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Sat Mar-29-08 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #28 |
| 66. You blew it in your second paragraph. |
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You said, "Schools should be a place where all of our children can go to learn without the fear of being shot in the head for wearing makeup."
Obviously you haven't had much touch with reality, schools or the nature of teenagers. High school, simply put, is hell, not created by Satan but by teachers and other students. Until you understand this essential fact, you have no hope of doing anything for anybody in school.
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| -A gay student murdered in a classroom... |
cynatnite |
Mar-28-08 09:52 PM |
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Since when is drag... |
Noirceuil |
Mar-28-08 10:01 PM |
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What he was wearing was probably not a violation of the dress code... |
cynatnite |
Mar-28-08 10:04 PM |
#4 |
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Transsexuals or transgenders beware: |
Lex |
Mar-28-08 10:04 PM |
#5 |
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Given the nature... |
Noirceuil |
Mar-28-08 10:06 PM |
#6 |
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It is. And you were challenging that, as well. |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:08 PM |
#9 |
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Because he would rather die on his feet |
DBoon |
Mar-28-08 10:18 PM |
#15 |
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He is. He made his point. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:20 PM |
#17 |
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Unfortunately, being a hero in most cases aslo requires being a martyr |
TheFriendlyAnarchist |
Mar-28-08 10:22 PM |
#19 |
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Idiotic is your first reply. |
RedCappedBandit |
Mar-28-08 10:13 PM |
#11 |
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Given the nature... |
demmiblue |
Mar-28-08 10:19 PM |
#16 |
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NEWS FLASH: |
Noirceuil |
Mar-28-08 10:25 PM |
#20 |
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But do you understand why he did what he did? nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:30 PM |
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I understand.. |
Noirceuil |
Mar-28-08 10:34 PM |
#25 |
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Maybe they agreed with his approach. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:36 PM |
#27 |
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Speaking of curiosity.. |
RedCappedBandit |
Mar-28-08 11:02 PM |
#41 |
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In CA, thankfully, it's illegal to discriminate based on gender identity |
LostinVA |
Mar-29-08 12:15 PM |
#84 |
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did you read the article? |
unapatriciated |
Mar-29-08 12:30 PM |
#87 |
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Maybe because the school |
Popol Vuh |
Mar-29-08 01:20 PM |
#97 |
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I can guarantee you that no matter what the kid wore |
donheld |
Mar-30-08 03:27 AM |
#131 |
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Hmm... |
demmiblue |
Mar-28-08 10:47 PM |
#31 |
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You don't have to be a far-left nut to not be transphobic |
LostinVA |
Mar-29-08 12:14 PM |
#83 |
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True. I'm not a "far-left nut" and I'm not transphobic. |
quantessd |
Mar-29-08 11:51 PM |
#119 |
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We don't really know what the kid was |
LostinVA |
Mar-30-08 07:38 AM |
#135 |
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So what are you moderate or centrist about? |
zanne |
Mar-30-08 08:50 AM |
#143 |
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Your post blames the kid for his attire being responsible |
Lex |
Mar-28-08 10:37 PM |
#29 |
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Am I the only one... |
Noirceuil |
Mar-28-08 10:45 PM |
#30 |
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I have an idea, maybe schools should actually put restrictions on the |
hulklogan |
Mar-28-08 10:52 PM |
#32 |
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Do you have a sincere, serious argument? Nope. ..zzzzzzzzzz.... |
quantessd |
Mar-30-08 01:49 AM |
#126 |
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I thought the post was quite well argued. |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 03:02 PM |
#172 |
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The school should "not have allowed it" or the school should have educated |
Lex |
Mar-28-08 10:56 PM |
#35 |
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Agreed. You don't force the person in the right to change. |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:59 PM |
#38 |
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You must be one of them far left nuts! |
RedCappedBandit |
Mar-28-08 11:05 PM |
#43 |
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My English professor... |
Noirceuil |
Mar-28-08 11:27 PM |
#46 |
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Thank the FSM for the sarcasm tag ;) |
RedCappedBandit |
Mar-28-08 11:33 PM |
#49 |
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For that price he should have taught you how to write a grammatically correct declarative sentence. |
roughsatori |
Mar-29-08 01:10 AM |
#58 |
