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Response to Reply #77
80. My answer for you is this
My 16-year-old nephew is a sports geek, and so I assume that he stumbled across the WWI image in one of the many sports discussion forums that he frequents -- as I'd be bloody astonished that he made the link between the two, himself. (He's dang smart, but he's not exactly a photography, art or history buff.) I'm still waiting to hear back from him as to exactly how/where he came across it; in the meantime, I've only come across one other website highlighting the WWI poster, causing my curiosity to grow.

I'm not sure how my nephew forwarding the image to me was "convenient", in that he only forwarded the image, sans links, and so I had to do some googling to verify it wasn't some recently manufactured image. And it *was* coincidental, in that it fell out of a separate, unrelated email discussion regarding a (supposedly) satirical piece on LeBron James, in reply to a comment by me:
    3/26 8:45pm - ME: But I was *really* thinking the article was going to be about the Vogue magazine brouhaha, where some are saying it was somehow racially insensitive.


    3/26 10:33pm - NEPHEW: Perhaps related to this WWI propaganda: (image embedded)

    3/26 11:40pm - ME: Wow! That's a lot more plausible than the generic "King Kong" stuff being thrown around in that article. I don't see how they couldn't have been doing a recreation of that poster, given the similarities. Thanks for forwarding, (name removed). Where'd ya find it?


That was the extent of our discussion on the matter. I've no idea what your motivations are for trying to cast my sourcing and publishing of the propaganda image as some malevolent conspiracy, as all I was trying to do was provide background information on the "controversy" that became available to me.

