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Fri Mar-28-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #63 |
| 67. not until someone decides there's been enough dead, huh? |
| -When you use the word "Genocide" |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 01:05 PM |
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This is pretty clear cut. |
Vash the Stampede |
Mar-28-08 01:14 PM |
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Au contraire |
asteroid2003QQ47 |
Mar-28-08 01:33 PM |
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My "narrow little definition" is the one accepted by billions of people. |
Vash the Stampede |
Mar-28-08 02:08 PM |
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And the community of nations who have ratified the CPPCG |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:31 PM |
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POLL LEFT WORDS OUT!! Please check here for complete choices |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:41 PM |
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Geneva Conventions are "narrow little definition"? |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:32 PM |
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Did you listen to the Winter Soldier broadcast? |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 01:36 PM |
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Exactly right! |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:01 PM |
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"War Crimes and Genocide Today: |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:03 PM |
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Raphael Lemkin's "Genocide as a Crime Under International Law" |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:07 PM |
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That would be true if it were true. |
lwfern |
Mar-28-08 02:10 PM |
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What's false about that statement? |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:21 PM |
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In some cases |
lwfern |
Mar-28-08 02:23 PM |
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Unless the entire country is a free-fire zone, that argument doesn't stand |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:29 PM |
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So you mean like a 60 mile long area of killing everything that moved? |
lwfern |
Mar-28-08 02:56 PM |
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I use the only legal standard available...the CPPCG definition |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:07 PM |
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We didn't have to go door to door |
lwfern |
Mar-28-08 03:20 PM |
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Once again, you're confusing the two |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:28 PM |
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THAT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:17 PM |
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What you don't understand is.. |
Xenotime |
Mar-28-08 03:48 PM |
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I use it gratuitously, whenever it serves the narrow needs of a shortsighted argumentation moment... |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-28-08 01:40 PM |
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Well played, sir... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 01:44 PM |
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All about games Sid? A Tragedy- GENOCIDE ! Right here in America !! |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 01:47 PM |
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Weren't we talking about Iraq?... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 02:20 PM |
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When you use the word "Genocide" |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:27 PM |
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It's you who's trying to use the word Genocide, not me... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 02:36 PM |
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IT IS IN THE HEADING OF THE OP!!! |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:42 PM |
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NO Sid, we are talking here about the word Genocide, what it means |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:44 PM |
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Apologies, my reply below to the OP was on topic... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 02:50 PM |
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Article 2, b & c |
rucky |
Mar-28-08 01:41 PM |
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The meaning of the word is diluted when used improperly... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 01:45 PM |
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Armenia-initiated proposals on genocide early prevention and early warning signs. |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 01:59 PM |
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As to improper usage, I agree. |
asteroid2003QQ47 |
Mar-28-08 02:05 PM |
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It is to me, but he poster who seemstobeonacrusade... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 02:18 PM |
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Please check the results of the poll SID |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:46 PM |
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Yeah, 'cause internet opinion polls are the final arbiter of accuracy.. |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 02:53 PM |
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AND when the posting process somehow makes relevant words disappear from poll |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:56 PM |
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I know you're trying to gauge peoples understanding of the word... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 03:03 PM |
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do you really dwell |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 03:05 PM |
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*grin*...not exclusively... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 03:08 PM |
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Last time I looked Canada was part of North America |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:15 PM |
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won't accept the fact that some posters don't share her opinion |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:27 PM |
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Those are my thoughts also. Which term is used in no way diminishes how wrong it is. |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:31 PM |
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What about if it was NOT the intent but the result |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:37 PM |
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Of course it won't. It is a monstrous crime. |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:46 PM |
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tens of thousands of lives might have been saved. |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 01:52 PM |
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Bystanders to Genocide - Samantha Power, Atlantic Monthly, Sept. 2001 |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:16 PM |
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Iraqi death toll over 2 million in two decades - A Muslim point of view |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:23 PM |
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A monstrous tragedy? Yes. Genocide? No. |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:27 PM |
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This genocide could have never happened |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:33 PM |
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So what does the word "Genocide" mean to you? Not talking Iraq, but genocide? |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:38 PM |
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but you started this thread because of mine and |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:41 PM |
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But I started this with the INTENT of discussing the terms, since that is |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:42 PM |
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Please don't tell me to go back to my thread |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:45 PM |
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Just asking to not hijack this thread. Said same upthread to |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:47 PM |
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I'm sorry but I will not back down from him |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:50 PM |
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And then a couple relevant words were left out of poll also. |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:55 PM |
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This has been going on for YEARS here |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:02 PM |
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and I do apologize to you because you have always been civil with me |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:03 PM |
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I'm sorry, but the legal definition of genocide clearly includes intent |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:53 PM |
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Intent in Rwanda was different than Intent in Iraq. |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:34 PM |
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Of course intent matters...intent is the fundamental motivation for genocide. |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:50 PM |
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Now please tell me, for the record WHO was POTUS |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:36 PM |
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You're referring to Bill Clinton, of course |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:51 PM |
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Agreed. Just 'cause it's not genocide... |
SidDithers |
Mar-28-08 02:37 PM |
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Sometimes people use the word to mean "lots and lots of people getting killed" |
gollygee |
Mar-28-08 02:46 PM |
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Which is exactly why the US is NOT committing genocide in Iraq |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:48 PM |
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Because of bush 1 and Clinton and bush 2 there are 2 million dead and |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:50 PM |
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So, to clear up confusion, at least for me, what do you mean when you hear or say "genocide in Iraq" |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 02:52 PM |
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Here are the facts |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 02:58 PM |
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A war crime is not the same thing as a genocide. |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:02 PM |
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not until someone decides there's been enough dead, huh? |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:06 PM |
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It isn't about "enough" or any number |
gollygee |
Mar-28-08 03:08 PM |
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Well said! |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:09 PM |
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Yes. But it's still not a genocide under the legal definition of the crime. |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 02:52 PM |
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so how very cool there's a million dead but it's not genocide YET |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:14 PM |
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how very cool that we can call anything whatever we want |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:17 PM |
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When will you call it genocide? |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:20 PM |
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You're so fixated on numbers...I honestly don't understand that. |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:26 PM |
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Well Iraqi Christians are almost wiped out? |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:35 PM |
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If it's not our intent, then it's mass murder. |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:39 PM |
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How do you know that was not the intent, are you a mind reader? |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:43 PM |
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Are they? |
gollygee |
Mar-28-08 03:46 PM |
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Tell me again who was bush's big supporters in this war? |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:50 PM |
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There are lots of different kinds of tragedies |
gollygee |
Mar-28-08 02:59 PM |
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I am asking for this to be locked for 2 reasons. |
uppityperson |
Mar-28-08 03:02 PM |
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only 20 votes? |
seemslikeadream |
Mar-28-08 03:22 PM |
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20 Votes and 0 Recs even though over 600 Views |
Zywiec |
Mar-28-08 03:31 PM |
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"Mass murder for reasons of power and/or oil" is not genocide BY DEFINITION |
MrCoffee |
Mar-28-08 03:31 PM |
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Locking |
SteppingRazor |
Mar-28-08 03:52 PM |
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