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You should take that course one more time. |
Vickers |
Mar-30-08 01:17 AM |
#123 |
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Wow. Looks like you really got your money's worth. |
kgfnally |
Mar-30-08 10:24 AM |
#148 |
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Funny, I remember high school too |
RedCappedBandit |
Mar-28-08 11:04 PM |
#42 |
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For the kid's emotional safety, it's important for schools to allow it |
LostinVA |
Mar-29-08 12:16 PM |
#85 |
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They should have been able to predict that the student would get shot? |
gollygee |
Mar-29-08 01:49 PM |
#99 |
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I remember |
texshelters |
Mar-29-08 02:35 PM |
#104 |
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schools |
selador |
Mar-29-08 03:49 PM |
#106 |
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I think the kid probably knew the reaction he would get from people. |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:06 PM |
#7 |
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I don't think he knew the reaction. He was a teen. |
tomreedtoon |
Mar-28-08 10:32 PM |
#24 |
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I disagree. You can rail against it, provoke it, make it come to a head, |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:35 PM |
#26 |
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And your italics shows where you, too, went off the track. |
tomreedtoon |
Mar-29-08 02:02 AM |
#68 |
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Wow. It sounds like you had a bad experience and are projecting. |
SarahBelle |
Mar-29-08 05:22 PM |
#111 |
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So what is past life events but learning? |
tomreedtoon |
Mar-29-08 10:31 PM |
#116 |
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No. Think back to when you were 14 or 16. |
quantessd |
Mar-30-08 01:14 AM |
#122 |
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I'm sorry, but that is just as much of a "blame the victim" argument |
hulklogan |
Mar-28-08 10:37 PM |
#28 |
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You blew it in your second paragraph. |
tomreedtoon |
Mar-29-08 01:59 AM |
#66 |
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Bullshit, I work with teenagers every day in my job. |
hulklogan |
Mar-29-08 08:27 AM |
#74 |
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High school may be hell, but most kids are not murdered there. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-31-08 11:31 AM |
#187 |
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The school didn't "let" the killer bring the gun on the campus |
krispos42 |
Mar-29-08 05:25 PM |
#112 |
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I don't think you read my entire post. |
hulklogan |
Mar-29-08 11:27 PM |
#117 |
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So you did |
krispos42 |
Mar-30-08 02:42 AM |
#128 |
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Lawrence King was bullied on a daily basis, and there was a prior confrontation |
hulklogan |
Mar-30-08 08:44 AM |
#141 |
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You are correct |
krispos42 |
Mar-30-08 12:33 PM |
#155 |
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Que? |
Luminous Animal |
Mar-30-08 01:36 AM |
#125 |
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Well, no shit. |
Lex |
Mar-30-08 02:08 PM |
#167 |
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And whoever chooses to try and kill me, because I won't conform.... |
TheWatcher |
Mar-28-08 11:19 PM |
#45 |
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No, but if you're surrounded by Hottentots, you don't let your kid... |
gulliver |
Mar-30-08 07:46 AM |
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Sounds like "blame the victim' |
mitchtv |
Mar-28-08 10:08 PM |
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The school is responsible for some kid's homophobic psychosis? |
Nevernose |
Mar-28-08 10:30 PM |
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I agree. This is the job of PARENTS- to teach their children right from wrong. |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:31 PM |
#23 |
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see my post #3 |
mitchtv |
Mar-28-08 10:53 PM |
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you misunderstand |
mitchtv |
Mar-28-08 10:59 PM |
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He/she deserved it because of what she/he said/did/thought/wore. |
Sabriel |
Mar-28-08 10:15 PM |
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That's not what he said. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:16 PM |
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That's what he meant. |
kgfnally |
Mar-28-08 11:30 PM |
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I think everyone DID know. |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 11:38 PM |
#50 |
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So the parents and the school district are at fault for letting the boy be himself? |
hulklogan |
Mar-28-08 10:22 PM |
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Since when is worrying about what a kid is dressed in |
DadOf2LittleAngels |
Mar-28-08 10:26 PM |
#21 |
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Seriously. |
Cabcere |
Mar-29-08 02:07 PM |
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One of the kids at my high school was in transition- she'd had hormones and top surgery |
LeftyMom |
Mar-28-08 11:27 PM |
