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| -What should happen to the 14 year old boy who killed the gay boy in his classroom? |
cynatnite |
Mar-30-08 01:13 AM |
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i think it was just an emotional reaction |
JI7 |
Mar-30-08 01:15 AM |
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I have reason to wonder about that... |
cynatnite |
Mar-30-08 01:18 AM |
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You Are Correct. It Was Not a Gut Reaction. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 08:31 AM |
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Hate does not cure nor prevent further hate.... |
hlthe2b |
Mar-30-08 08:59 AM |
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I'm sorry. I hate that my GLBT friends have had to suffer like that. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-30-08 09:12 AM |
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Thank You, Midlo, For Your Good Opinion Of Me. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 09:42 AM |
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You haven't caused me to think poorly of you. At all. |
Midlodemocrat |
Mar-30-08 09:51 AM |
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Yes, exactly. Well said. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 08:27 PM |
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My Rules as a Gay Man |
cbaker3122 |
Mar-30-08 11:15 AM |
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Killing this kid doesn't remove the threat at all |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 08:26 PM |
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Don't mean to disagree but, |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-30-08 08:59 PM |
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It removes one child |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 09:06 PM |
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I don't disagree with you about dealing with it at the root. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-30-08 09:14 PM |
#98 |
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I know. I understand that |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 09:30 PM |
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We disagree, I don't believe it's always the answer. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-30-08 09:41 PM |
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well then |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-31-08 05:22 PM |
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I think when you're dealing with a child, you hold the parents |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-31-08 08:46 PM |
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You Could Say The Same Thing About Locking Him Up, JerseyGirl. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 09:31 PM |
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Yes, I suppose you could |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 09:45 PM |
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From a broader sociological perspective |
nathan hale |
Mar-30-08 01:18 AM |
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Most likely, He will go on to kill again.... |
opihimoimoi |
Mar-30-08 01:21 AM |
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So put him to death because you think he might kill again? |
cynatnite |
Mar-30-08 01:34 AM |
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He killed somebody...life for the victim ended....intentionally killed... |
opihimoimoi |
Mar-30-08 06:03 AM |
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True. He probably would, unless ... |
quantessd |
Mar-30-08 02:23 AM |
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40 years....in a system that treat rehabs disturbed minds |
opihimoimoi |
Mar-30-08 06:04 AM |
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Utter nonsense |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-31-08 09:55 AM |
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Good. Let's Put Him in Day Care With Your Kids, Since He's So Safe. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 02:52 PM |
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Was that intended not to be a complete non-sequitur? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-31-08 03:54 PM |
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Dupe. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 02:52 PM |
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The boy that was murdered was most likely a 'better person' than |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-08 01:24 AM |
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That boy murdered seemed like such a nice kid just trying to be himself. I |
zonkers |
Mar-30-08 01:33 AM |
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As I said, it would take the "wisdom of Solomon" |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-08 02:01 AM |
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I'd say there's no 'most likely' about it. |
Withywindle |
Mar-31-08 02:04 AM |
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HIS FAMILY |
elleng |
Mar-30-08 01:27 AM |
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Life or something close |
pbca |
Mar-30-08 01:31 AM |
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maybe it was just the Twinkies he ate |
Lex |
Mar-30-08 01:34 AM |
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Life in prison |
bluestateguy |
Mar-30-08 01:39 AM |
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Whatever the case, there are two victims of the crime. |
sofa king |
Mar-30-08 01:44 AM |
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Wait.....there are not two victims of the crime |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-08 02:33 AM |
