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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-28-08 03:06 PM
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67. not until someone decides there's been enough dead, huh?
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  -When you use the word "Genocide" uppityperson  Mar-28-08 01:05 PM   #0 
  - This is pretty clear cut.  Vash the Stampede   Mar-28-08 01:14 PM   #1 
  - Au contraire  asteroid2003QQ47   Mar-28-08 01:33 PM   #2 
  - My "narrow little definition" is the one accepted by billions of people.  Vash the Stampede   Mar-28-08 02:08 PM   #15 
  - And the community of nations who have ratified the CPPCG  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:31 PM   #26 
  - POLL LEFT WORDS OUT!! Please check here for complete choices  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:41 PM   #37 
  - Geneva Conventions are "narrow little definition"?  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:32 PM   #28 
  - Did you listen to the Winter Soldier broadcast?  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 01:36 PM   #3 
  - Exactly right!  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:01 PM   #11 
  - "War Crimes and Genocide Today:  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:03 PM   #12 
     - Raphael Lemkin's "Genocide as a Crime Under International Law"  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:07 PM   #14 
  - That would be true if it were true.  lwfern   Mar-28-08 02:10 PM   #16 
  - What's false about that statement?  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:21 PM   #20 
     - In some cases  lwfern   Mar-28-08 02:23 PM   #22 
        - Unless the entire country is a free-fire zone, that argument doesn't stand  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:29 PM   #25 
           - So you mean like a 60 mile long area of killing everything that moved?  lwfern   Mar-28-08 02:56 PM   #57 
              - I use the only legal standard available...the CPPCG definition  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:07 PM   #68 
              - We didn't have to go door to door  lwfern   Mar-28-08 03:20 PM   #77 
                 - Once again, you're confusing the two  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:28 PM   #81 
              - THAT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:17 PM   #74 
  - What you don't understand is..  Xenotime   Mar-28-08 03:48 PM   #88 
  - I use it gratuitously, whenever it serves the narrow needs of a shortsighted argumentation moment...  BlooInBloo   Mar-28-08 01:40 PM   #4 
  - Well played, sir...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 01:44 PM   #6 
     - All about games Sid? A Tragedy- GENOCIDE ! Right here in America !!  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 01:47 PM   #8 
        - Weren't we talking about Iraq?...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 02:20 PM   #19 
           - When you use the word "Genocide"  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:27 PM   #23 
           - It's you who's trying to use the word Genocide, not me...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 02:36 PM   #31 
              - IT IS IN THE HEADING OF THE OP!!!  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:42 PM   #39 
           - NO Sid, we are talking here about the word Genocide, what it means  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:44 PM   #40 
              - Apologies, my reply below to the OP was on topic...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 02:50 PM   #48 
  - Article 2, b & c  rucky   Mar-28-08 01:41 PM   #5 
  - The meaning of the word is diluted when used improperly...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 01:45 PM   #7 
  - Armenia-initiated proposals on genocide early prevention and early warning signs.  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 01:59 PM   #10 
  - As to improper usage, I agree.  asteroid2003QQ47   Mar-28-08 02:05 PM   #13 
  - It is to me, but he poster who seemstobeonacrusade...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 02:18 PM   #18 
     - Please check the results of the poll SID  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:46 PM   #44 
     - Yeah, 'cause internet opinion polls are the final arbiter of accuracy..  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 02:53 PM   #54 
        - AND when the posting process somehow makes relevant words disappear from poll  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:56 PM   #58 
           - I know you're trying to gauge peoples understanding of the word...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 03:03 PM   #65 
              - do you really dwell  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 03:05 PM   #66 
                 - *grin*...not exclusively...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 03:08 PM   #70 
                    - Last time I looked Canada was part of North America  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:15 PM   #73 
     - won't accept the fact that some posters don't share her opinion  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:27 PM   #80 
  - Those are my thoughts also. Which term is used in no way diminishes how wrong it is.  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:31 PM   #27 
  - What about if it was NOT the intent but the result  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:37 PM   #33 
     - Of course it won't. It is a monstrous crime.  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:46 PM   #42 
