| -Autism, vaccines, recovery from autism, lies of the media |
truedelphi |
Apr-02-08 12:10 PM |
#0 |
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Oh, for cripes sake. |
Warpy |
Apr-02-08 12:16 PM |
#1 |
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Heh heh heh |
progressoid |
Apr-02-08 03:08 PM |
#11 |
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I agree |
Johonny |
Apr-02-08 04:43 PM |
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We have a pandemic of children with brain disorders. 1 in 6 are so afflicted |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-08 05:38 PM |
#228 |
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i am really tired of mindless self righteous arrogance assholes like the first 3 to reply, i am |
sam sarrha |
Apr-05-08 06:08 PM |
#291 |
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RIGHT ON RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
FitzmasAgain |
Apr-08-08 04:53 PM |
#341 |
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The flu kills more children than all other "diseases" we vax against combined |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 06:08 PM |
#29 |
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Yeah, we tend not to see certain fatal childhood illnesses anymore because we vaccinate against them |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 10:26 PM |
#46 |
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Sorry Varkam, I've gone back decades and looked at the stats. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 12:15 AM |
#51 |
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Do those fingers feel good in your ears? |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 12:36 AM |
#53 |
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You'd have to look in the mirror |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 12:52 AM |
#57 |
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Well I'm rubber and you're glue. |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 01:05 AM |
#58 |
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I haven't checked into the health forum as of late. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 01:14 AM |
#61 |
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But we see a tremendous increase in brain illnesses |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-08 05:48 PM |
#231 |
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No we don't. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:39 PM |
#282 |
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Trading those diseases and replacing them with brain diseases |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-08 05:58 PM |
#232 |
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As far as I am aware... |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:41 PM |
#283 |
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And if you live in the U.S. your kid has a much better chance of getting autism |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-08 06:08 PM |
#234 |
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I don't see vaccines mentioned there |
lizerdbits |
Apr-04-08 09:31 PM |
#240 |
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Mercury is a neurotoxin. Ethylmercury is a neurotoxin. So is aluminum |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-08 12:05 PM |
#255 |
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Just about anything will be toxic in a high enough dose |
lizerdbits |
Apr-05-08 05:30 PM |
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Yes. We're talking micrograms, here. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:46 PM |
#284 |
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its different in a developing brain, naysayer, the toxins are "Incorporated" into the neurological |
sam sarrha |
Apr-07-08 07:49 AM |
#332 |
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tons of Uranium/mercury.. are dumped by the coal fire power plants.>>Link>> |
sam sarrha |
Apr-05-08 06:28 PM |
#293 |
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On the contrary |
ovidsen |
Apr-05-08 05:29 PM |
#278 |
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Autism has increased dramatically |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-08 09:07 PM |
#307 |
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EXACTLY!! We're controlled by corporations! |
FitzmasAgain |
Apr-08-08 05:02 PM |
#343 |
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Well, look up the origins of "Polio" |
FitzmasAgain |
Apr-08-08 04:56 PM |
#342 |
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More clever wording,.,. |
sendero |
Apr-12-08 06:47 AM |
#360 |
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Were vaccines "wonderful" for these families? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-02-08 08:26 PM |
#40 |
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Want to guess how many deaths we'd have without vaccines? eom |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:47 PM |
#285 |
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You don't need to guess the children ALREADY dead from vaccines. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-05-08 07:22 PM |
#300 |
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I think the whole anti-immunizations started |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Apr-03-08 12:33 AM |
#52 |
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It's no fun sticking babies |
Warpy |
Apr-03-08 08:30 AM |
#77 |
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Is it already time for the next round of this anti-vaccine bullshit? |
Tesha |
Apr-03-08 07:15 AM |
#72 |
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It's always time for antivax bullshit |
Warpy |
Apr-03-08 08:21 AM |
#73 |
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Indeed. |
Tesha |
Apr-03-08 08:29 AM |
#76 |
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My Great Grandmother had 11 siblings |
SteelPenguin |
Apr-04-08 12:30 PM |
#207 |
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this is what gets me. what was out there. yes i have memory. today, i am realizing what IS out |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 11:05 PM |
#246 |
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You have no clue the number of brain injured children |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-08 06:01 PM |
#233 |
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Vaccines may be much more dangerous for some genetically susceptible people. |
pnwmom |
Apr-03-08 09:40 PM |
#173 |
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With our dysfunctional FDA and medical system, I don't know how ANYONE can trust even a flu shot. |