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Great. Post. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 11:40 PM |
#51 |
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yes, it was (nt) |
Lex |
Mar-28-08 11:50 PM |
#52 |
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Best post in this thread. |
JackBeck |
Mar-29-08 12:08 AM |
#55 |
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Thanks! |
LeftyMom |
Mar-29-08 12:26 AM |
#56 |
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He's become an over the shoulder poster. |
JackBeck |
Mar-29-08 12:54 AM |
#57 |
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Awesome post. |
Harvey Korman |
Mar-29-08 01:55 AM |
#64 |
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Another of my favorites. |
JackBeck |
Mar-29-08 02:01 AM |
#67 |
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Amazing post LeftyMom Thanks!!! NT |
roughsatori |
Mar-29-08 10:58 AM |
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Not drag. |
JackBeck |
Mar-29-08 01:53 AM |
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That's the first thing that came to your mind when reading this? How sad for you. |
Bluebear |
Mar-29-08 02:03 AM |
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The kind that doesn't think children should be abused by forcing them to be someone they're not |
LostinVA |
Mar-29-08 12:13 PM |
#82 |
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Since there is no dress code |
LWolf |
Mar-29-08 01:14 PM |
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So when are jackboots and spiked dog collars acceptable attire for middle school? |
Raster |
Mar-29-08 02:06 PM |
#101 |
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'One persons acceptable is another's cabaret, and none is deserving of death.' |
Bluebear |
Mar-29-08 07:01 PM |
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Sees to me that if young ladies can wear blue jeans |
LanternWaste |
Mar-29-08 02:14 PM |
#103 |
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Unbelievable. |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:03 PM |
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And one of the administrators admitted on tv |
mitchtv |
Mar-28-08 10:03 PM |
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This is just fucking sad on so many levels. |
lonestarnot |
Mar-28-08 10:12 PM |
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Truly. nt |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:15 PM |
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This is so sad. |
anotheryellowdog |
Mar-28-08 10:55 PM |
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It's part of our country's growing pains, I think. |
BullGooseLoony |
Mar-28-08 10:58 PM |
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Are you saying that the 15 yr. old kid should be treated as an adult? n/t |
cynatnite |
Mar-28-08 10:59 PM |
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I'm saying that if I were on the jury |
anotheryellowdog |
Mar-28-08 11:14 PM |
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I'm not saying we should be tolerant of this sort of crime... |
cynatnite |
Mar-29-08 12:05 AM |
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Understood. Still, in my view |
anotheryellowdog |
Mar-29-08 01:33 AM |
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My 9 year old is old enough to pull the trigger... |
cynatnite |
Mar-29-08 04:21 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Mar-29-08 08:20 AM |
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I think only people with adult rights should be tried as adults |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-29-08 05:37 PM |
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I am tired of the hate |
Ichingcarpenter |
Mar-28-08 10:57 PM |
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Remember, misogyny is the cornerstone of homophobia |
Echo In Light |
Mar-29-08 08:40 AM |
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Which is why Feminist & GLBT Groups must work together. |
roughsatori |
Mar-29-08 01:43 PM |
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"Sound bite" culture makes it tough for many to connect the dots on this volatile issue |
Echo In Light |
Mar-30-08 08:04 AM |
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With you on that one |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-31-08 02:50 PM |
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So sad. |
Thelma Harper |
Mar-28-08 11:59 PM |
#53 |
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This was a terrible loss |
goodgd_yall |
Mar-29-08 01:17 AM |
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Thank you for posting this article and link. |
roughsatori |
Mar-29-08 01:27 AM |
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. . . |
sfexpat2000 |
Mar-29-08 01:29 AM |
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KICK NT |
roughsatori |
Mar-29-08 01:56 AM |
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i'm guessing this is why it is back in the news again: |
orleans |
Mar-29-08 02:06 AM |
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Did no one at that school |
nathan hale |
Mar-29-08 03:21 AM |
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The kid showed greater courage than the dim-bulb haters who deemed him inferior for lacking machismo |
Echo In Light |
Mar-29-08 08:33 AM |
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How did Brandon McInerney get a GUN into the computer lab? |
Elspeth |
Mar-29-08 11:45 AM |
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Poor kid :^( Poor family. Unreal how much hate there is in the world |
GreenPartyVoter |