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Exactly..what choice did the murdered victim get? |
kevinbgoode |
Mar-30-08 02:58 AM |
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He's still a victim of his own actions. |
sofa king |
Mar-30-08 01:48 PM |
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Compassion and education... |
Luminous Animal |
Mar-30-08 01:49 AM |
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He shouldn't even be in prison!?!?! What "hope" is there for his victim? |
Bluebear |
Mar-30-08 01:59 AM |
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Well.. |
Luminous Animal |
Mar-30-08 02:41 AM |
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When he's a loving, productive human being, let society know. |
Bluebear |
Mar-30-08 02:49 AM |
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Are you sure of that? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-30-08 09:06 PM |
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You can't rehab a sociopath |
LostinVA |
Mar-31-08 09:53 AM |
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Yeah, teaching someone (who still lives) and killed another that : |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-08 02:24 AM |
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Indeed... |
Luminous Animal |
Mar-30-08 02:47 AM |
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The monster was already created |
kevinbgoode |
Mar-30-08 03:02 AM |
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Wah???? |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-08 03:02 AM |
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It could be worse |
LostinVA |
Mar-31-08 09:57 AM |
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"Anally raped".. Yeah, why DOES that happen in American prisons and not in Western European prisons? |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-30-08 05:11 AM |
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Because we are a much more violent society, not proud of it, but it's true. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-30-08 09:11 PM |
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He murdered someone... |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-30-08 09:15 AM |
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as the other poster says, the dude is already a monster |
pitohui |
Mar-30-08 11:00 AM |
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Mar-31-08 07:41 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Mar-31-08 09:56 AM |
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Whoa... No question this kid is vile, but that's a little too much schadenfreude even for me... |
nomorenomore08 |
Mar-31-08 04:14 PM |
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Anal rape's good revenge and forced feminisation isn't? |
baby_mouse |
Apr-01-08 02:11 AM |
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No -- keep him in juvenile until he's an adult, then put him in adult prison and NEVER let him out |
LostinVA |
Mar-31-08 09:55 AM |
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He should never leave prison. |
mainegreen |
Mar-31-08 11:13 AM |
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He is obviously an innocent victim and we should all feel sorry for him. |
fiziwig |
Mar-30-08 02:10 AM |
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Oh, which thread? An entirely different topic? |
quantessd |
Mar-30-08 02:40 AM |
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This was a fourteen-year-old kid. |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 02:20 AM |
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One of the saddest parts of our society in my honest opinion |
donheld |
Mar-30-08 02:59 AM |
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I'm afraid as a society we find it easier to toss |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 09:37 PM |
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I answered with a 'no' |
malakai2 |
Mar-30-08 03:02 AM |
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thank you... |
kevinbgoode |
Mar-30-08 03:26 AM |
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I am not advocating that he be spared the consequences ... |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 08:04 PM |
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And I am saying that the premeditation suggests otherwise |
malakai2 |
Mar-30-08 09:29 PM |
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And therein lies the problem ... |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 09:41 PM |
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Honestly, their brains just don't even work the way an |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 09:52 PM |
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Well, if he's a kid, then his parents are responsible, aren't they? |
kevinbgoode |
Mar-30-08 03:10 AM |
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The parents, the extended family and friends who taught |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 09:39 PM |
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I agree with you Nance...... up to a point |
tkmorris |
Mar-30-08 03:12 AM |
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You are so right in what you say here |
Mind_your_head |
Mar-30-08 03:26 AM |
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I'm heartened that there is someone out there who sees it too |
tkmorris |
Mar-30-08 03:36 AM |
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I completely agree. Why aren't Democratic presidential candidates saying these things? |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-30-08 05:18 AM |
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They do? That's very, very disappointing to read. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 09:40 PM |
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US Capitol Punishment differs from European Capitol Punishment |
