krkaufman
(1000+ posts)
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Mon Mar-31-08 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #24 |
| 30. Yes, my theory.... though I don't literally say that it was Annie Liebovitz's inspiration. |
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Edited on Mon Mar-31-08 08:49 AM by krkaufman
Rather, I've been saying since last Thursday (3/27), that it is inarguable that the WWI poster was the inspiration for the Vogue cover photo. Whether Annie Liebovitz was familiar with the propaganda poster or not is in question (p'raps someone else staged this particular photo), but it is beyond reason to think that the similarities are mere coincidence. The similarities are simply too many to be accidental... - Outfit colors match counterparts
- LeBron’s stance, legs apart and hunched over
- LeBron’s facial expression, a jaw agape teeth-baring roar
- LeBron’s “weapon”(a basketball) in his right hand
- LeBron’s white-tipped tennis shoes match the hairless, lightened toes on the brute
- The damsel is in/on LeBron’s left arm
- Giselle’s stance, with her feet inside LeBron’s, but her body angling outward
- Giselle’s dress neckline, revealing as much of her upper torso as possible while remaining G-rated and cover photo ready.
- Giselle’s hair style; note the wavy curls

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"King Kong" Vogue cover? What's your take? |
bean fidhleir |
Mar-30-08 05:32 PM |
#0 |

LeBron looks like the intense basketball player that he is, and Gisele |
SeattleGirl |
Mar-30-08 05:35 PM |
#1 |
 
Outcries from the church of the "perpetually offended" |
Mike Daniels |
Mar-31-08 08:48 AM |
#32 |

The guy is showing his war face and she is just kinda hanging there |
Rex |
Mar-30-08 05:36 PM |
#2 |
 
Yet such orgs pay marketing/psych teams to effectively hone in on the public mind |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 08:48 AM |
#33 |

I agree--this is what "framing" is all about. We talk |
bbgrunt |
Mar-31-08 12:52 PM |
#81 |
 
"It is exactly that most people can discount this picture as nothing to take offense with...." |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 07:29 PM |
#108 |

Not really, the media is hurting our country day in and day out by |
Rex |
Mar-31-08 03:00 PM |
#90 |
 
Re: corporate marketing, a central part of dumbing down the populace involves selling... |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 07:40 PM |
#111 |

It is done mostly randomly |
Indenturedebtor |
Apr-01-08 10:58 PM |
#149 |

Much ado over nothing |
panader0 |
Mar-30-08 05:37 PM |
#3 |

when i look, i see people having fun making a cover |
seabeyond |
Mar-30-08 05:38 PM |
#4 |

Annie Leibovitz's was inspired by this WW I poster |
Crabby Appleton |
Mar-30-08 05:43 PM |
#5 |
 
She never said that - that was someone's theory. nt. |
whutgives |
Mar-30-08 07:17 PM |
#24 |

Yes, my theory.... though I don't literally say that it was Annie Liebovitz's inspiration. |
krkaufman |
Mar-31-08 08:42 AM |
#30 |

one problem tho... |
QuestionAll |
Mar-31-08 09:28 AM |
#47 |

chortle! : ) n/t |
krkaufman |
Mar-31-08 10:21 AM |
#66 |

Who came up with "King Kong?" |
PSPS |
Mar-30-08 05:44 PM |
#6 |
 
you don't have to relate to king kong to imagine |
bbgrunt |
Mar-31-08 12:58 PM |
#82 |

I think that's disgusting. |
dbaker41 |
Apr-01-08 10:43 AM |
#132 |

you only need to study a little about the "hidden |
bbgrunt |
Apr-01-08 05:55 PM |
#145 |

Elephant in the Room |
lwfern |
Mar-30-08 05:45 PM |
#7 |
 
Gee, you must be getting a different Vogue than I read. |
GoneOffShore |
Mar-30-08 06:04 PM |
#12 |
 
Don't worry, LWFern. You're not losing your mind.......... |
TheDebbieDee |
Mar-30-08 06:24 PM |
#15 |
  
I don't see it as "racial" as much as it plays on "traditional" gender stereotypes |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 09:07 AM |
#36 |
 
Not exactly subtle, is it? Amazing... |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 09:05 AM |
#35 |
 
Looks fine but I can see where people scared of black men might have an issue. |
Bonobo |
Mar-31-08 09:36 AM |
#50 |
 
used as an accessory? |
Lance_Boyle |
Mar-31-08 09:38 AM |
#52 |
  
Commenting on the underlying messages of marketing doesn't automatically equate to "outrage" |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 10:32 AM |
#70 |
 
