| 49. Your points are *very* well taken... |
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...there are indeed structural issues that have happened within our lifetimes (well, some of our lifetimes  ), and the "feel-good stories" can work against change in some of the ways that you point out. However. We are where we are now, and many of the problems faced by people in these situations are urgent. So rather than discouraging those who are providing short-term relief in whatever form, one might for example say, "That's great, but we also need people working on the larger problem which is: ...". In other words: I'm sure you are also old enough to remember this popular formulation: "It's not either/or, it's both/and." We don't have to do one or the other thing, we can do both: we must do what we can to alleviate current and short-term problems, while working on future and long-term solutions. It gets back to a fundamental issue that has often struck me as strange, namely, the tendency of people to claim that we should not treat symptoms, but rather must find the fundamental causes and treat those. This irritates me to no end because it sounds perfectly plausible, yet it is far, far from the truth about how we can and should deal with many things. Basically it is a fundamentally flawed premise, because there are many situations where you can and must deal with symptoms first: if your child has a 105 degree fever, do you hold off on doing anything because you don't know the cause of the fever? Of course not, that's insane! The fever can kill the child! What you do while investigating the cause, is you LOWER THE FEVER and SAVE THE CHILD'S LIFE so they can actually live to benefit from it when you get to the root cause and fix it. Anyway, again I'd like to reiterate: when we are looking at ways to help in whatever arena, it is not necessarily either/or, it can also be both/and.
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| -How Reagan Created "The Homeless," & Why Charity Can't Fix It |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-03-08 11:38 PM |
#0 |
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Excellent post |
Ellen Forradalom |
Apr-03-08 11:43 PM |
#1 |
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Jogging clubs are great, in the presence of economic change. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-03-08 11:47 PM |
#3 |
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I remember the aftermath of his lovely governorship here. Suddenly, with funding cut |
calimary |
Apr-04-08 02:29 AM |
#25 |
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If my mom's bout with alcoholism had occurred five years later |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-04-08 11:23 AM |
#57 |
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Actually, that is not quite accurate. MOST of the emptying of institutions happened earlier. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:26 PM |
#100 |
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Pulled out of the OP for emphasis: |
Raksha |
Apr-04-08 03:48 PM |
#111 |
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Thank you. I'm coming to the conclusion that most people just can't grasp what is done to us, unles |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:11 PM |
#115 |
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In my experience, "means-testing" is one of the sickest notions |
Raksha |
Apr-04-08 04:55 PM |
#124 |
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The point is, we're just supposed to DIE. It isn't enough to live on, we don't have |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:59 PM |
#126 |
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i empathizes w/your situation but, |
psychmommy |
Apr-04-08 08:15 PM |
#160 |
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excellent |
Two Americas |
Apr-04-08 05:25 PM |
#134 |
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You are so right. People practically assume that homeless people are |
JDPriestly |
Apr-04-08 06:56 PM |
#150 |
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"Most of us go through a form of depression ........ We call it grief" |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:58 AM |
#200 |
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Even so, ronnie did cut the funding further, and that's just one area in which he did so. |
calimary |
Apr-04-08 11:00 PM |
#175 |
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Yes, Raygun cut it further...so did Carter, so did Clinton. |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 01:13 PM |
#208 |
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Lived in CA during his presidency!! |
boilerbabe |
Apr-04-08 10:32 PM |
#169 |
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It was awful during that time. I was SO frustrated! |
calimary |
Apr-04-08 11:46 PM |
#178 |
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Naomi Klein's book on 'disaster capitalism' is a must read nt |
EVDebs |
Apr-04-08 09:07 PM |
#162 |
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Excellent book recommendations! |
boilerbabe |
Apr-04-08 10:37 PM |
#171 |
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now what |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 12:21 PM |
#202 |
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Reagan also cut funding to mental health and effectively emptied mental health hospitals |
nashville_brook |
Apr-03-08 11:46 PM |
#2 |
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Don't forget the community based half way houses... |
WCGreen |
Apr-03-08 11:48 PM |
#4 |
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I also remember that well |
Ellen Forradalom |
Apr-03-08 11:48 PM |
#5 |
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You got that wrong |
Giant Robot |
Apr-04-08 08:09 AM |
#44 |
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Reagan didn't have the power of the purse. |
Rosemary2205 |
Apr-03-08 11:55 PM |
#8 |