Hottest Housewife |
Mar-31-08 08:01 AM |
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But there's the problem: if they are not willing to lead, nothing will ever change. |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-31-08 02:33 PM |
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Well stated, tkmorris |
Echo In Light |
Mar-30-08 08:48 AM |
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Nance, I like you, but this is absolute bollocks. |
Chovexani |
Mar-30-08 02:22 PM |
#75 |
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If I may? |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 08:19 PM |
#87 |
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Yet More "Boys Will Be Boys". |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 09:56 PM |
#113 |
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Jesus H. Christmas ... |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 10:16 PM |
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Indeed. You're Safe From Me. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 10:35 PM |
#117 |
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When anyone talks about ... |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 10:40 PM |
#118 |
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Funny....I Thought The Danger Lies With the Madmen With the Guns. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 11:00 PM |
#120 |
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Yeah, you have a "cause" for your hatred. |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 11:12 PM |
#121 |
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Wow. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 11:24 PM |
#122 |
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Instilling disappointment in someone who thinks ... |
NanceGreggs |
Mar-30-08 11:33 PM |
#123 |
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How dare you |
dsc |
Mar-31-08 08:38 AM |
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There is nothing inhuman about putting down an unfixable sociopath. |
chixydix |
Mar-31-08 10:47 AM |
#145 |
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Rabid animals at least have the excuse of a viral infection. |
Hottest Housewife |
Mar-31-08 08:15 AM |
#131 |
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I remember when I was 14, yes. |
Withywindle |
Mar-31-08 02:16 AM |
#126 |
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Exactly -- the "boys will be boys" mentality of some is appalling |
LostinVA |
Mar-31-08 10:20 AM |
#144 |
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To me, letting them off on basis of age is an insult |
Withywindle |
Mar-31-08 11:44 PM |
#184 |
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I'm against the death penalty, period |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-30-08 02:54 AM |
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your arguments against the dealth penalty are old, tired, and wrong |
provis99 |
Mar-30-08 03:12 AM |
#32 |
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I'll bite |
tkmorris |
Mar-30-08 03:33 AM |
#36 |
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Well, issue #1... |
malakai2 |
Mar-30-08 03:47 AM |
#39 |
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And issue #2... |
malakai2 |
Mar-30-08 04:20 AM |
#42 |
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A response |
varkam |
Mar-30-08 04:38 AM |
#43 |
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i am all for the death penalty |
selador |
Mar-30-08 03:47 AM |
#38 |
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How did the kid get a GUN into the school? |
Elspeth |
Mar-30-08 03:53 AM |
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DU's a little slow on the uptake, this sadness occurred in my state a month & a half ago |
bridgit |
Mar-30-08 03:55 AM |
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A DU'er who gives such an answer, has no business being on a progressive board. |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-30-08 05:05 AM |
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Thanks, Mr. Moral Conscience! |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 08:03 AM |
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If you are the one who said those horrible things about the kid, you alreadt ARE like a Republican, |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-30-08 05:38 PM |
#78 |
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Yes, 10 Years In Prison For a Murdered Gay Teen Is Much More Democratic. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 07:27 PM |
#80 |
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No, throwing away a TEEN like trash because he got brainwashed by a corrupt society is YOUR idea of |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-30-08 07:42 PM |
#82 |
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The Teen IS Trash. How's About Instead of Killing Him, We Send Him to Live With You? |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 08:04 PM |
#86 |
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It's about time you took some anger management classes. |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-31-08 02:35 PM |
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I'm Not Claiming Any Such Thing. YOU'RE the One Who Brought Morality Into This. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 02:50 PM |
#151 |
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The dirtiest trick in the extreme right's book and you use it. Congratulations! |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-31-08 02:58 PM |
#154 |
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Silly Dutch Person! Republicans Don't Care About Gay Kids! |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 03:11 PM |
#156 |