I don't see the "accessorization" you speak of |
Terran |
Mar-31-08 10:19 AM |
#64 |
  
So that's your ideal of femininity, Vogue readers are sophisticated, and anyone who doesn't agree... |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 10:23 AM |
#67 |
   
Guess I wasn't clear... |
Terran |
Mar-31-08 10:34 AM |
#71 |
  
Gotchya. Thanks for clarifying |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 10:41 AM |
#75 |
  
Try imagining the two people swapped. |
lwfern |
Mar-31-08 10:53 AM |
#76 |
 
I think it's subjective |
Terran |
Mar-31-08 01:49 PM |
#88 |
  
Have you ever studied gender and media? |
lwfern |
Mar-31-08 02:44 PM |
#89 |
 
I've never had an art history course |
Terran |
Mar-31-08 05:26 PM |
#95 |
 
I included "informally" in that list |
lwfern |
Mar-31-08 05:42 PM |
#98 |
 
Yes I would |
Terran |
Apr-01-08 10:15 AM |
#131 |
 
he's an athelete, she's a model |
northzax |
Mar-31-08 05:12 PM |
#94 |
 
Nonsense. Vouge empowers women by forcing men to recognize them as sexual beings. |
I work for workers |
Apr-01-08 02:50 PM |
#137 |

The King Kong comparison would never have occurred to me |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Mar-30-08 05:47 PM |
#8 |
 
it's not king kong, but did you see this ww1 poster/comparison from upthread...? |
QuestionAll |
Mar-31-08 10:37 AM |
#73 |

What do you expect from a guy from Texas? |
ColbertWatcher |
Mar-30-08 05:55 PM |
#9 |

Great shot |
GoneOffShore |
Mar-30-08 05:57 PM |
#10 |

Manufactured outrage by some. |
Blue_In_AK |
Mar-30-08 05:58 PM |
#11 |
 
Yes indeed. |
GoneOffShore |
Mar-30-08 06:05 PM |
#13 |
 
Manufactured outrage, my ass! |
TheDebbieDee |
Mar-30-08 06:10 PM |
#14 |

I don't see it this way |
Blue_In_AK |
Mar-30-08 06:39 PM |
#17 |
 
For me, the photo re-inforces some blatant |
TheDebbieDee |
Mar-30-08 06:56 PM |
#21 |
  
I can sort of see your point. |
Blue_In_AK |
Mar-30-08 07:14 PM |
#23 |
   
"They are robbing it of that hurtful power......" |
TheDebbieDee |
Mar-30-08 07:27 PM |
#25 |
  
I apologize ... my knee kind of jerked. |
Blue_In_AK |
Mar-30-08 07:46 PM |
#27 |
  
They should realize when women are encouraged to prostrate themselves to male aggression |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 08:55 AM |
#34 |
 
yes, demographics decidedly are relevant |
krkaufman |
Apr-01-08 09:35 PM |
#146 |

Yep. |
lwfern |
Mar-30-08 08:31 PM |
#29 |

Sixty year old white guy here and I have no idea what you're talking about. |
GoneOffShore |
Mar-31-08 09:20 AM |
#43 |
 
Your subject line says a lot. |
lwfern |
Mar-31-08 09:56 AM |
#57 |
  
I was pointing out how silly this whole thing is. |
GoneOffShore |
Mar-31-08 10:00 AM |
#60 |
   
I'm saying you aren't in a position to judge |
lwfern |
Mar-31-08 10:36 AM |
#72 |
  
Except when someone says the picture is intended to push the buttons of white men |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Mar-31-08 07:12 PM |
#105 |
  
I am trying to find that |
Two Americas |
Mar-31-08 11:31 PM |
#124 |
  
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-31-08 11:18 AM |
#79 |
 
You're a little out of line here. (nt) |
lwfern |
Mar-31-08 12:37 PM |
#80 |
 
I believe that you don't |
Two Americas |
Mar-31-08 05:59 PM |
#102 |

It may be this line..... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Mar-31-08 07:17 PM |
#106 |

We all get that it doesn't push the buttons of ALL white men. |
lwfern |
Mar-31-08 08:07 PM |
#116 |

funny |
Two Americas |
Mar-31-08 09:02 PM |
#121 |

No, it makes it sound like you are disappointed....... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Mar-31-08 09:10 PM |
#122 |

no premise, no belief... |
Two Americas |
Mar-31-08 11:27 PM |
#123 |

Maybe, but how many older white males buy Vogue? |
Zookeeper |
Mar-31-08 09:26 AM |
#46 |
 