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Reagan was governor of California when he did that. The hospitals closed, but the money for the rest |
Hekate |
Apr-04-08 12:05 AM |
#10 |
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In Texas, they did this with the State School system |
Horse with no Name |
Apr-04-08 01:23 AM |
#19 |
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I Had an aunt in the state hospital in CA then and then she was moved into |
eagertolearn |
Apr-04-08 10:36 PM |
#170 |
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I'm so sorry. I'm in SB also. Because of my work on a County commission I know abt "dual diagnosis" |
Hekate |
Apr-05-08 01:59 AM |
#182 |
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So, in your estimation, most homeless people are "mentally ill", and we should all be locked up? |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:10 AM |
#186 |
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Get off it. I never said that. I never implied that. It's not true. But abandoning the weakest... |
Hekate |
Apr-05-08 01:30 PM |
#210 |
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Even though it's been pointed out repeatedly that mentally ill people are a very small percentage |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 03:56 PM |
#215 |
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"your cause?" |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 04:11 PM |
#217 |
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While it is sacrilege to post it here I would remind the denizens of DU |
greyhound1966 |
Apr-04-08 11:09 PM |
#176 |
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How DARE you point out the foibles of some Dems!!! |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:14 AM |
#187 |
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it is even more uncomfortable than that |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 12:44 PM |
#204 |
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How DARE you suggest that we look at ourselves!! |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 01:03 PM |
#206 |
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And it was a republi-CON congress. |
calimary |
Apr-04-08 11:54 PM |
#180 |
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they represent us |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 03:40 PM |
#213 |
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"...emptied mental health hospitals into the streets." |
KansDem |
Apr-04-08 11:30 AM |
#59 |
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Hey! You're talking about my life! ^_^ |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:36 PM |
#105 |
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I've been a librarian for over 15 years... |
KansDem |
Apr-04-08 05:05 PM |
#130 |
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"Sound familiar?" Thankfully, I can say it's not something I've been subjected to. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 05:37 PM |
#138 |
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Yikes... |
bliss_eternal |
Apr-04-08 09:55 PM |
#165 |
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This was big where I lived back then |
Ohio Joe |
Apr-04-08 01:49 PM |
#76 |
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please see response #100 |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:34 PM |
#103 |
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I'm get confused about the definition of "homeless" |
Rosemary2205 |
Apr-03-08 11:50 PM |
#6 |
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a continuum, maybe? |
Two Americas |
Apr-04-08 12:48 AM |
#17 |
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Great point! |
calimary |
Apr-05-08 12:02 AM |
#181 |
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yes |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 04:46 PM |
#218 |
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Jogging is part of a particular mindset, a particular obsession with self-improvement and self- |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:18 AM |
#188 |
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Homeless people are people whom do NOT have their own address! |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 11:18 AM |
#53 |
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Well fraking done. |
kgfnally |
Apr-03-08 11:50 PM |
#7 |
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I, too, remember when "beggars" were something other countries had, & we were proud we didn't |
Hekate |
Apr-03-08 11:58 PM |
#9 |
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Yep, I remember when people used to brag about it & say it demonstrated |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 12:15 AM |
#13 |
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Great observations |
BushDespiser12 |
Apr-04-08 12:10 AM |
#11 |
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Perhaps you can straighten my thinking out about "jobs" |
SimpleTrend |
Apr-04-08 12:11 AM |
#12 |
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By increasing the amount the worker keeps, and reducing the |
NCevilDUer |
Apr-04-08 12:21 AM |
#14 |
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too good for them. |
zonmoy |
Apr-04-08 06:57 PM |
#151 |
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You have just explained Marx's primary point in Das Capital, more or less. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-04-08 02:45 AM |
#29 |
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You ask a very important question, and it's too bad it's not getting response. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:38 PM |
#106 |
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I am sorry |
Two Americas |
Apr-04-08 05:33 PM |
#137 |
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Now THERE'S an idea! |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:20 AM |
#189 |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Apr-04-08 12:25 AM |
#15 |