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You're disgusting. Enjoy my ignore list. |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-31-08 04:37 PM |
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Enjoy Your Piety, Compassionless Jerk. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 07:41 PM |
#173 |
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The irony is Stephen Colbert (from your sig) would roast and despise you... |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-01-08 05:02 PM |
#192 |
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Aren't You Supposed to Be Ignoring Me? |
Toasterlad |
Apr-01-08 05:52 PM |
#195 |
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Well, I never pushed the ignore-button before... But you are SUCH a little pest, that I HAVE to... |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-02-08 05:43 AM |
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You appear to have a penchant |
LanternWaste |
Mar-31-08 05:22 PM |
#167 |
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He Said He'd Give The Kid 10 Years. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 07:29 PM |
#170 |
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only phrase of yours on this board that is suspect |
LanternWaste |
Apr-01-08 08:49 AM |
#191 |
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It's Called Sarcasm. You Might Want to Look Into It. Or Did You Need the Stupid Red Cloud? |
Toasterlad |
Apr-01-08 05:57 PM |
#196 |
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It's also called hyperbole. |
LanternWaste |
Apr-02-08 08:27 AM |
#199 |
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How odd that in all your rhetoric you have yet to volunteer to have this kid come live with you. |
chixydix |
Mar-31-08 05:02 PM |
#165 |
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Possibly the poster... |
LanternWaste |
Mar-31-08 05:23 PM |
#168 |
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This is nonsense. Where did I advocate such a thing? Do I have to respond to absurd questions? |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-01-08 05:06 PM |
#193 |
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I'd say give him 10 years in prison and good counseling. |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-30-08 05:07 AM |
#45 |
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Justice is partly counted by how we treat those we despise |
booley |
Mar-30-08 05:56 AM |
#48 |
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life in prison, of course |
aikoaiko |
Mar-30-08 08:42 AM |
#53 |
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Life in Prison with no parole |
dsc |
Mar-30-08 08:48 AM |
#54 |
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That killing sent a message: |
asthmaticeog |
Mar-30-08 08:54 AM |
#56 |
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I know. It's always tempting to respond in kind, especially when you consider how... |
Echo In Light |
Mar-30-08 09:07 AM |
#59 |
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Fry 'em up. |
AlertLurker |
Mar-30-08 09:06 AM |
#58 |
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Emotional reactions |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-30-08 09:09 AM |
#60 |
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I genuinely don't know, but I do know |
ulysses |
Mar-30-08 09:09 AM |
#61 |
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Box punishment with intensive therapy. No death penalty! NEVER! |
lonestarnot |
Mar-30-08 09:54 AM |
#66 |
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i don't have a problem with humane execution of this person |
pitohui |
Mar-30-08 10:52 AM |
#67 |
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Gulag |
slackmaster |
Mar-30-08 10:54 AM |
#68 |
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This event is so disturbing... |
marions ghost |
Mar-30-08 11:01 AM |
#70 |
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It's a difficult case with no easy answers... |
SidDithers |
Mar-30-08 11:23 AM |
#72 |
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Yup. In a better world, thought would be given to what the best outcome at this point... |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-30-08 08:23 PM |
#90 |
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Two choices. |
roamer65 |
Mar-30-08 01:56 PM |
#74 |
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Would you want a murderer at your deathbed? |
Hottest Housewife |
Mar-31-08 08:33 AM |
#132 |
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So Very Well Said. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 08:35 AM |
#133 |
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Just send the fucker to jail. That is where he belongs. |
applegrove |
Mar-30-08 04:38 PM |
#76 |
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No idea, where do you start with a case like this? |
Rex |
Mar-30-08 04:39 PM |
#77 |
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Yup. |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-30-08 08:20 PM |
#88 |
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He needs to be sent away for life. |
alarimer |
Mar-30-08 07:08 PM |
#79 |
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I agree - I think he needs therapy though and I don't think you get |
whutgives |
Mar-30-08 09:41 PM |
#110 |
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Murder is murder. Whether done by an individual or the state. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-30-08 07:35 PM |
#81 |
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He should be tried as a minor |
ncabot22 |
Mar-30-08 07:47 PM |
#83 |
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i couldn't agree more. i think it's DISGUSTING when minors are charged as adults. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-31-08 10:21 PM |
#180 |
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I Just Don't Agree With The Death Penalty |