The similarity between the two images makes it obvious to me that the WW I poster was Liebowitz's inspiration for the Vogue cover photo. If you don't see or can't admit that, there's nothing I can do to help.
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  How does this makes you feel? spokane  Mar-26-08 05:33 PM   #0 
   Well, seeing as I am a Pistons' fan  LisaM   Mar-26-08 05:34 PM   #1 
   Nothing.  LWolf   Mar-26-08 05:35 PM   #2 
   Cute couple. NT  fiziwig   Mar-26-08 05:36 PM   #3 
   Why is that fellow yelling when he's got his arm around that pretty lady?  MADem   Mar-26-08 05:38 PM   #4 
   I thought the particular pose seemed peculiar, too. And then I received this image from my nephew..  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 01:31 AM   #24 
   I dunno, I think the idea was to show a passionate athlete and a gorgeous girl together...  El Pinko   Mar-27-08 01:42 AM   #28 
   Did you LOOK at the image to which I linked?  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 01:44 AM   #29 
      Of course I did. Do you have some evidence that the photographer has even seen that pic?  El Pinko   Mar-27-08 02:05 AM   #32 
         Do you mean *other* than the poses being nearly identical to the poster?  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 02:09 AM   #34 
            I think it's coincidental. And I think it's nasty to imply that James resembles a mad gorilla.  El Pinko   Mar-27-08 02:29 AM   #38 
               I am certainly not saying that LeBron resembles a gorilla, and it's nasty to say I did.  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 02:49 AM   #41 
   Yes, it's clearly a take on the poster.  girl gone mad   Mar-27-08 02:16 AM   #36 
   I don't argue regarding the photo itself, absent any knowledge of the propaganda poster.  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 04:01 AM   #46 
   I dunno. LeBron should be carrying a club and pick up Giselle, in that case.  MADem   Mar-27-08 10:11 AM   #49 
      inspiration vs emulation... the cover photo was "inspired" by the propaganda poster....  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 12:58 PM   #74 
         I think the whole controversy is a bit...manufactured. It smells like fake outrage to me.  MADem   Mar-27-08 01:14 PM   #76 
            It's not for me to declare whether someone's outrage is fake or real ...  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 01:45 PM   #78 
               I think everyone is affected by racism, no matter what their skin tone. But I also think that  MADem   Mar-27-08 02:23 PM   #79 
                  sunshine as disinfectant  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 05:21 PM   #81 
   An angry macho guy and a hot lady.  otherlander   Mar-27-08 06:58 PM   #86 
   I left the room this morning and they were screaming about it on the Today  stellanoir   Mar-26-08 05:38 PM   #5 
   yes  angel823   Mar-27-08 11:18 AM   #70 
   NO such thing as bad pub..  Virginia Dare   Mar-27-08 06:08 PM   #84 
   I'm hoping the girl gets out of the way before she gets run down on the court.  polichick   Mar-26-08 05:40 PM   #6 
   That's the sort of thing I was thinking, polichick  jkshaw   Mar-26-08 05:56 PM   #11 
   Go win a championship already, King James.  MrCoffee   Mar-26-08 05:45 PM   #7 
   I recognize LeBron...  ColbertWatcher   Mar-26-08 05:46 PM   #8 
   I your headline needs an additional verb  slackmaster   Mar-26-08 05:48 PM   #9 
   Thanks - Thinking faster than I type n/t  spokane   Mar-26-08 06:14 PM   #15 
   I thinkin' there's no way that girl can check Lebron in the paint*  didact   Mar-26-08 05:49 PM   #10 
   She's got a hell of a post move.  MrCoffee   Mar-26-08 05:57 PM   #12 
   If he is going to play basketball, he needs to tell that girl  murielm99   Mar-26-08 06:07 PM   #13 
   I felt the same way as I did before I saw that picture.  Blue-Jay   Mar-26-08 06:10 PM   #14 
   Ha! I saw this on the Today show.  alstephenson   Mar-26-08 06:21 PM   #16 
   Well, take a look at this, and you tell me.  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 01:33 AM   #25 
   Link to discussion in Editorials  Karenina   Mar-26-08 06:26 PM   #17 
   It only irritates me as it does when I see crap mags like  blues90   Mar-26-08 06:26 PM   #18 
   No way she's going to make a jump shot in those shoes.  GoneOffShore   Mar-26-08 06:28 PM   #19 
   I remember, a long while ago, there was a commercial for ladies' high heeled shoes  MADem   Mar-27-08 10:19 AM   #50 
   Mixed feelings  Warpy   Mar-26-08 07:21 PM   #20 
   I must admit, Warpy  Karenina   Mar-26-08 07:47 PM   #21 
   I'm along that line too  spokane   Mar-26-08 07:59 PM   #22 
   Ok. Now how does THIS make you feel?  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 01:28 AM   #23 
   I see two people "doing what they do best"  Mind_your_head   Mar-27-08 03:22 AM   #42 
   Ok. So you don't think Annie Liebowitz was recreating that WW-I propaganda poster? n/t  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 03:38 AM   #43 
      I dunno......maybe she was. So what? It's an obscure reference even if it was intentional  Mind_your_head   Mar-27-08 03:47 AM   #44 
         So you can't make a definitive statement on the comparison between the two?  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 04:17 AM   #48 
            My question to you is this  spokane   Mar-27-08 01:44 PM   #77 
               My answer for you is this  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 04:42 PM   #80 
   So LeBron is German?  mondo joe   Mar-27-08 10:21 AM   #52 
      snicker  alphafemale   Mar-27-08 11:20 AM   #72 
      That would seem a bit too literal for a work of art, Annie Liebowitz's interpretation ....  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 06:00 PM   #83 
   she somehow reminds me of a contemporary version  bbgrunt   Mar-27-08 01:36 AM   #26 
   That's exceedingly perceptive ...  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 01:50 AM   #30 
   Taking over? Does she look menaced or threatened or unhappy?  mondo joe   Mar-27-08 10:26 AM   #54 
      A trophy?  Echo In Light   Mar-27-08 10:34 AM   #56 
         Wait - which offensive image is this supposed to be again?  mondo joe   Mar-27-08 10:46 AM   #60 
   Nothing much. Don't know why the ball player seems to be shouting at the camera...  El Pinko   Mar-27-08 01:39 AM   #27 
   Re: "why ... shouting at the camera..."  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 02:12 AM   #35 
      So Liebowitz told James "Okay, gimme your best 'mad ape' face. Yes, loving it, FIERCE!"  El Pinko   Mar-27-08 02:31 AM   #40 
         I have no idea what happened on the photo shoot, nor will I speculate on it.  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 03:51 AM   #45 
            Wonder how many copies of this issue they'll sell...  Karenina   Mar-27-08 10:30 AM   #55 
               If nothing else, it may be making some people aware ...  krkaufman   Mar-27-08 11:19 AM   #71 
   Jealous...  cynatnite   Mar-27-08 01:56 AM   #31 
   Don't be.  girl gone mad   Mar-27-08 02:22 AM   #37 
      I always hated being 'voluptuous'....  cynatnite   Mar-27-08 02:30 AM   #39 
   I think it's cute. They look like they were really having fun. But then....  alphafemale   Mar-27-08 02:07 AM   #33 
   makes me feel "ouch" like she just stepped on his toe and he's screaming n/t  orleans   Mar-27-08 04:07 AM   #47 
   It makes me feel like LeBron is hot.  mondo joe   Mar-27-08 10:20 AM   #51 
   Makes me think of where I work: most young white women there prefer black men  Echo In Light   Mar-27-08 10:24 AM   #53 
   Well, the contradiction  Marie26   Mar-27-08 10:39 AM   #57 
   I didn't think anything of it  October   Mar-27-08 10:40 AM   #58 
   LeBron James is in the photo? Where? n/t  Texas Explorer   Mar-27-08 10:45 AM   #59 
   Like I need to run another 5K today....  Aviation Pro   Mar-27-08 10:47 AM   #61 
   She's a little overdressed for a game of 1 on 1.  Bensthename   Mar-27-08 10:47 AM   #62 
   That's a foul! Come on, ref!  DuStrange   Mar-27-08 10:48 AM   #63 
   Personally, I'm offended when people shout at me...  KansDem   Mar-27-08 10:50 AM   #64 
   But it's so "extreme!" ...ly stupid  Echo In Light   Mar-27-08 10:53 AM   #65 
   It make me sick that we live in a society that idolizes athletes  EnviroBat   Mar-27-08 10:55 AM   #66 
   Symbolism: what is represented makes it easy for the few to sell the packaged ideal to the many  Echo In Light   Mar-27-08 11:09 AM   #69 
   A basketball player and a model  magellan   Mar-27-08 10:58 AM   #67 
   Jock itch can be extrreme,,ly painful!  EnviroBat   Mar-27-08 10:58 AM   #68 
   bored.  progressoid   Mar-27-08 12:03 PM   #73 
   I don't see anything racist- I just see a couple of beautiful people  blondie58   Mar-27-08 01:08 PM   #75 
   I saw that on the news stand just the other day. Thought it was kinda  Lorien   Mar-27-08 05:36 PM   #82 
   Bored.  otherlander   Mar-27-08 06:57 PM   #85 
 

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