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I hope to see this at the top of the Greatest page. |
bleever |
Apr-04-08 12:47 AM |
#16 |
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K and R |
Two Americas |
Apr-04-08 01:09 AM |
#18 |
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Very important information! |
arundhatiroyfan |
Apr-04-08 01:59 AM |
#20 |
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I'm going to cheer for cell phones and jogging and anything |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-04-08 02:08 AM |
#21 |
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Networks - of what? n/t |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 02:24 AM |
#23 |
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Of people working for change. We used to call that "community". |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-04-08 02:30 AM |
#26 |
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How is giving people cellphones & jogging lessons |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 02:49 AM |
#31 |
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Your points are *very* well taken... |
ljm2002 |
Apr-04-08 10:20 AM |
#49 |
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Exactly. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-04-08 11:22 AM |
#56 |
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I believe that comes from society's unwillingness to deal AT ALL with |
SimpleTrend |
Apr-04-08 12:34 PM |
#65 |
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Treating the symptom often DOES work... |
ljm2002 |
Apr-04-08 01:47 PM |
#75 |
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No, we don't disagree. |
SimpleTrend |
Apr-04-08 02:04 PM |
#80 |
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Well, then, think for a moment how conservatives feel, when we continually call them to task. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:13 PM |
#116 |
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Hmmm, you seem to be missing my point a bit... |
ljm2002 |
Apr-04-08 06:04 PM |
#141 |
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no one is saying that, are they? |
Two Americas |
Apr-04-08 07:03 PM |
#153 |
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Exactly. How often must we keep repeating this? |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:23 AM |
#190 |
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And you seem to be missing mine. |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:27 AM |
#191 |
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"That's great, but we also need people working on the larger problem which is: ...". |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:42 PM |
#108 |
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Straw man... |
ljm2002 |
Apr-04-08 06:07 PM |
#142 |
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shouldn't be, but it is |
Two Americas |
Apr-04-08 05:59 PM |
#140 |
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Good grief! |
ljm2002 |
Apr-04-08 06:21 PM |
#145 |
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can't speak for them |
Two Americas |
Apr-04-08 06:46 PM |
#149 |
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"HOWEVER, it really bugs me that so many people -- often of the conservative stripe, by the way " |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:31 AM |
#193 |
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When was that time, again? I'm having a hard time remembering.... |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:29 AM |
#192 |
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Then you are missing an opportunity of bringing people into |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-04-08 11:02 AM |
#50 |
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We share it all the time. Most choose to reject. So be it. |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:32 AM |
#194 |
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not really |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 12:30 PM |
#203 |
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Much better than my reply... strike mine. |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 01:05 PM |
#207 |
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The fact is, there are four things in US history that have |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 02:36 AM |
#27 |
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100% agreed. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-04-08 02:47 AM |
#30 |
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No one is arguing for bootstrap pulling but for inclusion. |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-04-08 11:20 AM |
#54 |
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In Philly.......... |
rucognizant |
Apr-04-08 07:43 PM |
#155 |
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they not only cut the budgets--they tore the rooming houses and cheap hotels down |
librechik |
Apr-04-08 02:10 AM |
#22 |
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I'm seeing a growing number of McMansions standing empty |
joneschick |
Apr-04-08 01:02 PM |
#70 |
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Hey that's a great idea!-- |
librechik |
Apr-04-08 01:12 PM |
#73 |
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Here's a thought... some muddleclass activists join with some homeless activists and take over those |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:44 PM |
#109 |
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Could you please tell me, again, why I and so many other disabled people should |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:35 AM |
#195 |
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Agree with you 100%! Cell phones & jogging are just feel good band aids on the problem. nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Apr-04-08 02:26 AM |
#24 |
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Awesome Post! |
Avalon Sparks |
Apr-04-08 02:40 AM |
#28 |