Mar-29-08 11:49 AM |
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The Irony. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-29-08 11:59 AM |
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Prison sex does not make people gay. |
hulklogan |
Mar-29-08 12:06 PM |
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Prison rape doesn't make people gay -- people are BORN gay |
LostinVA |
Mar-29-08 12:40 PM |
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Doesn't matter if ppl are born gay, turn gay, or some combo. There's nothing wrong with it. |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-30-08 12:30 AM |
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Yes, It Does Matter. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 10:11 AM |
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Doesn't matter if it's a choice or not. There's nothing WRONG with it. |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-30-08 12:18 PM |
#151 |
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Nobody has said that there was. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 01:40 PM |
#164 |
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Pretending that it matters in the first place whether or not it's a choice implicitly... |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-30-08 03:17 PM |
#175 |
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I know what you mean. Personally I don't care if it is choice or not. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 03:52 PM |
#181 |
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Is That The Best You Can Do? |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 02:49 PM |
#169 |
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Shush. Go play with your legos. |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-30-08 03:18 PM |
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Good Idea. I'll Try and Build You Some Real Dialogue. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 03:30 PM |
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Who is "allowing" you to believe that? |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 01:38 PM |
#162 |
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Wrong. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 02:45 PM |
#168 |
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Then you need to educate. There is a thin line between education and mind control. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 03:12 PM |
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Please Don't Get Hung Up on the Word "Allow". |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 03:25 PM |
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But I did. Especially when you attach allow to something inately personal as beliefs. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 03:41 PM |
#180 |
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That's one of the most insulting and uninformed posts I've ever read here. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-29-08 01:50 PM |
#100 |
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It's also the cold hard truth. Like it or not. It's reality. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-29-08 04:49 PM |
#107 |
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I can't believe how people conflated what you said. |
joshcryer |
Mar-29-08 05:13 PM |
#110 |
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Meaningless. |
baby_mouse |
Mar-30-08 07:05 AM |
#132 |
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Being Raped By a Man Doesn't Make You a Homosexual, Clown. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-29-08 05:49 PM |
#114 |
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Straight people don't understand this fact. |
hulklogan |
Mar-29-08 11:31 PM |
#118 |
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First of all I never said anything about rape. The only people that saying that are people trying |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 12:59 PM |
#158 |
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Not all prison sex is rape. What you all can't seem to comprehend. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 12:44 PM |
#156 |
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Methinks You're Watching Too Many Prison Movies...Or Not Enough. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 02:59 PM |
#170 |
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No not at all. There is also prostitution that goes on in prisons. Even consensual sex. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 03:27 PM |
#178 |
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No. "Homosexual" means ATTRACTED to the same sex. NT. |
baby_mouse |
Mar-30-08 07:12 AM |
#133 |
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You need to take Latin. Homo can mean Man or Same. Attract is attrahere |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-08 01:06 PM |
#159 |
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Engaging in situational homosexual behavior does not turn one gay |
LostinVA |
Mar-30-08 07:45 AM |
#136 |
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So, if I'm raped by a man, then I become straight? For all "intents and purposes?" |
PelosiFan |
Mar-31-08 11:18 AM |
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Unwillingly, without his consent, though. |
quantessd |
Mar-30-08 02:29 AM |
#127 |
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1. No, he won't "turn" even in the unlikely event he is raped. |
baby_mouse |
Mar-30-08 07:16 AM |
#134 |
