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191. And you seem to be missing mine.
That was no jab.

It was, in fact, an effort at a bit of peacemaking, but you're free to make of it what you will.

I was pointing out that MANY here are upset merely because they are being challenged on their cherished beliefs, as we do with the conservatives.

However, we laugh at them when they reject our challenges, but kick and cry when our own are challenged.

Sometimes it helps to recognize ourselves in the "other".

The whole point of protest, as Martin Luther King kept trying to point out, is to CONVERT the other side, not to beat them into submission. We continually want to beat down the conservatives, when the truth is that we share many traits with them.

I lose patience with them, also, but I see right in this thread the commonalities, and it's time to recognize those commonalities, if we ever want to actually convert them, rather than to bury them and declare victory.

Take from that what you will.

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  -How Reagan Created "The Homeless," & Why Charity Can't Fix It Hannah Bell  Apr-03-08 11:38 PM   #0 
  - Excellent post  Ellen Forradalom   Apr-03-08 11:43 PM   #1 
  - Jogging clubs are great, in the presence of economic change.  Hannah Bell   Apr-03-08 11:47 PM   #3 
  - I remember the aftermath of his lovely governorship here. Suddenly, with funding cut  calimary   Apr-04-08 02:29 AM   #25 
  - If my mom's bout with alcoholism had occurred five years later  sfexpat2000   Apr-04-08 11:23 AM   #57 
  - Actually, that is not quite accurate. MOST of the emptying of institutions happened earlier.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:26 PM   #100 
  - Pulled out of the OP for emphasis:  Raksha   Apr-04-08 03:48 PM   #111 
  - Thank you. I'm coming to the conclusion that most people just can't grasp what is done to us, unles  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:11 PM   #115 
  - In my experience, "means-testing" is one of the sickest notions  Raksha   Apr-04-08 04:55 PM   #124 
     - The point is, we're just supposed to DIE. It isn't enough to live on, we don't have  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:59 PM   #126 
        - i empathizes w/your situation but,  psychmommy   Apr-04-08 08:15 PM   #160 
  - excellent  Two Americas   Apr-04-08 05:25 PM   #134 
  - You are so right. People practically assume that homeless people are  JDPriestly   Apr-04-08 06:56 PM   #150 
  - "Most of us go through a form of depression ........ We call it grief"  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:58 AM   #200 
  - Even so, ronnie did cut the funding further, and that's just one area in which he did so.  calimary   Apr-04-08 11:00 PM   #175 
     - Yes, Raygun cut it did Carter, so did Clinton.  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 01:13 PM   #208 
  - Lived in CA during his presidency!!  boilerbabe   Apr-04-08 10:32 PM   #169 
     - It was awful during that time. I was SO frustrated!  calimary   Apr-04-08 11:46 PM   #178 
  - Naomi Klein's book on 'disaster capitalism' is a must read nt  EVDebs   Apr-04-08 09:07 PM   #162 
     - Excellent book recommendations!  boilerbabe   Apr-04-08 10:37 PM   #171 
        - now what  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 12:21 PM   #202 
  - Reagan also cut funding to mental health and effectively emptied mental health hospitals  nashville_brook   Apr-03-08 11:46 PM   #2 
  - Don't forget the community based half way houses...  WCGreen   Apr-03-08 11:48 PM   #4 
  - I also remember that well  Ellen Forradalom   Apr-03-08 11:48 PM   #5 
  - You got that wrong  Giant Robot   Apr-04-08 08:09 AM   #44 
  - Reagan didn't have the power of the purse.  Rosemary2205   Apr-03-08 11:55 PM   #8 
  - Reagan was governor of California when he did that. The hospitals closed, but the money for the rest  Hekate   Apr-04-08 12:05 AM   #10 
  - In Texas, they did this with the State School system  Horse with no Name   Apr-04-08 01:23 AM   #19 
  - I Had an aunt in the state hospital in CA then and then she was moved into  eagertolearn   Apr-04-08 10:36 PM   #170 