Bonobo |
Apr-02-08 12:16 PM |
#2 |
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I've never gotten a flu shot - no way! "maybe" when I am 80 |
katty |
Apr-02-08 03:19 PM |
#13 |
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I get them every year. I am a transplant and have no choice. |
JeanGrey |
Apr-03-08 05:31 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-02-08 04:48 PM |
#21 |
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Idiot? |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 06:12 PM |
#30 |
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Someone called me an idiot for not injecting an unknown substance into my kid's bodies? |
Bonobo |
Apr-02-08 08:43 PM |
#41 |
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46, never had flu. two kids 13 and 10 never had flu. |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 12:24 PM |
#205 |
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The one time in my life I had a flu shot I was sicker than EVER before |
Cronus Protagonist |
Apr-03-08 12:42 PM |
#94 |
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Thank you for this. It's a good article. nt/ |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-02-08 12:18 PM |
#3 |
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This story shows what can be done when parents have resources |
proud2Blib |
Apr-02-08 12:24 PM |
#4 |
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One of my beliefs abt national single payer |
truedelphi |
Apr-02-08 12:37 PM |
#6 |
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cosmetics are regulated |
Lance_Boyle |
Apr-02-08 02:39 PM |
#10 |
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When you go to that page and look up the substances that are prohibited |
truedelphi |
Apr-02-08 07:21 PM |
#35 |
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Insurance typically won't cover the conventional therapies, either, like |
Ilsa |
Apr-03-08 03:48 PM |
#121 |
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Glad to see Evan recovered. Gladder to see Evan has parents with a voice... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-02-08 12:26 PM |
#5 |
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Argh. |
Feron |
Apr-02-08 01:47 PM |
#7 |
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Way'at Feron! |
KamaAina |
Apr-02-08 02:12 PM |
#9 |
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Did you read the article? |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 06:16 PM |
#31 |
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very inspiring |
itsjustme |
Apr-02-08 01:57 PM |
#8 |
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Wow! 1 in 58 in England/Ireland?!!! That is insane! |
TheGoldenRule |
Apr-02-08 03:11 PM |
#12 |
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IF...repeat...IF..thimeresol were proven to be the cause... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-02-08 03:33 PM |
#15 |
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It's been proven over and over again --- |
defendandprotect |
Apr-03-08 01:10 AM |
#59 |
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And it's been proved over and over again... |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-03-08 02:39 AM |
#63 |
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Thermerisol was put into the vaccines simply as a PERSERVATIVE . . . |
defendandprotect |
Apr-03-08 12:26 PM |
#88 |
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And nowadays they don't put the mercury in most vaccines in most places... |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-03-08 03:11 PM |
#111 |
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i bet you will also note the increase in mercury in fish and our other foods. |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 12:27 PM |
#206 |
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Actually, I suspect that mercury and other pollutants in food... |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-04-08 03:17 PM |
#220 |
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still at that you pit one child against another. still because it benefits another |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 03:55 PM |
#221 |
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I know we are all important.. |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-05-08 02:28 AM |
#249 |
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that is no excuse not to fix the problem.. just because it may cost more |
sam sarrha |
Apr-07-08 07:51 AM |
#333 |
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No, but it's a reason not to reject vaccines as such |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-08-08 05:18 PM |
#344 |
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Thimerosal isn't used in most vaccines in the UK... |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-03-08 02:49 AM |
#65 |
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I bet it's something else in the modern environment: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-03-08 08:56 AM |
#79 |
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Everybody discourages trying to find environmental patterns |
dmesg |
Apr-07-08 07:57 AM |
#334 |
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Yes, that figure caught my eye, too. |
KamaAina |
Apr-02-08 03:36 PM |
#16 |
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That quote represents a fundamental misunderstanding of what autism is. |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 05:45 PM |
#26 |
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Tell that to the millions of families with ADULTS still suffering from autism. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-03-08 11:12 PM |
#181 |
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Untrue. This was a false statement in the media. |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-03-08 02:45 AM |
#64 |
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YES! That's what I said in my post below |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-03-08 09:05 AM |
#80 |
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Simon Baron-Cohen... |
SidDithers |
Apr-03-08 11:16 AM |
#86 |
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Yes, he is his brother (n/t) |
mitchum |
Apr-03-08 01:33 PM |
#103 |
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Actually Simon Baron-Cohen is Sacha's cousin |
KamaAina |
Apr-03-08 01:34 PM |
#104 |
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Yes, they are cousins. |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-03-08 02:55 PM |
#108 |