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Remember , we once had Franklin Delano Roosevelt a President who understood the meaning of charity |
bushmeister0 |
Apr-04-08 02:52 AM |
#32 |
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I totally agree. A bunch of manufactured controversy - |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 03:00 AM |
#33 |
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So say we all! |
bushmeister0 |
Apr-04-08 03:24 AM |
#34 |
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more from that speech |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 03:49 PM |
#214 |
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More fruits of the Republican Revolution. |
Perry Logan |
Apr-04-08 05:33 AM |
#35 |
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Democrats have been complicit. Please stop placing all the blame on the easy target. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:47 PM |
#110 |
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There is a screech of "class warfare" whenever the truth is told.. |
annabanana |
Apr-04-08 05:39 AM |
#36 |
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On target! "Liberals" don't like being corrected anymore than conservatives do. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 03:49 PM |
#112 |
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Well you may not remember it, and it's always fun to blame things on Reagan |
MadHound |
Apr-04-08 06:00 AM |
#37 |
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Blame sometimes falls where it''s deserved |
digidigido |
Apr-04-08 12:56 PM |
#68 |
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or it keeps falling on a scapegoat |
Two Americas |
Apr-05-08 01:00 PM |
#205 |
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This is really a great post. |
emperor72 |
Apr-04-08 06:13 AM |
#38 |
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And the burden falls on veterans, too. |
unhappycamper |
Apr-04-08 07:19 AM |
#39 |
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In 1971 I was the young wife of a professor of Spanish. We were |
tblue37 |
Apr-04-08 07:29 AM |
#40 |
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To the at least 2.3 million people who are homeless, add the |
mqbush |
Apr-04-08 07:46 AM |
#41 |
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Thanks for this excellent analysis. I hope we will be able to make change happen. nt |
ThruTheLookingGlass |
Apr-04-08 07:52 AM |
#42 |
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Amen! |
noel711 |
Apr-04-08 08:01 AM |
#43 |
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K & R: Thank you. |
LWolf |
Apr-04-08 08:15 AM |
#45 |
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Thank you! a good starting place would be the National Housing Trust Fund, |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 01:19 PM |
#209 |
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Edit: Dupe. |
LWolf |
Apr-04-08 08:17 AM |
#46 |
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awesome post |
il_lilac |
Apr-04-08 08:23 AM |
#47 |
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What an incredible post. K & R. n/t |
GOPBasher |
Apr-04-08 08:36 AM |
#48 |
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What homeless problem? |
Wednesdays |
Apr-04-08 11:06 AM |
#51 |
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That's what Newsom is trying to do here and we've had to fight him |
sfexpat2000 |
Apr-04-08 11:25 AM |
#58 |
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This started before he was president... |
kisserofsinners |
Apr-04-08 11:13 AM |
#52 |
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And then the asshole went national to destroy all Gov. and social programs! |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 11:20 AM |
#55 |
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Just to Highlight Something You Posted |
fascisthunter |
Apr-04-08 11:38 AM |
#60 |
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But...but...but....Ronnie Raygun elimated all those Welfare Queens |
whistle |
Apr-04-08 12:05 PM |
#61 |
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Oh, I'm sure that there were "welfare queens" driving cadillacs. |
NCevilDUer |
Apr-04-08 12:52 PM |
#67 |
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BINGO! And the same dynamic is building now, with the war wagons... |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:41 AM |
#196 |
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Reagan's Vision |
Baby Snooks |
Apr-04-08 12:06 PM |
#62 |
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Detroit was crippled by a one-two punch of Reaganism and Big-3 Greed |
MrScorpio |
Apr-04-08 12:18 PM |
#63 |
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K and R |
gademocrat7 |
Apr-04-08 12:24 PM |
#64 |
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unfortunately, I find a major problem with this |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 12:36 PM |
#66 |
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'Between 1980 and 1989, HUD's budget authority was cut from $74 billion to $19 billion' |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 01:05 PM |
#71 |
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I cannot verify that either |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 02:13 PM |
#82 |
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Please go to the Fed Link. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 02:38 PM |
#86 |
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The reporter would have verified the facts but here.... more verification...same numbers. |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 02:42 PM |
#87 |
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I have read the Daily Howler too much to trust journalists |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 03:05 PM |
#95 |
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How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 03:15 PM |