     - I'm so sorry. I'm in SB also. Because of my work on a County commission I know abt "dual diagnosis"  Hekate   Apr-05-08 01:59 AM   #182 
        - So, in your estimation, most homeless people are "mentally ill", and we should all be locked up?  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:10 AM   #186 
           - Get off it. I never said that. I never implied that. It's not true. But abandoning the weakest...  Hekate   Apr-05-08 01:30 PM   #210 
              - Even though it's been pointed out repeatedly that mentally ill people are a very small percentage  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 03:56 PM   #215 
              - "your cause?"  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 04:11 PM   #217 
  - While it is sacrilege to post it here I would remind the denizens of DU  greyhound1966   Apr-04-08 11:09 PM   #176 
  - How DARE you point out the foibles of some Dems!!!  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:14 AM   #187 
  - it is even more uncomfortable than that  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 12:44 PM   #204 
     - How DARE you suggest that we look at ourselves!!  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 01:03 PM   #206 
  - And it was a republi-CON congress.  calimary   Apr-04-08 11:54 PM   #180 
     - they represent us  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 03:40 PM   #213 
  - "...emptied mental health hospitals into the streets."  KansDem   Apr-04-08 11:30 AM   #59 
  - Hey! You're talking about my life! ^_^  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:36 PM   #105 
     - I've been a librarian for over 15 years...  KansDem   Apr-04-08 05:05 PM   #130 
        - "Sound familiar?" Thankfully, I can say it's not something I've been subjected to.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 05:37 PM   #138 
        - Yikes...  bliss_eternal   Apr-04-08 09:55 PM   #165 
  - This was big where I lived back then  Ohio Joe   Apr-04-08 01:49 PM   #76 
  - please see response #100  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:34 PM   #103 
  - I'm get confused about the definition of "homeless"  Rosemary2205   Apr-03-08 11:50 PM   #6 
  - a continuum, maybe?  Two Americas   Apr-04-08 12:48 AM   #17 
  - Great point!  calimary   Apr-05-08 12:02 AM   #181 
  - yes  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 04:46 PM   #218 
  - Jogging is part of a particular mindset, a particular obsession with self-improvement and self-  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:18 AM   #188 
  - Homeless people are people whom do NOT have their own address!  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 11:18 AM   #53 
  - Well fraking done.  kgfnally   Apr-03-08 11:50 PM   #7 
  - I, too, remember when "beggars" were something other countries had, & we were proud we didn't  Hekate   Apr-03-08 11:58 PM   #9 
  - Yep, I remember when people used to brag about it & say it demonstrated  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 12:15 AM   #13 
  - Great observations  BushDespiser12   Apr-04-08 12:10 AM   #11 
  - Perhaps you can straighten my thinking out about "jobs"  SimpleTrend   Apr-04-08 12:11 AM   #12 
  - By increasing the amount the worker keeps, and reducing the  NCevilDUer   Apr-04-08 12:21 AM   #14 
  - too good for them.  zonmoy   Apr-04-08 06:57 PM   #151 
  - You have just explained Marx's primary point in Das Capital, more or less.  readmoreoften   Apr-04-08 02:45 AM   #29 
  - You ask a very important question, and it's too bad it's not getting response.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:38 PM   #106 
  - I am sorry  Two Americas   Apr-04-08 05:33 PM   #137 
     - Now THERE'S an idea!  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:20 AM   #189 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Apr-04-08 12:25 AM   #15 
  - I hope to see this at the top of the Greatest page.  bleever   Apr-04-08 12:47 AM   #16 
  - K and R  Two Americas   Apr-04-08 01:09 AM   #18 
  - Very important information!  arundhatiroyfan   Apr-04-08 01:59 AM   #20 