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if the schools dress code bans steel-toed shoes as a safety hazard, why does it allow high heels? |
QuestionAll |
Mar-29-08 12:22 PM |
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Should it ban high heels? How high is too high? |
hulklogan |
Mar-29-08 12:31 PM |
#88 |
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Hmm -- I see that I have them on "Ignore" for a good reason |
LostinVA |
Mar-29-08 12:52 PM |
#90 |
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the article mentioned that steel-toed shoes were banned as a 'safety hazard'... |
QuestionAll |
Mar-29-08 12:53 PM |
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Are high heels dangerous? I know steel-toed boots can do serious |
hulklogan |
Mar-29-08 12:59 PM |
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they can be- if wielded as a weapon, for one thing- sneakers don't have a pointy spike. |
QuestionAll |
Mar-29-08 01:07 PM |
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School dress codes vary widely. |
LWolf |
Mar-29-08 01:19 PM |
#95 |
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. |
LWolf |
Mar-29-08 01:20 PM |
#96 |
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Interesting thought |
nichomachus |
Mar-29-08 02:49 PM |
#105 |
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Agreed. |
Lex |
Mar-29-08 05:05 PM |
#109 |
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. |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-29-08 04:55 PM |
#108 |
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. |
donheld |
Mar-30-08 03:09 AM |
#129 |
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Maybe he dressed this way because he knew it would bring the problem |
madmom |
Mar-30-08 12:22 AM |
#120 |
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Horrible. |
Rex |
Mar-30-08 01:20 AM |
#124 |
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The key |
donheld |
Mar-30-08 03:20 AM |
#130 |
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Sexual harassment. |
gulliver |
Mar-30-08 08:29 AM |
#139 |
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Yes, Thank God That Gay Kid Won't Be Able to Flirt With Straight Boys Anymore. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 08:36 AM |
#140 |
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I didn't say he brought it on himself. |
gulliver |
Mar-30-08 09:06 AM |
#144 |
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How Would You Suggest He Should Have "Retaliated"? |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 09:59 AM |
#146 |
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not that it is terribly relevent |
dsc |
Mar-30-08 10:26 AM |
#149 |
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My mistake. n/t |
gulliver |
Mar-30-08 01:27 PM |
#161 |
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You say it's no excuse but you're excusing a murder as retaliation for unwanted flirting. |
hulklogan |
Mar-30-08 08:48 AM |
#142 |
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It's an explanation, not an excuse. |
gulliver |
Mar-30-08 09:14 AM |
#145 |
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"The social fight that King was engaging in was over the head of a twelve-year-old, IMO." |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 01:44 PM |
#165 |
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So we now need the flirting police at HS? Or is it just same-sex |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 10:31 AM |
#150 |
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Jerseygirl nailed that one |
Echo In Light |
Mar-30-08 12:20 PM |
#152 |
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Flirting and teasing are one thing... |
gulliver |
Mar-30-08 12:52 PM |
#157 |
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The only reason that flirting with him would bother the |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 01:40 PM |
#163 |
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Schools have policies against displays of affection, etc. |
wpelb |
Mar-30-08 01:50 PM |
#166 |
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Mostly about public displays of affection - that is to say, |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-08 02:59 PM |
#171 |
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'drag someone else into the storm with him' What "storm"? |
Bluebear |
Mar-30-08 12:22 PM |
#153 |
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The storm that happens sometimes when someone takes... |
gulliver |
Mar-30-08 01:15 PM |
#160 |
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In one sentence you say it is King's fault and in another you say you are not looking to fix blame. |
PelosiFan |
Mar-31-08 11:25 AM |
#186 |
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So now kids can't flirt with eachother? Or are you just saying gay kids can't? |
PelosiFan |
Mar-31-08 11:20 AM |
#185 |
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Probable reason for the shooting |
Omaha Steve |
Mar-30-08 12:25 PM |
#154 |
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The Reason For the Shooting Was Blind Hate. |
Toasterlad |
Mar-30-08 03:03 PM |
#173 |
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Agreed |
Omaha Steve |
Mar-30-08 03:52 PM |
#182 |
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How horrible. |
applegrove |
Mar-30-08 04:33 PM |
#183 |
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I have to ask myself this question, along with all of you. |
BlueFireAnt |
Mar-31-08 12:53 PM |
#188 |
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Heartbreaking! The irony is that the same boys who would... |
Zookeeper |
Mar-31-08 01:13 PM |
#189 |