.

McCain Left With The Wounded

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred

The Forrestal Crew

I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.
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  What is the thought about McCain's connection with the Forrestal fire? LiberalFighter  Apr-22-08 07:06 PM   #0 
   Of all the things we can hit McCain with...  Cooley Hurd   Apr-22-08 07:08 PM   #1 
   You are completely correct. nt  Crabby Appleton   Apr-22-08 07:14 PM   #2 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-08 07:15 PM   #3 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-08 07:21 PM   #4 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-08 07:23 PM   #5 
      What have YOU done for MY party, Ms Nebraska?  Cooley Hurd   Apr-22-08 07:24 PM   #6 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-08 07:28 PM   #9 
      Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-22-08 07:30 PM   #11 
      McCain should be given the opportunity to respond to these  JDPriestly   Apr-23-08 03:27 AM   #30 
      Do I sense to much anger?  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Apr-22-08 07:29 PM   #10 
         It's 'too'. Too much anger.  acmavm   Apr-22-08 07:30 PM   #12 
         When someone accuses me of being a "McCain lover," you bet yer ass it pisses me off...  Cooley Hurd   Apr-22-08 07:31 PM   #13 
   This kind of crap is not needed from Democrats  RamboLiberal   Apr-22-08 07:35 PM   #15 
   I couldn't disagree more.  DCKit   Apr-22-08 07:25 PM   #7 
      I agree, but I've not read anything credible that blames McCain for the Forrestal fire...  Cooley Hurd   Apr-22-08 07:26 PM   #8 
   That story is a piece of crap  RamboLiberal   Apr-22-08 07:33 PM   #14 
   Why the anger? Just asking about the validity of it.  LiberalFighter   Apr-22-08 07:36 PM   #17 
   I'm getting tired of DU'ers posting this story  RamboLiberal   Apr-22-08 07:47 PM   #21 
   Oh, you McCain lover!  Cooley Hurd   Apr-22-08 07:38 PM   #18 
   My thought is "Easy Target"  catnhatnh   Apr-22-08 07:36 PM   #16 
   McCain was a walking cluster fuck while he was in the Navy  lpbk2713   Apr-22-08 07:42 PM   #19 
   FIVE AIRCRAFT? He's an ACE!!!  trof   Apr-22-08 07:46 PM   #20 
   What would be a normal number of planes for a pilot to crash?  JDPriestly   Apr-23-08 03:29 AM   #31 
      For me it was zero in over 35 years.  trof   Apr-23-08 08:44 AM   #33 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-22-08 07:49 PM   #22 
   Did we? We all thought a guy who didn't go AWOL in 'Nam could be a good CIC...  Cooley Hurd   Apr-22-08 07:53 PM   #23 
   You make a valid point and  bbinacan   Apr-22-08 08:15 PM   #25 
   Again - not to blame for the Forrestal  RamboLiberal   Apr-22-08 07:54 PM   #24 
      Look, even if McCain didn't cause these incidents, you really  JDPriestly   Apr-23-08 03:34 AM   #32 
   I have no horse in this race; but the self-censorship here is pathetic...  arendt   Apr-22-08 08:39 PM   #26 
   First I've Heard Of This, And I Served on the Forrestal in the late 80's  Toasterlad   Apr-22-08 09:34 PM   #27 
      Me, too. 1972-3 with VMFA-531  sutz12   Apr-22-08 09:48 PM   #28 
         The McCain connection comes from him being in the plane the missile hit.  mvccd1000   Apr-23-08 12:03 AM   #29 
 

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