  - I'm going to cheer for cell phones and jogging and anything  sfexpat2000   Apr-04-08 02:08 AM   #21 
  - Networks - of what? n/t  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 02:24 AM   #23 
     - Of people working for change. We used to call that "community".  sfexpat2000   Apr-04-08 02:30 AM   #26 
     - How is giving people cellphones & jogging lessons  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 02:49 AM   #31 
        - Your points are *very* well taken...  ljm2002   Apr-04-08 10:20 AM   #49 
        - Exactly. n/t  sfexpat2000   Apr-04-08 11:22 AM   #56 
        - I believe that comes from society's unwillingness to deal AT ALL with  SimpleTrend   Apr-04-08 12:34 PM   #65 
        - Treating the symptom often DOES work...  ljm2002   Apr-04-08 01:47 PM   #75 
           - No, we don't disagree.  SimpleTrend   Apr-04-08 02:04 PM   #80 
           - Well, then, think for a moment how conservatives feel, when we continually call them to task.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:13 PM   #116 
              - Hmmm, you seem to be missing my point a bit...  ljm2002   Apr-04-08 06:04 PM   #141 
                 - no one is saying that, are they?  Two Americas   Apr-04-08 07:03 PM   #153 
                 - Exactly. How often must we keep repeating this?  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:23 AM   #190 
                 - And you seem to be missing mine.  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:27 AM   #191 
        - "That's great, but we also need people working on the larger problem which is: ...".  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:42 PM   #108 
        - Straw man...  ljm2002   Apr-04-08 06:07 PM   #142 
        - shouldn't be, but it is  Two Americas   Apr-04-08 05:59 PM   #140 
           - Good grief!  ljm2002   Apr-04-08 06:21 PM   #145 
           - can't speak for them  Two Americas   Apr-04-08 06:46 PM   #149 
           - "HOWEVER, it really bugs me that so many people -- often of the conservative stripe, by the way "  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:31 AM   #193 
           - When was that time, again? I'm having a hard time remembering....  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:29 AM   #192 
        - Then you are missing an opportunity of bringing people into  sfexpat2000   Apr-04-08 11:02 AM   #50 
           - We share it all the time. Most choose to reject. So be it.  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:32 AM   #194 
           - not really  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 12:30 PM   #203 
              - Much better than my reply... strike mine.  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 01:05 PM   #207 
     - The fact is, there are four things in US history that have  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 02:36 AM   #27 
        - 100% agreed.  readmoreoften   Apr-04-08 02:47 AM   #30 
        - No one is arguing for bootstrap pulling but for inclusion.  sfexpat2000   Apr-04-08 11:20 AM   #54 
        - In Philly..........  rucognizant   Apr-04-08 07:43 PM   #155 
  - they not only cut the budgets--they tore the rooming houses and cheap hotels down  librechik   Apr-04-08 02:10 AM   #22 
  - I'm seeing a growing number of McMansions standing empty  joneschick   Apr-04-08 01:02 PM   #70 
  - Hey that's a great idea!--  librechik   Apr-04-08 01:12 PM   #73 
  - Here's a thought... some muddleclass activists join with some homeless activists and take over those  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:44 PM   #109 
  - Could you please tell me, again, why I and so many other disabled people should  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:35 AM   #195 
  - Agree with you 100%! Cell phones & jogging are just feel good band aids on the problem. nt  TheGoldenRule   Apr-04-08 02:26 AM   #24 
  - Awesome Post!  Avalon Sparks   Apr-04-08 02:40 AM   #28 
  - Remember , we once had Franklin Delano Roosevelt a President who understood the meaning of charity  bushmeister0   Apr-04-08 02:52 AM   #32 