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While I greatly admire McCarthy's devotion to her child's situation. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-02-08 03:29 PM |
#14 |
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McCarthy avoided the word "Cured" - she used the word "Recovery" |
truedelphi |
Apr-02-08 07:00 PM |
#33 |
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Only one thing to say |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-02-08 03:55 PM |
#17 |
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Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey gave my kids autism. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-02-08 04:08 PM |
#18 |
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There's no link between thimerosal and autism. |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 04:46 PM |
#20 |
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Not everyone would agree... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-02-08 05:06 PM |
#23 |
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1. RFK is not a scientist |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 05:23 PM |
#24 |
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"There have been no epidemiological studies that have found any connection between thimerosal and |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 07:55 PM |
#36 |
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Show me. |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 08:24 PM |
#38 |
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You said there were NO studies. Then you moved the goal posts. |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 09:02 PM |
#42 |
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Oh, so studies with significant flaws meet your rigorous standards for data? |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 09:18 PM |
#44 |
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Again, not what you said. Every study can be picked apart by those with an agenda. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 12:12 AM |
#50 |
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You haven't shown me anything. |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 12:39 AM |
#56 |
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Sure there are. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 01:13 AM |
#60 |
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Being that I don't have time... |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 01:40 AM |
#62 |
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You keep mentioning the Geier study and asserting it does not exist at the same time. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 08:24 AM |
#74 |
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Just glancing through it quickly... |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 04:05 PM |
#127 |
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Quickly - Here is where you said there were no such studies. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 05:24 PM |
#130 |
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Hoo boy... |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 09:25 PM |
#169 |
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You said there were no epi. studies demonstrating a connection. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 11:08 PM |
#178 |
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Are you defending the Geier's work in this area? |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 10:15 AM |
#199 |
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Yes, I'm defending Geier. |
mzmolly |
Apr-04-08 12:47 PM |
#208 |
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Feds study the issue... |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 09:03 PM |
#238 |
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The epi evidence again is a he said she said. |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 02:02 PM |
#259 |
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It's not a he said she said when it comes to the science. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:16 PM |
#274 |
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So I hear! |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 05:34 PM |
#280 |
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I would've edited, but I was too late: it also appears that there is a major conflict of interest... |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 01:27 AM |
#248 |
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Will you defend the IOM's Fineberg, Dr. McCormick, and Dr. Stratton? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-05-08 09:35 AM |
#251 |
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Tu quoque. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 04:52 PM |
#268 |
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Thanks, Pot. Kettle will put you down for a No. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-05-08 05:56 PM |
#287 |
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Unfortunately, |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 01:59 PM |
#258 |
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And you don't think the enormous conflict of interest that the Geiers have... |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 04:56 PM |
#269 |
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No, |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 05:18 PM |
#275 |
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Improper appeal to authority. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:25 PM |
#277 |
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Conflicts of interest surrounding the issue of vaccination are not limited to Geier, |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 05:30 PM |
#279 |
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Tu quoque. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:37 PM |
#281 |
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I'm sorry that you take issue with Mr. Geier. As I've said, the NIH found him credible |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 05:53 PM |
#286 |
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And, yet again, improper appeal to authority. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 05:59 PM |
#288 |
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He's testified in over 100 cases, |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 06:06 PM |
#290 |
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Noooo, that's not what they ruled. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 06:17 PM |
#292 |