Thankfully racial barriers have largely broken down. This imagery is a play on gender stereotypes |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 09:30 AM |
#48 |
  
We have a lonnnnggggg way to go on gender stereotypes... |
Zookeeper |
Mar-31-08 09:37 AM |
#51 |
 
Exactly! Thank you. I'm surprised that so few here understand that |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 09:41 AM |
#53 |
 
Also interesting to note some posters responses in other current sex-related threads |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 09:45 AM |
#54 |
 
"How could this possibly sell more magazines?" |
TheDebbieDee |
Mar-31-08 09:57 AM |
#58 |

I don't think the cover would inspire anyone to buy the... |
Zookeeper |
Mar-31-08 01:40 PM |
#87 |

My contention is as stated in reply #58......... |
TheDebbieDee |
Mar-31-08 05:27 PM |
#96 |

Thank you, DebbieDee.... |
Zookeeper |
Apr-01-08 03:43 PM |
#140 |

This 41 year old white boy |
BoneDaddy |
Mar-31-08 11:13 AM |
#78 |
 
Maybe it's because you're a white boy |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-31-08 01:08 PM |
#86 |

buzz...wrong |
BoneDaddy |
Mar-31-08 08:40 PM |
#119 |

Hear, hear |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-31-08 01:07 PM |
#85 |

I completely agree |
Two Americas |
Mar-31-08 05:52 PM |
#100 |

King Kong was doing just fine until they kidnapped him and sold him |
alfredo |
Mar-30-08 06:29 PM |
#16 |
 
Which, of course, is what happened to Black humans as well. |
bean fidhleir |
Apr-01-08 01:21 PM |
#133 |

You restored my faith. |
alfredo |
Apr-01-08 01:56 PM |
#135 |

I hope in a good way, rather than faith that people are interpretive dolts :-) |
bean fidhleir |
Apr-01-08 04:33 PM |
#143 |

In a good way |
alfredo |
Apr-01-08 05:40 PM |
#144 |

Who cares? Not me. nt |
laylah |
Mar-30-08 06:40 PM |
#18 |

! |
Beregond2 |
Mar-30-08 06:42 PM |
#19 |

Fake controversy to exploit the topic du jour "race," and sell magazines. |
MADem |
Mar-30-08 06:53 PM |
#20 |

When I first saw this cover I liked it......... |
Tinksrival |
Mar-30-08 07:07 PM |
#22 |

I sort of like it, but who really gives a shit about the cover of Vogue? nt |
bemildred |
Mar-30-08 07:30 PM |
#26 |

Ridiculous. |
ellie |
Mar-30-08 08:29 PM |
#28 |

She symbolically represents his trophy for fostered male aggression |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 08:46 AM |
#31 |
 
Uh, no. |
GoneOffShore |
Mar-31-08 09:16 AM |
#40 |

No need to be an asshole about it |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 09:20 AM |
#42 |

Always happy to see a member |
GoneOffShore |
Mar-31-08 09:58 AM |
#59 |

Reading posts online is how you get off, yet you tell me to "get out more" |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 10:02 AM |
#61 |

You're being obnoxious |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-31-08 01:05 PM |
#84 |

"As Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is JUST a cigar."" |
bean fidhleir |
Apr-01-08 06:58 AM |
#130 |

I just thought it was playful and sexy |
eShirl |
Mar-31-08 09:12 AM |
#37 |

Non issue. They're mainstream icons doing what they do. NT |
mondo joe |
Mar-31-08 09:15 AM |
#38 |

Eh. Who cares. n/t |
distantearlywarning |
Mar-31-08 09:16 AM |
#39 |

It's kind of cute. No big deal. /nt |
mwb970 |
Mar-31-08 09:17 AM |
#41 |

Anyone who looks at that photo and sees King Kong has some issues to work out |
Bucky |
Mar-31-08 09:22 AM |
#44 |

I don't think he looks scary at all. It's a playful shot. |
alphafemale |
Mar-31-08 09:23 AM |
#45 |

Has anyone asked Annie Leibowitz? |
GloriaSmith |
Mar-31-08 09:32 AM |
#49 |

A Beautiful Man and a Beautiful Woman. |
Hottest Housewife |
Mar-31-08 09:45 AM |
#55 |

I think it's humorous. |
Ordr |
Mar-31-08 09:56 AM |
#56 |

WHO CARES ABOUT A MAGAZINE COVER? |
robcon |
Mar-31-08 10:11 AM |
#62 |
 
er... yeah. pop culture has no influence at all on ...um... pop culture. |
Iris |
Mar-31-08 07:24 PM |
#107 |