  - I totally agree. A bunch of manufactured controversy -  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 03:00 AM   #33 
  - So say we all!  bushmeister0   Apr-04-08 03:24 AM   #34 
  - more from that speech  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 03:49 PM   #214 
  - More fruits of the Republican Revolution.  Perry Logan   Apr-04-08 05:33 AM   #35 
  - Democrats have been complicit. Please stop placing all the blame on the easy target.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:47 PM   #110 
  - There is a screech of "class warfare" whenever the truth is told..  annabanana   Apr-04-08 05:39 AM   #36 
  - On target! "Liberals" don't like being corrected anymore than conservatives do.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 03:49 PM   #112 
  - Well you may not remember it, and it's always fun to blame things on Reagan  MadHound   Apr-04-08 06:00 AM   #37 
  - Blame sometimes falls where it''s deserved  digidigido   Apr-04-08 12:56 PM   #68 
     - or it keeps falling on a scapegoat  Two Americas   Apr-05-08 01:00 PM   #205 
  - This is really a great post.  emperor72   Apr-04-08 06:13 AM   #38 
  - And the burden falls on veterans, too.  unhappycamper   Apr-04-08 07:19 AM   #39 
  - In 1971 I was the young wife of a professor of Spanish. We were  tblue37   Apr-04-08 07:29 AM   #40 
  - To the at least 2.3 million people who are homeless, add the  mqbush   Apr-04-08 07:46 AM   #41 
  - Thanks for this excellent analysis. I hope we will be able to make change happen. nt  ThruTheLookingGlass   Apr-04-08 07:52 AM   #42 
  - Amen!  noel711   Apr-04-08 08:01 AM   #43 
  - K & R: Thank you.  LWolf   Apr-04-08 08:15 AM   #45 
  - Thank you! a good starting place would be the National Housing Trust Fund,  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 01:19 PM   #209 
  - Edit: Dupe.  LWolf   Apr-04-08 08:17 AM   #46 
  - awesome post  il_lilac   Apr-04-08 08:23 AM   #47 
  - What an incredible post. K & R. n/t  GOPBasher   Apr-04-08 08:36 AM   #48 
  - What homeless problem?  Wednesdays   Apr-04-08 11:06 AM   #51 
  - That's what Newsom is trying to do here and we've had to fight him  sfexpat2000   Apr-04-08 11:25 AM   #58 
  - This started before he was president...  kisserofsinners   Apr-04-08 11:13 AM   #52 
  - And then the asshole went national to destroy all Gov. and social programs!  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 11:20 AM   #55 
  - Just to Highlight Something You Posted  fascisthunter   Apr-04-08 11:38 AM   #60 
  - But...but...but....Ronnie Raygun elimated all those Welfare Queens  whistle   Apr-04-08 12:05 PM   #61 
  - Oh, I'm sure that there were "welfare queens" driving cadillacs.  NCevilDUer   Apr-04-08 12:52 PM   #67 
     - BINGO! And the same dynamic is building now, with the war wagons...  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:41 AM   #196 
  - Reagan's Vision  Baby Snooks   Apr-04-08 12:06 PM   #62 
  - Detroit was crippled by a one-two punch of Reaganism and Big-3 Greed  MrScorpio   Apr-04-08 12:18 PM   #63 
  - K and R  gademocrat7   Apr-04-08 12:24 PM   #64 
  - unfortunately, I find a major problem with this  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 12:36 PM   #66 
  - 'Between 1980 and 1989, HUD's budget authority was cut from $74 billion to $19 billion'  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 01:05 PM   #71 
  - I cannot verify that either  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 02:13 PM   #82 
     - Please go to the Fed Link.  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 02:38 PM   #86 
     - The reporter would have verified the facts but here.... more verification...same numbers.  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 02:42 PM   #87 
        - I have read the Daily Howler too much to trust journalists  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 03:05 PM   #95 
           - How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 03:15 PM   #96 
           - Yep, I agree. Can't trust journalists to fact-check.  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 03:18 PM   #98 
           - since you have no way to verify it  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 03:27 PM   #102 