#96 |
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Yep, I agree. Can't trust journalists to fact-check. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 03:18 PM |
#98 |
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since you have no way to verify it |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 03:27 PM |
#102 |
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Please go to this link: HUD 1983, from the Fed. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 01:55 PM |
#77 |
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except that "budget authority" does NOT represent an actual amount spent |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 02:54 PM |
#93 |
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Come on now... Part of the strategy was also not to spend what had been authorized |
Morereason |
Apr-04-08 11:51 PM |
#179 |
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part of "whose" strategy |
hfojvt |
Apr-05-08 03:40 PM |
#212 |
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Try this Link with your major problem |
digidigido |
Apr-04-08 02:01 PM |
#78 |
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thank you, now I totally feel vindicated |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 02:48 PM |
#90 |
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As I understand, the budget authority affects their ability to carry |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 03:02 PM |
#94 |
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that sounds kinda like privatization |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 03:18 PM |
#97 |
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Yeah, I'm getting the impression something like that was the effect. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 03:39 PM |
#107 |
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WOW!!! You are actually saying that the homelessness caused by Raygun was "imaginary"? |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 03:20 PM |
#99 |
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homelessness is not imaginary |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 03:34 PM |
#104 |
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Raygun and his cronies (who weren't convicted until later) were the culprits, pure and simple!! |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 07:49 PM |
#156 |
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the "blame" for Carter comes from the same place |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 10:42 PM |
#172 |
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"kinda disgusting to see how much money the government spends on housing subsidies for the wealthier |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:51 PM |
#121 |
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well, it is at the link |
hfojvt |
Apr-04-08 05:18 PM |
#133 |
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Fantastic. Thank you so much! This is a great help to me in a project I'm |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 05:32 PM |
#136 |
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Thank you so much! |
Utopian Leftist |
Apr-04-08 12:59 PM |
#69 |
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I read every word of this |
varelse |
Apr-04-08 01:11 PM |
#72 |
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When he fired the Air Traffic Controllers it became |
Sherman A1 |
Apr-04-08 01:41 PM |
#74 |
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Yep... |
dajoki |
Apr-04-08 02:09 PM |
#81 |
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I dont know if anyone else remembers this, but when Regan got elected |
ladywnch |
Apr-04-08 02:01 PM |
#79 |
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The root cause of most of our problems is the offshoring of manufacturing jobs which created ... |
AdHocSolver |
Apr-04-08 02:14 PM |
#83 |
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Don't forget the War on Iraq and the Tax Cuts for the Rich...one big ball of crap! |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 02:46 PM |
#88 |
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Excellent Perspective, and absolutely correct |
digidigido |
Apr-04-08 03:58 PM |
#113 |
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Not if he doesn't include IRAQ!!! n/t |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 07:55 PM |
#159 |
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That's not the root cause of homelessness. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:24 PM |
#117 |
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The conditions you noted are not the ROOT cause, but the result of exported jobs and huge deficits. |
AdHocSolver |
Apr-04-08 04:51 PM |
#120 |
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I beg to differ. The real HOUSING CRISIS was before Nafta, et al. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:53 PM |
#123 |
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If you are out of work or work for minimum wage, you can't afford any housing, low-income or not. |
AdHocSolver |
Apr-04-08 06:12 PM |
#143 |
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The root of the problem is a combination and Iraq would be at the top! n/t |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 07:52 PM |
#157 |
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What jobs were being exported in the 1960s, since you insist on this? |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:44 AM |
#197 |
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BLASPHEMER! |
Atman |
Apr-04-08 02:16 PM |
#84 |
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and catsup bottles, it is a vegetable after all.... |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 02:49 PM |
#91 |
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Remind me again.... |
Rage for Order |
Apr-04-08 02:28 PM |
#85 |