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No vaccines, no autism |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 06:29 PM |
#294 |
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That MtD only occurs in a small subset... |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 06:36 PM |
#296 |
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That doesn't mean that this MtD is the only DNA issue that may |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 06:47 PM |
#297 |
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You do love those appeals to authority, don't you? |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 07:14 PM |
#298 |
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You merely regurgitated what the "authorities" on the court claimed. |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 07:40 PM |
#301 |
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I wasn't appealing to authority. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 10:09 PM |
#312 |
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Who are YOU appealing to? Yourself? What are your credentials? |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 10:41 PM |
#314 |
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I was just going on the court transcript and what I know about VICP. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 10:56 PM |
#315 |
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You clarified after I showed you that your |
mzmolly |
Apr-06-08 12:14 PM |
#323 |
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I assumed that it would be understood I was talking about real science. |
varkam |
Apr-06-08 12:27 PM |
#324 |
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Geier is a "real" scientist. Must be why the NIH hired him as well as John's Hopkins? |
mzmolly |
Apr-06-08 02:15 PM |
#326 |
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You keep talking.. |
sendero |
Apr-12-08 07:05 AM |
#361 |
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innuendo -- won't do. Support the statement or don't say it |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-08 09:32 PM |
#308 |
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Remember Varkam, our federal vaccine court just conceeded that there is a link. |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 06:26 PM |
#32 |
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You can twist it all you want to, but it still doesn't mean you're telling the truth. |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 08:23 PM |
#37 |
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There is no "further" in vaccine court Varkam. |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 09:04 PM |
#43 |
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"...Parse words and get into semantics on behalf of big pharma all you like..." |
varkam |
Apr-02-08 09:23 PM |
#45 |
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That's who you are advocating for, so as I've also said |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 12:10 AM |
#49 |
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I just happen to care about science. |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 12:38 AM |
#54 |
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If you cared about science I would not be offended. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 08:26 AM |
#75 |
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That's disingenious. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 03:08 PM |
#110 |
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I'm glad he |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 03:42 PM |
#118 |
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Awwww, whassa matter? |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 04:07 PM |
#128 |
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Sure, |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 04:56 PM |
#129 |
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Just a fan of the truth. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 05:35 PM |
#133 |
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Well then, stop reading the thread. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 05:37 PM |
#135 |
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How about I just stop reading the people who don't back their assertions with valid studies? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 05:43 PM |
#138 |
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How bout you suspend critical thinking |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 06:08 PM |
#140 |
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Nice link in that post, did you actually try it or just make it up? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 06:18 PM |
#141 |
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Not sure what you mean. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 06:20 PM |
#143 |
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You didn't write post #127 and your link to the studies in your post #130 doesn't work. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 06:35 PM |
#146 |
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Excuse me my reply to post 127 which is post #130 and I just clicked the link again. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 06:45 PM |
#147 |
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This is what happens when you click your link in several different browsers. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 06:57 PM |
#149 |
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There's an extra space in her aforementioned link. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 07:24 PM |
#154 |
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Some Interesting Stuff There |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 11:20 PM |
#183 |
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What's more interesting is how that "study" came about. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-04-08 12:17 AM |
#186 |
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Ok so the only reliable studies are the ones the support your argument. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-04-08 12:23 AM |
#187 |
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Did you even read the particular article that Molly referenced? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-04-08 06:38 AM |
#196 |
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Dr. Simpson could play the CDC role of Dick Cheney. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-04-08 08:59 AM |
#198 |