Irishonly |
Mar-30-08 07:55 PM |
#84 |
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I completely agree with you |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 08:22 PM |
#89 |
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I could care less. I'm more concerned about the millions of other violent, anti-gay minors |
readmoreoften |
Mar-30-08 08:43 PM |
#93 |
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This is a tragic story |
malaise |
Mar-30-08 09:20 PM |
#99 |
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I am pro death penalty, but only if there's proof, and never for kids |
Firespirit |
Mar-30-08 09:27 PM |
#100 |
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Father forgive them.. |
Fumesucker |
Mar-30-08 09:32 PM |
#104 |
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forgiveness is for the victim(s) |
mitchtv |
Mar-30-08 10:02 PM |
#114 |
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I find it interesting |
Fumesucker |
Mar-30-08 10:45 PM |
#119 |
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THAT is a fact. You can't convince supporters of capital punishment with facts. |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-31-08 02:39 PM |
#149 |
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Yes, obviously it is a fact |
Fumesucker |
Mar-31-08 07:30 PM |
#171 |
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If he's found guilty by a jury, then he should get 45 years to life with no parole. |
MilesColtrane |
Mar-30-08 10:17 PM |
#116 |
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Juries are bought and paid for; they get manipulated, starting during pre-selection. |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-01-08 05:15 PM |
#194 |
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He should be treated far less harshly than an adult who committed the same crime. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-31-08 01:57 AM |
#124 |
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The only blood of a 14 year-old in this thread is that of the victim. |
Hottest Housewife |
Mar-31-08 08:39 AM |
#135 |
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No, that's simply not true. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-31-08 09:57 AM |
#142 |
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Give it up. The people want vengeance, not a rehabilitated productive member of society. |
DutchLiberal |
Mar-31-08 02:42 PM |
#150 |
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He should face the hangman. |
MrSlayer |
Mar-31-08 02:32 AM |
#127 |
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Life in prison--no chance of parole. |
Vidar |
Mar-31-08 08:05 AM |
#130 |
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He's a sociopath and a danger to society -- he should never get out |
LostinVA |
Mar-31-08 09:50 AM |
#136 |
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I agree. He should spend his entire life considering what he did. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-31-08 10:02 AM |
#143 |
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I grew up gay in the town next door to this one. |
CitizenRob |
Mar-31-08 03:06 PM |
#155 |
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Look at the thinking of the monsters in this county... |
CitizenRob |
Mar-31-08 03:51 PM |
#159 |
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cripes that is horrilble |
dsc |
Mar-31-08 04:06 PM |
#161 |
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Fry him. |
truebrit71 |
Mar-31-08 03:15 PM |
#157 |
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Mar-31-08 03:20 PM |
#158 |
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He's 14. If he spends a decade in prison, it will be too much. |
Xithras |
Mar-31-08 04:49 PM |
#164 |
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bullshit |
dsc |
Mar-31-08 05:44 PM |
#169 |
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"Sorry for the dead kid" |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 07:34 PM |
#172 |
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Murder is murder is murder... |
Fumesucker |
Mar-31-08 08:37 PM |
#174 |
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. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-31-08 08:41 PM |
#176 |
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Here is my point. |
Fumesucker |
Mar-31-08 11:03 PM |
#181 |
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I am against the DP |
dsc |
Mar-31-08 11:07 PM |
#182 |
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I didn't say anything was proven |
Fumesucker |
Mar-31-08 11:27 PM |
#183 |
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Try the parents and lock them up. Kid shouldn't be killed because |
whutgives |
Mar-31-08 08:40 PM |
#175 |
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I don't see the DP for a 14 yo |
mitchtv |
Mar-31-08 10:11 PM |
#178 |
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he should be charged as the minor that he is. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-31-08 10:19 PM |
#179 |
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Nuh uh. |
Withywindle |
Mar-31-08 11:54 PM |
#185 |
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uh huh |
QuestionAll |
Apr-01-08 08:47 AM |
#190 |
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I'll forgo the castration suggestion quoted by the OP, but |
Zavulon |
Apr-01-08 12:07 AM |
#186 |
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I wouldn't shed a tear if they executed this 14 yo |
atal |
Apr-01-08 03:14 AM |
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Facts, figures and statistics from Europe prove otherwise. |
DutchLiberal |
Apr-02-08 05:46 AM |
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life in prison, at a minimum. nt |
VotesForWomen |
Apr-01-08 03:14 AM |
#189 |
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