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Are you defending Raygun?! Please say it isn't so.... |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 02:48 PM |
#89 |
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No, I'm defending accuracy |
Rage for Order |
Apr-05-08 12:18 PM |
#201 |
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Hmmmm... 65 billion... what might government be doing with that money? |
KamaAina |
Apr-04-08 02:51 PM |
#92 |
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And, once again, stopping the war does NOT automatically mean the $$ would be put into housing for |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:26 PM |
#118 |
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The point was that defunding housing helped feed St. Raygun's war machine |
KamaAina |
Apr-04-08 04:52 PM |
#122 |
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Ah, you were talking about the other wars... there are so many, it's easy to get confused. |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:56 PM |
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I was talking about them all |
KamaAina |
Apr-04-08 05:10 PM |
#132 |
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81% ARE awake and have been complaining for years...maybe "they" weren't listening? |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 07:53 PM |
#158 |
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"True charity means more |
otherlander |
Apr-04-08 03:27 PM |
#101 |
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Where does that quote come from? |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 04:27 PM |
#119 |
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not sure where the quote is from |
mdmc |
Apr-04-08 05:03 PM |
#128 |
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mlk? n/t |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-04-08 05:05 PM |
#129 |
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MLK said it. |
otherlander |
Apr-04-08 05:09 PM |
#131 |
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"True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It |
bobbolink |
Apr-04-08 05:29 PM |
#135 |
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Wonderful post!!!! |
Herdin_Cats |
Apr-04-08 03:59 PM |
#114 |
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all "trickle-down economics" means is that the people on the bottom are getting pissed on. |
QuestionAll |
Apr-04-08 05:02 PM |
#127 |
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K&R n/t |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Apr-04-08 05:49 PM |
#139 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-04-08 06:19 PM |
#144 |
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Reagan - No wonder the rich adore him! |
1776Forever |
Apr-04-08 06:22 PM |
#146 |
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Outstanding post |
JFN1 |
Apr-04-08 06:28 PM |
#147 |
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IM A REPUBLICAN AND I DONT BELIEVE THIS CRAP |
happygoluckytoyou |
Apr-04-08 06:43 PM |
#148 |
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I read Ayn Rand and I agree |
Wetzelbill |
Apr-04-08 07:12 PM |
#154 |
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Bless you |
creeksneakers2 |
Apr-04-08 07:03 PM |
#152 |
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Reagan did create homelessness in Houston |
texastoast |
Apr-04-08 08:46 PM |
#161 |
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Part of Raygun "getting big govt. out of our pockets"..... |
southerncrone |
Apr-04-08 09:14 PM |
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OK, we know that happened, but that's in the past. |
totodeinhere |
Apr-04-08 09:36 PM |
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It lingers and that's what people don't understand...it takes YEARS to overcome being homeless... |
Breeze54 |
Apr-04-08 10:28 PM |
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This is a great post.. |
boilerbabe |
Apr-04-08 10:14 PM |
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Thanks! |
TransitJohn |
Apr-04-08 10:17 PM |
#167 |
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Bring back Marx, or invite Muhammed |
greengestalt |
Apr-04-08 10:43 PM |
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FUCK! I was too busy at my "new economy" job to catch this in time to recommend. |
greyhound1966 |
Apr-04-08 10:58 PM |
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Thank you greyhound, 1966!!! |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:46 AM |
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Great post. Thank you for your work for change. REC. |
pnwmom |
Apr-04-08 11:17 PM |
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It's funny, |
blindpig |
Apr-05-08 07:21 AM |
#183 |
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If we were to all recognize the truth in what you are saying, we would indeed have HOPE! |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 11:48 AM |
#199 |
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Reagan was a symptom, not the disease. |
Orsino |
Apr-05-08 01:53 PM |
#211 |
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you are a very dangerous person to the establishment |
datasuspect |
Apr-05-08 07:35 AM |
#184 |
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Until Ronald Reagen is something, |
agincourt |
Apr-05-08 10:21 AM |
#185 |
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And how is that going to happen? |
bobbolink |
Apr-05-08 03:59 PM |
#216 |
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We have to overcome the brainwashing. This is not America. n/t |
greyhound1966 |
Apr-06-08 10:53 PM |
#219 |
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Kick |
Opposite Reaction |
Apr-07-08 01:38 PM |
#220 |
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There are a lot of mentally ill on the streets in Los Angeles... |
Juniperx |
Apr-07-08 01:49 PM |
#221 |
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Thom Hartmann gave this piece a strong shout-out and commentary!! |
chknltl |
Apr-07-08 02:14 PM |
#222 |