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Eli Lilly's take on Thimerosal. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-04-08 10:23 AM |
#203 |
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You do realize that you're posing stuff from '99, right? |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 09:39 PM |
#241 |
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Of course. You have evidence that Eli Lilly's Position has changed? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-04-08 10:01 PM |
#243 |
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I don't know. I'm not an Eli Lilly spokesperson, despite what you may think. |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 10:22 PM |
#244 |
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It's a Material Safety Data Sheet. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-04-08 11:04 PM |
#245 |
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And again, it's ten years old. |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 11:22 PM |
#247 |
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Lots of more recent MSDS's at the links below. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-05-08 07:28 AM |
#250 |
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You offer testimonials as scientific evidence? |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 04:49 PM |
#267 |
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Reports of lung cancer after smoking were anecdotal at first, too. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-05-08 06:30 PM |
#295 |
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Yeah? Lung cancer has nothing to with this. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 07:18 PM |
#299 |
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It's analogous to a road once traveled. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-05-08 08:05 PM |
#302 |
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Ug. |
varkam |
Apr-05-08 10:04 PM |
#311 |
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Dozens? You have more than 12 studies disproving a link since 2004? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-06-08 01:13 AM |
#321 |
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Yup. Sure are. |
varkam |
Apr-06-08 01:57 PM |
#325 |
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Where? I read one. And it was a REVIEW. That's not "proof." |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-06-08 02:42 PM |
#328 |
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I really find it amusing that... |
varkam |
Apr-06-08 09:51 PM |
#329 |
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Ha, I knew you couldn't. eom |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-07-08 04:06 AM |
#331 |
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They're all there in the references of the study I pointed you to. |
varkam |
Apr-07-08 12:38 PM |
#335 |
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No they're not and they only reviewed up to 2004. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-07-08 03:33 PM |
#336 |
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They didn't toss the Geier studies because they disagreed. |
varkam |
Apr-07-08 07:47 PM |
#337 |
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Geier forced a corrigendum from these lying hacks. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-07-08 08:02 PM |
#338 |
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That's a fairly minor point. It has nothing to do with this: |
varkam |
Apr-07-08 08:16 PM |
#339 |
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I see. Your hyperbole of "dozens" is now downsized to "several." |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-08-08 04:32 PM |
#340 |
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And you have cited zero credible studies, period. |
varkam |
Apr-08-08 10:38 PM |
#345 |
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The burden falls on the CDC to prove their case. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-09-08 04:20 PM |
#346 |
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It's basic logic, bud. |
varkam |
Apr-09-08 09:58 PM |
#347 |
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You fail basic logic, (insert your favorite patronizing term of endearment). |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-10-08 03:41 PM |
#348 |
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. |
varkam |
Apr-10-08 04:14 PM |
#349 |
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"." Is that your response as to why Mercury is STILL in Shots for Children? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-10-08 05:24 PM |
#350 |
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My, the hysterics! |
varkam |
Apr-10-08 05:38 PM |
#351 |
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I'll ask again then, why is ANY mercury still in vaccines? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-10-08 06:59 PM |
#352 |
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Oy... |
varkam |
Apr-10-08 11:34 PM |
#353 |
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Egad. We actually agree on something. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-11-08 03:34 PM |
#355 |
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There's a mighty big difference between mercury poisioning and autism |
varkam |
Apr-11-08 05:49 PM |
#356 |
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There are similarities. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-11-08 06:46 PM |
#357 |
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It never ends with you. |
varkam |
Apr-11-08 09:22 PM |
#358 |
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Nor apparently you. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-12-08 06:44 AM |
#359 |
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Again, do you have a citation? |
varkam |
Apr-12-08 11:06 PM |
#362 |
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See below. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-13-08 09:23 AM |
#363 |
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Again, |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 07:51 PM |
#158 |
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Link didn't work for me, either. |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 09:25 PM |
#170 |
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And you're seeking THAT from the Bush Administration's CDC?!!!! |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 06:31 PM |
#144 |
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The shoe most definitely fits. |
TheGoldenRule |
Apr-04-08 02:32 PM |
#215 |