  - tens of thousands of lives might have been saved.  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 01:52 PM   #9 
  - Bystanders to Genocide - Samantha Power, Atlantic Monthly, Sept. 2001  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:16 PM   #17 
  - Iraqi death toll over 2 million in two decades - A Muslim point of view  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:23 PM   #21 
  - A monstrous tragedy? Yes. Genocide? No.  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:27 PM   #24 
     - This genocide could have never happened  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:33 PM   #29 
     - So what does the word "Genocide" mean to you? Not talking Iraq, but genocide?  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:38 PM   #35 
     - but you started this thread because of mine and  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:41 PM   #36 
        - But I started this with the INTENT of discussing the terms, since that is  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:42 PM   #38 
           - Please don't tell me to go back to my thread  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:45 PM   #41 
              - Just asking to not hijack this thread. Said same upthread to  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:47 PM   #45 
                 - I'm sorry but I will not back down from him  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:50 PM   #50 
                    - And then a couple relevant words were left out of poll also.  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:55 PM   #56 
                       - This has been going on for YEARS here  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:02 PM   #62 
                       - and I do apologize to you because you have always been civil with me  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:03 PM   #64 
     - I'm sorry, but the legal definition of genocide clearly includes intent  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:53 PM   #55 
     - Intent in Rwanda was different than Intent in Iraq.  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:34 PM   #30 
     - Of course intent matters...intent is the fundamental motivation for genocide.  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:50 PM   #49 
     - Now please tell me, for the record WHO was POTUS  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:36 PM   #32 
     - You're referring to Bill Clinton, of course  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:51 PM   #51 
     - Agreed. Just 'cause it's not genocide...  SidDithers   Mar-28-08 02:37 PM   #34 
  - Sometimes people use the word to mean "lots and lots of people getting killed"  gollygee   Mar-28-08 02:46 PM   #43 
  - Which is exactly why the US is NOT committing genocide in Iraq  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:48 PM   #46 
     - Because of bush 1 and Clinton and bush 2 there are 2 million dead and  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:50 PM   #47 
        - So, to clear up confusion, at least for me, what do you mean when you hear or say "genocide in Iraq"  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 02:52 PM   #52 
        - Here are the facts  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 02:58 PM   #59 
           - A war crime is not the same thing as a genocide.  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:02 PM   #63 
              - not until someone decides there's been enough dead, huh?  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:06 PM   #67 
                 - It isn't about "enough" or any number  gollygee   Mar-28-08 03:08 PM   #69 
                    - Well said!  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:09 PM   #71 
        - Yes. But it's still not a genocide under the legal definition of the crime.  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 02:52 PM   #53 
        - so how very cool there's a million dead but it's not genocide YET  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:14 PM   #72 
           - how very cool that we can call anything whatever we want  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:17 PM   #75 
              - When will you call it genocide?  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:20 PM   #76 
                 - You're so fixated on numbers...I honestly don't understand that.  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:26 PM   #79 
                    - Well Iraqi Christians are almost wiped out?  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:35 PM   #84 
                       - If it's not our intent, then it's mass murder.  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:39 PM   #85 
                       - How do you know that was not the intent, are you a mind reader?  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:43 PM   #86 
                       - Are they?  gollygee   Mar-28-08 03:46 PM   #87 
                          - Tell me again who was bush's big supporters in this war?  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:50 PM   #89 
        - There are lots of different kinds of tragedies  gollygee   Mar-28-08 02:59 PM   #60 
  - I am asking for this to be locked for 2 reasons.  uppityperson   Mar-28-08 03:02 PM   #61 
  - only 20 votes?  seemslikeadream   Mar-28-08 03:22 PM   #78 
  - 20 Votes and 0 Recs even though over 600 Views  Zywiec   Mar-28-08 03:31 PM   #82 
  - "Mass murder for reasons of power and/or oil" is not genocide BY DEFINITION  MrCoffee   Mar-28-08 03:31 PM   #83 
  - Locking  SteppingRazor   Mar-28-08 03:52 PM   #90 
 

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