  - Please go to this link: HUD 1983, from the Fed.  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 01:55 PM   #77 
  - except that "budget authority" does NOT represent an actual amount spent  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 02:54 PM   #93 
     - Come on now... Part of the strategy was also not to spend what had been authorized  Morereason   Apr-04-08 11:51 PM   #179 
        - part of "whose" strategy  hfojvt   Apr-05-08 03:40 PM   #212 
  - Try this Link with your major problem  digidigido   Apr-04-08 02:01 PM   #78 
     - thank you, now I totally feel vindicated  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 02:48 PM   #90 
        - As I understand, the budget authority affects their ability to carry  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 03:02 PM   #94 
        - that sounds kinda like privatization  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 03:18 PM   #97 
           - Yeah, I'm getting the impression something like that was the effect.  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 03:39 PM   #107 
        - WOW!!! You are actually saying that the homelessness caused by Raygun was "imaginary"?  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 03:20 PM   #99 
        - homelessness is not imaginary  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 03:34 PM   #104 
           - Raygun and his cronies (who weren't convicted until later) were the culprits, pure and simple!!  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 07:49 PM   #156 
              - the "blame" for Carter comes from the same place  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 10:42 PM   #172 
        - "kinda disgusting to see how much money the government spends on housing subsidies for the wealthier  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:51 PM   #121 
           - well, it is at the link  hfojvt   Apr-04-08 05:18 PM   #133 
              - Fantastic. Thank you so much! This is a great help to me in a project I'm  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 05:32 PM   #136 
  - Thank you so much!  Utopian Leftist   Apr-04-08 12:59 PM   #69 
  - I read every word of this  varelse   Apr-04-08 01:11 PM   #72 
  - When he fired the Air Traffic Controllers it became  Sherman A1   Apr-04-08 01:41 PM   #74 
  - Yep...  dajoki   Apr-04-08 02:09 PM   #81 
  - I dont know if anyone else remembers this, but when Regan got elected  ladywnch   Apr-04-08 02:01 PM   #79 
  - The root cause of most of our problems is the offshoring of manufacturing jobs which created ...  AdHocSolver   Apr-04-08 02:14 PM   #83 
  - Don't forget the War on Iraq and the Tax Cuts for the big ball of crap!  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 02:46 PM   #88 
  - Excellent Perspective, and absolutely correct  digidigido   Apr-04-08 03:58 PM   #113 
  - Not if he doesn't include IRAQ!!! n/t  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 07:55 PM   #159 
  - That's not the root cause of homelessness.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:24 PM   #117 
     - The conditions you noted are not the ROOT cause, but the result of exported jobs and huge deficits.  AdHocSolver   Apr-04-08 04:51 PM   #120 
        - I beg to differ. The real HOUSING CRISIS was before Nafta, et al.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:53 PM   #123 
           - If you are out of work or work for minimum wage, you can't afford any housing, low-income or not.  AdHocSolver   Apr-04-08 06:12 PM   #143 
              - The root of the problem is a combination and Iraq would be at the top! n/t  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 07:52 PM   #157 
              - What jobs were being exported in the 1960s, since you insist on this?  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:44 AM   #197 
  - BLASPHEMER!  Atman   Apr-04-08 02:16 PM   #84 
  - and catsup bottles, it is a vegetable after all....  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 02:49 PM   #91 
  - Remind me again....  Rage for Order   Apr-04-08 02:28 PM   #85 