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That case is incredibly important. No one has been arguing that thimerosal |
pnwmom |
Apr-03-08 11:18 PM |
#182 |
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but wasn't that due to immune response, not thimerosol? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Apr-03-08 03:51 PM |
#122 |
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The concession was that vaccination triggered autism. The parents, a neurolgist and an RN |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 06:33 PM |
#145 |
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Wrong again. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 07:00 PM |
#151 |
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YOU'RE wrong |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 07:58 PM |
#159 |
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Yes, where is the "Could Not Rule Out" part? |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 08:15 PM |
#163 |
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Ya got me! |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 08:20 PM |
#165 |
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You betcha. I wish they'd go ahead and lay their cards on the table. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 09:08 PM |
#168 |
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Thanks DD. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 11:09 PM |
#179 |
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Sorry I was playing soccer. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 11:40 PM |
#184 |
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Thanks, Molly. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-04-08 07:02 AM |
#197 |
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Agree with you 100% |
TheGoldenRule |
Apr-04-08 02:35 PM |
#216 |
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The legal system has failed to prevent subcliinical developmental toxicity |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-08 02:33 PM |
#261 |
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But that doesn't exactly say that vaccines cause autism, now does it? |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 09:26 PM |
#171 |
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It says that vaccines contributed |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 10:32 PM |
#176 |
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It said... |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 10:18 AM |
#200 |
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No one has claimed that vaccines are solely responsible for autism. |
mzmolly |
Apr-04-08 01:18 PM |
#213 |
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Sure it does. Vaccines were the spark that lit the ASD fuse. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 11:03 PM |
#177 |
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"BTW, Varkam, enlighten us please. Who's YOUR sugar daddy?" |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 10:19 AM |
#201 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-04-08 10:43 AM |
#204 |
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Right. Just like cigarettes don't cause cancer. |
pnwmom |
Apr-04-08 01:29 AM |
#195 |
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See post above. eom |
varkam |
Apr-04-08 10:19 AM |
#202 |
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If the vaccine "aggravated" another stressor, then it was itself an additional |
pnwmom |
Apr-04-08 01:25 AM |
#194 |
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then that's belief, not science. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Apr-03-08 07:39 PM |
#155 |
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It's not a belief, |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 08:00 PM |
#160 |
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That's not what the court said. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 06:53 PM |
#148 |
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that's right |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Apr-03-08 07:47 PM |
#157 |
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Exactly. |
varkam |
Apr-03-08 09:29 PM |
#172 |
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Nope! Once again - |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 11:11 PM |
#180 |
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Correct. And saying there is won't make it so. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-03-08 08:48 AM |
#78 |
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That's a debatable assertion. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 09:11 AM |
#81 |
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It's been proven over and over. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-03-08 09:20 AM |
#82 |
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No it hasn't. It was recently proven in "vaccine court" that vaccines |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 02:09 PM |
#105 |
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but again it's the immune response, not the preservative |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Apr-03-08 03:52 PM |
#123 |
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The immune system also responds to mercury and some feel cases are declining. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 05:28 PM |
#131 |
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Who had the vaccine the mother or the child? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 07:15 PM |
#152 |
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You have to ask? |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 08:10 PM |
#162 |
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This is what your link says, so yes I have to ask. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 11:45 PM |
#185 |
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Mercury's primary risk is neurotoxicity. |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Apr-03-08 07:44 PM |
#156 |
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Primary risk, perhaps. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 08:09 PM |
#161 |
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and this post has nothing to do with autism |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Apr-03-08 08:28 PM |
#166 |
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Of course it does. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 08:30 PM |
#167 |
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Thimerosal also has a half life of about 1/10 of Methyl Mercury. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-04-08 12:36 AM |