My take is that the article's author is about 4 days behind the curve |
krkaufman |
Mar-31-08 10:14 AM |
#63 |

No matter their intent, they "won" |
SoCalDem |
Mar-31-08 10:19 AM |
#65 |
 
Revealing how so few can acknowledge "advertising/psych" techniques exist |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 10:25 AM |
#69 |

Yeah, let's keep interracial shit off magazine covers |
Paint It Black |
Mar-31-08 10:24 AM |
#68 |

King Kong? Oh Lord what utter nonsense. I am always amazed |
JeanGrey |
Mar-31-08 10:39 AM |
#74 |

some people will find something offensive about everything |
BoneDaddy |
Mar-31-08 11:12 AM |
#77 |
 
damned liberals |
Two Americas |
Mar-31-08 06:22 PM |
#103 |

I do not mind intelligent discourse |
BoneDaddy |
Mar-31-08 08:43 PM |
#120 |

I am confused |
Two Americas |
Apr-01-08 12:48 AM |
#125 |

Nice try |
BoneDaddy |
Apr-01-08 02:48 PM |
#136 |

"pervasive need to feel like a victim" |
Two Americas |
Apr-01-08 04:28 PM |
#141 |

I don't feel like a victim at all |
BoneDaddy |
Apr-02-08 07:52 AM |
#151 |

Hmmm |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-31-08 01:03 PM |
#83 |

I think Gisele needs to learn to play defense. |
DuStrange |
Mar-31-08 04:40 PM |
#91 |
 
But first she needs some "sensible shoes" |
Karenina |
Mar-31-08 06:42 PM |
#104 |

I see two attractive young, healthy, people. n/t |
bluedawg12 |
Mar-31-08 05:06 PM |
#92 |

The idea that it's ok to relate that handsome athlete |
varelse |
Mar-31-08 05:11 PM |
#93 |

Publicity stunt. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Mar-31-08 05:31 PM |
#97 |
 
Not 100% sure, but I think we may have a winner here. |
nomorenomore08 |
Mar-31-08 05:43 PM |
#99 |
 
I'm going with the hooligan on this one. |
rucky |
Mar-31-08 07:48 PM |
#115 |
 
That is indeed the purpose |
mitchum |
Apr-01-08 03:15 PM |
#139 |

Who cares about the cover when Apolo Ohno is on the inside?! |
janetle |
Mar-31-08 05:54 PM |
#101 |

It's a cultural Rorschach test |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Mar-31-08 07:29 PM |
#109 |
 
I think this may be the best post of the thread. Short and to the point. |
nomorenomore08 |
Mar-31-08 07:37 PM |
#110 |

Within a corporate culture mired in a 24/7 barrage of marketed images/ideas, the "test" is rigged.. |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 07:44 PM |
#112 |

I don't disagree with that at all, and the constant barrage of imagery does cloud the mind. |
nomorenomore08 |
Mar-31-08 07:48 PM |
#114 |

Everywhere one turns there are images that promote machismo and subordinate women |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-08 08:13 PM |
#117 |

Here's the flaw in your thinking |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Mar-31-08 08:40 PM |
#118 |

the flaw in your argument |
Two Americas |
Apr-01-08 01:03 AM |
#126 |

My take is that Gisele Bundchen is REALLY cute |
jmowreader |
Mar-31-08 07:44 PM |
#113 |

WTF ? |
HuffleClaw |
Apr-01-08 02:06 AM |
#127 |

King Kong: adding a new layer of racism. |
readmoreoften |
Apr-01-08 02:41 AM |
#128 |

it looks like she wants him more than he wants her |
JI7 |
Apr-01-08 02:44 AM |
#129 |
 
Or he's all but refusing to play his assigned part |
bean fidhleir |
Apr-01-08 04:31 PM |
#142 |

thread douchebaggery overload limit has been breached! |
DS1 |
Apr-01-08 01:26 PM |
#134 |
 
Holy Shit! (OT) |
Beetwasher |
Apr-01-08 09:39 PM |
#147 |

Of course that's what it is...it is not as if marketing culture and court hack Annie Leibowitz |
mitchum |
Apr-01-08 02:55 PM |
#138 |

I Think We All Need To Keep Fucking Eachother Until We're All The Same Color |
Beetwasher |
Apr-01-08 09:42 PM |
#148 |

Isn't it racist to equate a picture of a black athlete to King Kong? |
Paint It Black |
Apr-01-08 11:04 PM |
#150 |