  - Are you defending Raygun?! Please say it isn't so....  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 02:48 PM   #89 
     - No, I'm defending accuracy  Rage for Order   Apr-05-08 12:18 PM   #201 
  - Hmmmm... 65 billion... what might government be doing with that money?  KamaAina   Apr-04-08 02:51 PM   #92 
  - And, once again, stopping the war does NOT automatically mean the $$ would be put into housing for  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:26 PM   #118 
     - The point was that defunding housing helped feed St. Raygun's war machine  KamaAina   Apr-04-08 04:52 PM   #122 
        - Ah, you were talking about the other wars... there are so many, it's easy to get confused.  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:56 PM   #125 
        - I was talking about them all  KamaAina   Apr-04-08 05:10 PM   #132 
        - 81% ARE awake and have been complaining for years...maybe "they" weren't listening?  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 07:53 PM   #158 
  - "True charity means more  otherlander   Apr-04-08 03:27 PM   #101 
  - Where does that quote come from?  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 04:27 PM   #119 
     - not sure where the quote is from  mdmc   Apr-04-08 05:03 PM   #128 
     - mlk? n/t  Hannah Bell   Apr-04-08 05:05 PM   #129 
     - MLK said it.  otherlander   Apr-04-08 05:09 PM   #131 
        - "True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It  bobbolink   Apr-04-08 05:29 PM   #135 
  - Wonderful post!!!!  Herdin_Cats   Apr-04-08 03:59 PM   #114 
  - all "trickle-down economics" means is that the people on the bottom are getting pissed on.  QuestionAll   Apr-04-08 05:02 PM   #127 
  - K&R n/t  Orwellian_Ghost   Apr-04-08 05:49 PM   #139 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-08 06:19 PM   #144 
  - Reagan - No wonder the rich adore him!  1776Forever   Apr-04-08 06:22 PM   #146 
  - Outstanding post  JFN1   Apr-04-08 06:28 PM   #147 
  - IM A REPUBLICAN AND I DONT BELIEVE THIS CRAP  happygoluckytoyou   Apr-04-08 06:43 PM   #148 
  - I read Ayn Rand and I agree  Wetzelbill   Apr-04-08 07:12 PM   #154 
  - Bless you  creeksneakers2   Apr-04-08 07:03 PM   #152 
  - Reagan did create homelessness in Houston  texastoast   Apr-04-08 08:46 PM   #161 
  - Part of Raygun "getting big govt. out of our pockets".....  southerncrone   Apr-04-08 09:14 PM   #163 
  - OK, we know that happened, but that's in the past.  totodeinhere   Apr-04-08 09:36 PM   #164 
  - It lingers and that's what people don't takes YEARS to overcome being homeless...  Breeze54   Apr-04-08 10:28 PM   #168 
  - This is a great post..  boilerbabe   Apr-04-08 10:14 PM   #166 
  - Thanks!  TransitJohn   Apr-04-08 10:17 PM   #167 
  - Bring back Marx, or invite Muhammed  greengestalt   Apr-04-08 10:43 PM   #173 
  - FUCK! I was too busy at my "new economy" job to catch this in time to recommend.  greyhound1966   Apr-04-08 10:58 PM   #174 
  - Thank you greyhound, 1966!!!  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:46 AM   #198 
  - Great post. Thank you for your work for change. REC.  pnwmom   Apr-04-08 11:17 PM   #177 
  - It's funny,  blindpig   Apr-05-08 07:21 AM   #183 
  - If we were to all recognize the truth in what you are saying, we would indeed have HOPE!  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 11:48 AM   #199 
  - Reagan was a symptom, not the disease.  Orsino   Apr-05-08 01:53 PM   #211 
  - you are a very dangerous person to the establishment  datasuspect   Apr-05-08 07:35 AM   #184 
  - Until Ronald Reagen is something,  agincourt   Apr-05-08 10:21 AM   #185 
  - And how is that going to happen?  bobbolink   Apr-05-08 03:59 PM   #216 
  - We have to overcome the brainwashing. This is not America. n/t  greyhound1966   Apr-06-08 10:53 PM   #219 
  - Kick  Opposite Reaction   Apr-07-08 01:38 PM   #220 
  - There are a lot of mentally ill on the streets in Los Angeles...  Juniperx   Apr-07-08 01:49 PM   #221 
  - Thom Hartmann gave this piece a strong shout-out and commentary!!  chknltl   Apr-07-08 02:14 PM   #222 

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