#189 |
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In the blood, |
mzmolly |
Apr-04-08 12:50 PM |
#209 |
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Got it. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-05-08 04:30 PM |
#263 |
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Not to compare methyl and ethyl mercury |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 04:36 PM |
#266 |
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Comparison of Blood and Brain Mercury Levels in Infant Monkeys Exposed to Methylmercury or Vaccines |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-05-08 04:59 PM |
#270 |
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Yes, it's always good to take better care of our monkeys |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 05:04 PM |
#271 |
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You were the one that compared the two, not me. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-05-08 05:12 PM |
#273 |
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A leading scientist |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 05:18 PM |
#276 |
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Thimerosal was removed from routine childhood vaccines in 2001. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-05-08 08:06 PM |
#303 |
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No it wasn't. |
mzmolly |
Apr-05-08 08:12 PM |
#304 |
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All routine pediatric vaccines. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-05-08 08:36 PM |
#305 |
| -
False. My child received thimerosal in 2003 AND 2004. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-06-08 07:12 AM |
#322 |
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That's a little better but still not quite correct. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 07:21 PM |
#153 |
| -
Enzyme deficiency? Everyone is different in this |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-04-08 06:26 PM |
#236 |
| -
Further, consider the unbelievably huge spectrum of autism- |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-06-08 12:37 AM |
#320 |
| -
The vaccine court awarded damages because they acknowledged that |
pnwmom |
Apr-03-08 09:50 PM |
#174 |
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Thanks for your voice of reason. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 10:22 PM |
#175 |
| -
I agree with you. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-04-08 12:33 AM |
#188 |
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But vaccines might TRIGGER autism symptoms in people |
pnwmom |
Apr-04-08 01:11 AM |
#190 |
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Just like SIDS, hypertension and a ton of other things. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-05-08 04:34 PM |
#265 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-02-08 04:50 PM |
#22 |
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That gambit grows old... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-02-08 05:45 PM |
#27 |
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There is no link between vaccines and autism |
alarimer |
Apr-02-08 05:34 PM |
#25 |
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I think you need to read the responses in this thread. |
mzmolly |
Apr-04-08 12:57 PM |
#211 |
| -
Right TD some still contain trace amounts of thimerosal and the MMR vaccine may provide a different |
mzmolly |
Apr-02-08 06:06 PM |
#28 |
| -
Interesting that when someone like Dan Olmstead goes and |
truedelphi |
Apr-02-08 07:18 PM |
#34 |
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Not exactly correct |
lizerdbits |
Apr-02-08 08:26 PM |
#39 |
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Thanks for that dissection |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 12:30 PM |
#90 |
| -
There were no LIVING children with Autism |
comtec |
Apr-03-08 03:35 AM |
#66 |
| -
autism is not mental retardation |
RainDog |
Apr-03-08 07:06 AM |
#71 |
| -
I understand there are many levels of autism |
comtec |
Apr-03-08 10:17 AM |
#84 |
| -
Also, there isn't any way to determine if a child |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 12:23 PM |
#87 |
| -
The problem is, we don't know HOW oblivious an extremely |
Ilsa |
Apr-04-08 05:27 PM |
#227 |
| -
Woefully misinformed. |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-03-08 09:32 AM |
#83 |
| -
Are you fucking kidding me? Yours is the most ignorant post I've seen to date on this subject. |
TheGoldenRule |
Apr-04-08 01:18 AM |
#192 |
| -
CNN isn't the media?...nt |
SidDithers |
Apr-02-08 10:30 PM |
#47 |
| -
Rockefeller's Megapharms have operatives everywhere |
crankychatter |
Apr-02-08 11:14 PM |
#48 |
| -
Ya think? |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-03-08 05:55 AM |
#67 |
| -
I'm sorry, but your whole post is garbage. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-03-08 12:39 AM |
#55 |
| -
I see...a sudden shift in the genetic makeup of humans... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-03-08 06:05 AM |
#68 |
| -
Read my posts above about the changes in diagnostic categories |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-03-08 11:12 AM |
#85 |
| -
Again, if it was purely a genetic response, then in a case of one identical twin having it, |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 12:31 PM |
#92 |
| -
The Congressional Record from 2003 states... |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 01:15 PM |
#97 |
| -
Thank you very much for that citation!! n/t |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 01:30 PM |
#101 |
| -
So testimony before Congress is always true??? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 03:14 PM |
#112 |
| -
Pssst.... |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 03:45 PM |
#119 |
| -
When the Powers that Be report junk science as scientific fact |
truedelphi |
Apr-04-08 01:13 PM |
#212 |
| -
That's not a response to my posts, and is Sen. Dan Burton |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-03-08 02:52 PM |
#107 |
| -
If an identical twin has autism... |
LeftishBrit |
Apr-03-08 03:08 PM |
#109 |
| -
Now autism definitely has a genetic factor but there is also |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 12:27 PM |
#89 |
| -
Because that's the only difference right. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 03:19 PM |
#113 |
| -
Many genetic conditions exist only as a potential disease, until |
pnwmom |
Apr-04-08 01:18 AM |
#193 |
| -
Great googly moogly, we are taking medical advice from Jenny McCarthy? |
AngryAmish |
Apr-03-08 06:07 AM |
#69 |
| -
Red alert....Autism Parent with a Voice... |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-03-08 06:53 AM |
#70 |
| -
Or a member of the Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Outrage |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-03-08 12:30 PM |
#91 |
| -
The term "Junk science" is a Rovian technique to discredit |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 12:39 PM |
#93 |
| -
I prefer the term pseudoscience. nt |
uppityperson |
Apr-03-08 12:50 PM |
#95 |
| -
So years of use of vaccines going back to Jenner and Pasteur are thrown out |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-03-08 01:08 PM |
#96 |
| -
Have you noticed that nowhere in this discussion |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 01:16 PM |
#98 |
| -
As the saying goes - Whatever |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-03-08 01:19 PM |
#99 |
| -
If you knew who Michael Belkin is, you |
truedelphi |
Apr-03-08 01:24 PM |
#100 |
| -
Back to the smoke signals for you. |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-03-08 01:32 PM |
#102 |
| -
Nice qualifier. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 03:27 PM |
#115 |
| -
Vaccines date back to 200 B.C. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 02:15 PM |
#106 |
| -
Jenny McCarthy is a snake oil saleman... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-03-08 03:28 PM |
#116 |
| -
I think you have her confused with Big Pharma. McCarthy is not selling anything. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 03:40 PM |
#117 |
| -
She's selling her miracle cures. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Apr-03-08 03:58 PM |
#125 |
| -
She wrote a book. |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 05:35 PM |
#134 |
| -
For some, I am sure, her book pages will reek of snake oil |
truedelphi |
Apr-04-08 01:16 AM |
#191 |
| -
Nothing like dying children to shut down an argument. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 03:22 PM |
#114 |
| -
Much like the CDC does when they wish to sell vaccines on the backs of the |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 05:39 PM |
#136 |
| -
How much vaccine does the CDC sell? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-03-08 05:48 PM |
#139 |
| -
They sell available vaccines |
mzmolly |
Apr-03-08 06:19 PM |
#142 |
| -
Children with autism are not dying! |
KamaAina |
Apr-04-08 05:46 PM |
#230 |
| -
i like your attitude |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 09:09 PM |
#239 |
| -
I like how people spout off judgements without reading the article carefully. |
Progs Rock |
Apr-03-08 03:47 PM |
#120 |
| -
Friends, please keep in mind that autism kills also. |
Ilsa |
Apr-03-08 03:57 PM |
#124 |
| -
Ah, yes, fear Autism. |
otherlander |
Apr-03-08 04:01 PM |
#126 |
| -
That reminds me. I forgot to flap my arms today. |
KamaAina |
Apr-03-08 08:16 PM |
#164 |
| -
*snort* |
otherlander |
Apr-04-08 03:09 PM |
#218 |
| -
Autistic people rock! |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-04-08 05:20 PM |
#226 |
| -
Took me a second... |
KamaAina |
Apr-04-08 05:42 PM |
#229 |
| -
I rock to anything |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-05-08 10:15 AM |
#252 |
| -
Hey, aren't you that anarcha-feminist person? |
otherlander |
Apr-04-08 09:52 PM |
#242 |
| -
Taht's me |
Lilith Velkor |
Apr-05-08 10:16 AM |
#253 |
| -
You should research autism more, despite your diagnosis. |
BullGooseLoony |
Apr-05-08 11:07 PM |
#316 |
| -
yes. the spectrum is very wide. the study of autism i did in 70's is not the autism |
seabeyond |
Apr-06-08 12:01 AM |
#318 |
| -
Right, but I mean... |
otherlander |
Apr-06-08 10:10 PM |
#330 |
| -
Did Jim Carrey adopt her child? He only has one child, a |
JeanGrey |
Apr-03-08 05:42 PM |
#137 |
| -
Another Excellent ARTICLE to upset the MERCURY-PUSHERS. |
dubyadubya3 |
Apr-03-08 06:59 PM |
#150 |
| -
i watched my son on his two year old shots be effected and go |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 12:56 PM |
#210 |
| -
About eighteen months ago, Reader's Digest had an article |
truedelphi |
Apr-04-08 01:22 PM |
#214 |
| -
My father had Guilliume Barre |
conscious evolution |
Apr-05-08 11:14 AM |
#254 |
| -
Was he able to take the swine flu vacine people to court? |
truedelphi |
Apr-05-08 12:39 PM |
#256 |
| -
No he did not |
conscious evolution |
Apr-05-08 12:55 PM |
#257 |
| -
Yes, the parents have had to become the warriors in this fight because no one gives a damn. nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Apr-04-08 02:37 PM |
#217 |
| -
again this afternoon dealing with son about the same shit we have been dealing with for years |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 03:59 PM |
#222 |
| -
I get so mad at those who are covering for big pharma. They are vile. |
TheGoldenRule |
Apr-04-08 05:10 PM |
#224 |
| -
bush says pharma co cant be sued. BIG clue-in folks |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 06:34 PM |
#237 |
| -
A question... |
HanoverFist |
Apr-04-08 03:13 PM |
#219 |
| -
to at least know would be a huge step forward that would allow resolution |
seabeyond |
Apr-04-08 05:05 PM |
#223 |
| -
I think you have an amazing attitude for all you have been through |
MartyL |
Apr-05-08 06:01 PM |
#289 |
| -
a parent |
seabeyond |
Apr-06-08 12:02 AM |
#319 |
| -
The Health policies of the US have answered that question, even if |
Ilsa |
Apr-04-08 05:19 PM |
#225 |
| -
Welcome to DU! |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-05-08 09:46 PM |
#310 |
| -
I'm sorry, I thought I was on Democratic Underground. |
yibbehobba |
Apr-04-08 06:25 PM |
#235 |
| -
Kick this baby |
AikidoSoul |
Apr-05-08 02:09 PM |
#260 |
| -
The positive in this article is... |
axollot |
Apr-05-08 02:40 PM |
#262 |
| -
that is what i would do. i would have ALL the control over whta vaccinations and when |
seabeyond |
Apr-05-08 04:33 PM |
#264 |
| -
I really think that it's time that this crap got moved to the 9/11 forum. |
Finnfan |
Apr-05-08 05:06 PM |
#272 |
| -
Jenny McCarthy turned me into a newt |
Robb |
Apr-05-08 08:38 PM |
#306 |
| -
My cell phone gave me hemorrhoids |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-05-08 10:15 PM |
#313 |
| -
Are you suggesting you have more expertise on the topic of Autism? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-05-08 09:39 PM |
#309 |
| -
I did not realize CNN could post such shit. |
MATTMAN |
Apr-05-08 11:09 PM |
#317 |
| -
CNN is a great fan of hysteria and pseudo science |
GoneOffShore |
Apr-06-08 02:38 PM |
#327 |
| -
CNN? Check out their breathless, fawning piece on phrenology. |
antfarm |
Apr-13-08 09:35 AM |
#364 |
| -
kEEP THIS BABY OU |
w8liftinglady |
Apr-11-08 01:03 AM |
#354 |
| -
yeah whatever |
pitohui |
Apr-13-08 10:24 AM |
#365 |
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